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brooklynite

(94,527 posts)
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 01:17 PM Apr 2021

Inside Nancy Pelosi's War With AOC and the Squad

Politico

Adapted from Madam Speaker: Nancy Pelosi and the Lessons of Power, to be published by Twelve Books on April 20.

“Nancy doesn’t have much patience for people who don’t know what they don’t know.”

That was what a senior congressional Democrat close to the speaker of the House told me when I asked what Nancy Pelosi really thought of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Pelosi was famous for having what POLITICO once described as “an iron fist in a Gucci glove.” There was no better example of that than her dealings with the Squad, the quartet of progressive women elected in 2018. She hadn’t survived as the top Democrat in the House for nearly two decades by ignoring challenges or challengers. Instead, she applied the lessons she had learned to win them over, or at least keep them at bay.

The relationship between the speaker and AOC, her party’s most charismatic newcomer, is complicated. Colleagues and congressional aides said Pelosi saw the New York congresswoman as a talented person but one who was often naïve about how the institution worked and unrealistic about what could be achieved, and how. She feared the Squad’s demands would imperil hard-won Democratic control — the slim majority that had put Democrats in a position to change the country’s course, but not to win every battle.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/04/15/nancy-pelosi-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-481704


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Inside Nancy Pelosi's War With AOC and the Squad (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2021 OP
Oh please. More Dems in disarray crap. DURHAM D Apr 2021 #1
It is from Susan Page. Enough said....... During the Harris/Pence debate she failed to honor the JohnSJ Apr 2021 #4
Really? ohmygod.. rw Hack! Cha Apr 2021 #23
Hi Cha. Not sure if I would characterize her as a r/w hack, but a lousy moderator for sure JohnSJ Apr 2021 #29
And don't forget the cat fight implications. niyad Apr 2021 #17
Agree! Ocasio-Cortez and company recently said they will work WITH Hortensis Apr 2021 #32
Hey, politico, your sexist bias is showing. Speaker should be capitalized, as should Congresswoman. niyad Apr 2021 #2
It is...I refuse to read their crap!! PortTack Apr 2021 #16
Seems a little hyperbolic... tonedevil Apr 2021 #3
exactly JohnSJ Apr 2021 #5
In contrast, Minority Leader McCarthy is pulling out all stops to defend Matt Gaetz. Midnight Writer Apr 2021 #6
I will never understand why people post this kind of bullshit here. ZZenith Apr 2021 #7
Exactly AnotherMother4Peace Apr 2021 #12
Neither do I. Susan Page is a privileged RW Hack with that plastic permanent smirk msfiddlestix Apr 2021 #24
Pelosi is just mentoring the youngsters tirebiter Apr 2021 #8
Yeah. Sounds like it Autumn Apr 2021 #10
there is no WAR malaise Apr 2021 #9
Right. And "How the House speaker put Rep. Ocasio-Cortez in her place" Hortensis Apr 2021 #26
"Nancy doesn't have much patience for people who don't know what they don't know." FoxNewsSucks Apr 2021 #11
And as your username implies, it's Fox that is tainting CNN and other news outlets. Why anyone BComplex Apr 2021 #20
Fox, and Hate Radio. FoxNewsSucks Apr 2021 #28
I clicked on this because I assumed this was from Politico. I was right. nt chowder66 Apr 2021 #13
AOC sure does bug you, doesn't she? n/t dpibel Apr 2021 #14
Democratic House Speaker Cha Apr 2021 #27
Just to be clear dpibel Apr 2021 #30
Btw, the "Squad" was Trump's name for AOC and colleagues** andym Apr 2021 #15
Actually, AFAIK, The Squad named themselves. Nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2021 #19
AOC put the term "squad" under a group photo, but the right wing media popularized the term andym Apr 2021 #21
Just from your headline I knew this shit article was from politico awesomerwb1 Apr 2021 #18
De-rec, especially for this continuous campaign of yours to push multiple 'Dems in disarray' pieces Celerity Apr 2021 #22
+1 Doc Sportello Apr 2021 #25
Well said dpibel Apr 2021 #31
A peek inside Politico's nerve center? ck4829 Apr 2021 #33

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
1. Oh please. More Dems in disarray crap.
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 01:26 PM
Apr 2021

Meanwhile the press is not paying much attention to the actual disarray with the Repubs and Matt Gaetz.

JohnSJ

(92,187 posts)
4. It is from Susan Page. Enough said....... During the Harris/Pence debate she failed to honor the
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 01:29 PM
Apr 2021

agreed about "mute rules", when Pence kept over talking into VP Harris time


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. Agree! Ocasio-Cortez and company recently said they will work WITH
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 04:28 PM
Apr 2021

the house's "establishment" Progressive Caucus to achieve common goals. Exactly as Pelosi has always advised to maximize their ability to make a difference in congress.

Of course even that suggestion is guaranteed to alarm those seeking to divide the electorate and conquer. Ergo, more of this "war" nonsense. Searching reveals it's party of a major campaign to incite angry division.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
3. Seems a little hyperbolic...
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 01:27 PM
Apr 2021

to call it a war, but I guess a shocking headline is what makes it Politico.

Midnight Writer

(21,753 posts)
6. In contrast, Minority Leader McCarthy is pulling out all stops to defend Matt Gaetz.
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 01:42 PM
Apr 2021

See, they get along just fine on the other side of the aisle.

msfiddlestix

(7,281 posts)
24. Neither do I. Susan Page is a privileged RW Hack with that plastic permanent smirk
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 03:23 PM
Apr 2021

I always want to peal off her face when she's invited to opine. Never ever could stand her.

Don't understand why her opinions and writing is posted here, may as well post F snooze opinions for all it's worth.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. Right. And "How the House speaker put Rep. Ocasio-Cortez in her place"
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 03:32 PM
Apr 2021

is right under the title. Which is her job and that of other house leaders -- forging over 200 representatives all with their own interests into a fighting unit that can win.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
11. "Nancy doesn't have much patience for people who don't know what they don't know."
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 01:58 PM
Apr 2021

Who does have that kind of patience?

From the click-bait title to the obvious shit-stirring, it's the sort of thing Fox watchers drool over. Unfortunately, I just saw the same crap on CNN.

As far as patience and what people don't know, members of "The Squad" don't seem to be the type that would refuse to learn. They may still disagree, but one of the better things Pelosi has done is mentor them.

BComplex

(8,049 posts)
20. And as your username implies, it's Fox that is tainting CNN and other news outlets. Why anyone
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 02:38 PM
Apr 2021

would want to copy failure is beyond me, but somehow I guess they're jealous they aren't as ridiculous as Fox propaganda. You might as well read the National Inquirer as believe anything that is said on Fox. Fox news is primarily responsible for the mess this country is in now.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
28. Fox, and Hate Radio.
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 03:37 PM
Apr 2021

Hate Radio is more widespread, and easily accessible. They've wrecked democracy together.

I guess the others see the ratings and $$$. CNN used to cover the teabag response to Obamas SOTU speeches, and held official Town Halls for the teabaggers. In some ways, they are worse than Fox because they still had a reputation of being actual journalism and respectable, yet aired and sponsored that kind of garbage.

andym

(5,443 posts)
15. Btw, the "Squad" was Trump's name for AOC and colleagues**
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 02:07 PM
Apr 2021

perhaps that term should be retired.

**Actually, as the poster below states, actually a member of the group, created the name when AOC placed the name "squad" under a photo of the 4 members.

Unfortunately, it was the right-wing that then popularized the term.

andym

(5,443 posts)
21. AOC put the term "squad" under a group photo, but the right wing media popularized the term
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 02:39 PM
Apr 2021

So you are correct, BUT it is the right-wing that has run with it.

"Ocasio-Cortez published the picture on Instagram, labeling it "Squad";[8][13] Pressley published the photo on her Instagram story the same day.[10] The next day, they had already attracted negative attention in conservative media, as Laura Ingraham of Fox News called them "the four horsewomen of the apocalypse"."

"After publication, Ocasio-Cortez's Squad photo became a viral phenomenon, and public figures began using "The Squad" to refer collectively to the four women, with prominent examples of usage coming from New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd and White House counselor Kellyanne Conway. "

"On July 14, 2019, President Donald Trump tweeted that the members of the Squad should "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came."

The right wingers use the "Squad" to denigrate the 4 Congress people.

Celerity

(43,344 posts)
22. De-rec, especially for this continuous campaign of yours to push multiple 'Dems in disarray' pieces
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 02:56 PM
Apr 2021

when they attempt to play 'let's you and them fight' games between the further left of the caucus and the leadership.

These postings like this (such as that OP you posted of a RW, disingenuous hit piece from the long-odious, and now clearly RW Newsweek attempting the same thing as this OP) only serve to engender divisiveness, garner clicks, and to fire up the old outrage Wurlitzer (borrowed that phrase from an old post by another DU'er).

This article is mostly rehashing events from 2018 and 2019, which were dealt with and moved on from.

I shall post the end of it (this Politico piece), which serves to somewhat counter the negative framing attempt:

Pelosi was leading a congressional delegation to mark the four hundredth anniversary of the opening of the slave trade to America. There was one seat in the delegation for a freshman member. Nine freshmen were members of the Congressional Black Caucus, and all of them presumably would have been eager to go. “I was like, ‘I’d be honored to go to Ghana.’”

Omar tweeted photos from the trip. One of them showed Omar and Pelosi standing at the Door of No Return on Goree Island, holding hands and smiling.

By the end of the year, Pelosi had set a record for keeping her caucus together, despite its ideological differences. The iron fist in the Gucci glove had managed to hold together a diverse group of politicians who ranged from the 31 members representing districts won by Trump to the four progressives in the Squad who weren’t afraid to be called Democratic socialists.

Democrats recorded the highest level of party unity since CQ Roll Call began tracking the measure in 1956. Pelosi was winning the battle to control the progressives and keep the party together. But she also knew the war was being waged anew every day, with more fights soon to follow.








on a side note....

You had the stones yesterday to imply I was veering into Trumpian territory for simply referring to Afghanistan as a 'forever war'.

Will you say the same thing about President Biden?

Biden: It's time to end the forever war

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/04/14/joe-biden-beau-biden-its-time-to-end-this-forever-war-sot-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

dpibel

(2,831 posts)
31. Well said
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 04:25 PM
Apr 2021

It's interesting, isn't it, that those who cry loudest about purported progressive demands for ideological purity can shout pretty loudly when there might be a challenge to centrist ideological purity?

ck4829

(35,070 posts)
33. A peek inside Politico's nerve center?
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 05:09 PM
Apr 2021

“Alright, let’s talk politics. What are the parties up to?”

“What do you wanna know, boss? We’ve got one party with a conspiracy theorist who thinks mass shootings are done by crisis actors and believes in a Jewish space laser. We’ve got a guy who has sexcapades and wanted a blanket pardon from the last guy. We’ve got guys who fell for satirical articles. We’ve got a guy who has passed no legislation but seems to be in to “own the libs”. We’ve got a guy who lies. We’ve got a guy who thinks charity and putting the toilet paper over instead of under are both examples of “socialism”, and...”

“Wait, and the other party?”

“Well, some people got snippy with some people one time...”

“There’s your story. Call it “civil war”, cut it, run it, print it, call it a weekend. We need to “both sides” this now, people, NOW!”

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