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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 09:32 PM Apr 2021

"No collusion! No collusion! No collusion!"

Well, there was collusion.

We knew it all along.

But today, it was validated by intelligence and the President of the United States.

Everybody knew that Paul Manafort was a snake in the grass and was working with the Russians to help pay off a huge debt that he owed them. No wonder he agreed to work as Trump's campaign manager for nothing. He had other ways of getting paid.

It is now painfully obvious that the FBI did not investigate strongly enough. Neither did the Special Counsel, Robert Mueller. The Russians were messing with our elections and the Trump campaign knew all about it. In fact, they were helping them.

Republican efforts to protect Trump and his traitorous gang do not look so sincere today.

Where does sedition end and treason begin?

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"No collusion! No collusion! No collusion!" (Original Post) kentuck Apr 2021 OP
Maya Angelou. Grasswire2 Apr 2021 #1
I think another famous quote applies: "They are who we thought they were!..." RockRaven Apr 2021 #4
Classic Denny G ... (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Apr 2021 #6
This!👆 SheltieLover Apr 2021 #15
So when will true justice be served ? Beachnutt Apr 2021 #2
Never. SoonerPride Apr 2021 #9
I don't know. fwvinson Apr 2021 #17
Justice will be served by the voters. kentuck Apr 2021 #12
They should begin ASAP. Kath2 Apr 2021 #3
That's the truth right there. FoxNewsSucks Apr 2021 #21
Absolutely! niyad Apr 2021 #23
HRC would not have dumped the global pandemic task Botany Apr 2021 #41
This is old news. It is in the Mueller report and confirmed by stewrat Apr 2021 #5
If you know where that is it would be great if you put up a link. Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #7
It was suspected but it was not known that it reached the highest levels of the Russian government kentuck Apr 2021 #8
They knew the Trump campaign gave the intel to Kilimnik SoonerPride Apr 2021 #10
Correct. kentuck Apr 2021 #11
Yes but what couldnt be confirmed was that Kilimnik gave it to the kremlin Volaris Apr 2021 #20
We've known polling data was given to Ruskies, but other than spreading lies Hoyt Apr 2021 #13
Targeting. The data gave them info on who what and where fwvinson Apr 2021 #18
Maybe, but I don't that was effective in turning someone likely to vote Hoyt Apr 2021 #22
The Mueller investigation was a ruse. spanone Apr 2021 #14
Most of it was redacted but I think you're right. Duppers Apr 2021 #29
donny & rudy colludy best think defecting asap ! wall's closing in & collapsing fast ! monkeyman1 Apr 2021 #16
Never too late for justice. Karadeniz Apr 2021 #19
And equally, if not more, important....when do they end? BobTheSubgenius Apr 2021 #24
Our eyes and ears did Not deceive us. sarcasmo Apr 2021 #25
I think the problem all along was that thre was bo direct collusion with Dumdum Warpy Apr 2021 #26
Before condemning Mueller, can we at least see the unredacted report from Mueller? thenelm1 Apr 2021 #27
Mueller had a chance to say more during Duppers Apr 2021 #30
Fat Donny's overcompensating gave it away Blue Owl Apr 2021 #28
Will the reichwingers ever believe the truth? Duppers Apr 2021 #31
Robert Muller should have never accepted to become an independent council, if he knew Escurumbele Apr 2021 #32
Mueller should be brought before the House Committees malaise Apr 2021 #33
Mueller's Job 1 was to be a good Republican dalton99a Apr 2021 #34
April 2016 bucolic_frolic Apr 2021 #35
Yup and that was when fart faces campaign Tbear Apr 2021 #39
Damn good question and fair in it's simplicity... MiHale Apr 2021 #36
Rachel spent 2 full years spelling it all out Mr. Ected Apr 2021 #37
We pretty much... Snackshack Apr 2021 #38
4th paragraph: Manafort or Trump; Manafort & Trump. Both owing & helping Russians. rickyhall Apr 2021 #40
My question about pardons Curtis Apr 2021 #42
Who knew? Been saying! Told ya! I promise not to rub it in though. (MUCH) czarjak Apr 2021 #43
The Trump cartel The Wizard Apr 2021 #44

RockRaven

(14,959 posts)
4. I think another famous quote applies: "They are who we thought they were!..."
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 09:37 PM
Apr 2021

"... And we let 'em off the hook!"

 

fwvinson

(488 posts)
17. I don't know.
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 10:33 PM
Apr 2021

Trump's crimes are massive. I'm thinking Mr. Biden knows that when Trump and Co. start getting indicted and prosecuted, the whole world turns to that. I'm thinking President Bidden wants to try and get as much as he can get done before that starts. JMO.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
12. Justice will be served by the voters.
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 10:06 PM
Apr 2021

As the Buddha said, "Three things cannot be long hidden, the sun, the moon, and the truth."

Kath2

(3,074 posts)
3. They should begin ASAP.
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 09:37 PM
Apr 2021

Hillary Clinton won that election. And this country would be much better off if she had been inaugurated.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
21. That's the truth right there.
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:05 PM
Apr 2021

I can't believe how so damn many people don't see the tRump years as a brazen preview of what the fascists want to do to us.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
41. HRC would not have dumped the global pandemic task
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:03 PM
Apr 2021

Force, fired the epidemiologist who was in Wuhan, pulled us out of the international task force called PREDICT (they were the black guy's ideas), ignore warnings about the disease as she invested in hydroxycholoroquine and her own C-19 test kit, or ship 18 tons of PPE to China which killed many people.

The virus in all likelihood would have been stopped in China.

BTW it was not just polling data but data analytics that allowed Russia to microtarget their rat fucking of our election in 2026. Every time Trump and company say "fake news" they were lying. The Trump/Russia connections were very real.

stewrat

(50 posts)
5. This is old news. It is in the Mueller report and confirmed by
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 09:39 PM
Apr 2021

The senate intelligence back in 8/20. Manafort and Gates admitted to give kilimnick. I think it's on pages 88 of the report.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
8. It was suspected but it was not known that it reached the highest levels of the Russian government
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 09:56 PM
Apr 2021

...until now.

That is why President Biden imposed the sanctions today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/15/us/politics/russian-intelligence-trump-campaign.html

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
10. They knew the Trump campaign gave the intel to Kilimnik
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 09:59 PM
Apr 2021

But they had not stated publicly that they knew Kilimnik gave that microtargeted data analytics to Russian intelligence.

That was new today.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
20. Yes but what couldnt be confirmed was that Kilimnik gave it to the kremlin
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 10:50 PM
Apr 2021

Which was confirmed in a federal document released today.

I mean, were not stupid around here, we knew (meaning guessed correctly) full-well wtf he was gonna do with it once Manafort passed it to him... but the admission by the feds today that we were right is a slightly different matter.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
13. We've known polling data was given to Ruskies, but other than spreading lies
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 10:14 PM
Apr 2021

that enough voters already believed, or wanted to believe, what good did that data do to defeat Clinton.

BTW, I’m fine with sanctioning Russia. Don’t believe it will change anything, though.

 

fwvinson

(488 posts)
18. Targeting. The data gave them info on who what and where
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 10:37 PM
Apr 2021

the disinformation will be the most effective. That's, for one thing.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
22. Maybe, but I don't that was effective in turning someone likely to vote
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:05 PM
Apr 2021

for Clinton. Sure didn’t impact me or anyone I know.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
29. Most of it was redacted but I think you're right.
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 12:30 AM
Apr 2021

And Mueller himself c.y.a.'d it by refusing to give full facts in his testimony to Congress. That was disgusting.

Do we yet know what is in the full report? The Buzzfed's lawsuit did not get the full totally unredacted report.

I'll never cease to despise Robert (R - coward) Mueller.


 

monkeyman1

(5,109 posts)
16. donny & rudy colludy best think defecting asap ! wall's closing in & collapsing fast !
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 10:26 PM
Apr 2021

treason & sedition looking pretty good for Leavenworth by the day!!!

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
24. And equally, if not more, important....when do they end?
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:21 PM
Apr 2021

You think some of them aren't still in touch with their handlers? Still giving and getting what information they can?

Warpy

(111,249 posts)
26. I think the problem all along was that thre was bo direct collusion with Dumdum
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:36 PM
Apr 2021

because, as Mueller pointed out, he was too stupid, too ignorant, too pigheaded, and too damaged to be an active participant.

It was always Flynn and Manafort and Stone and a few others, but they weren't looking for those guys, they were the hired help.

The outcome would be the same, all would be pardoned before Dumdum left office.

thenelm1

(852 posts)
27. Before condemning Mueller, can we at least see the unredacted report from Mueller?
Thu Apr 15, 2021, 11:38 PM
Apr 2021

Before Barr got his mitts on it and removed anything meaningful?

Can we at least do that? Who knows what skullduggery he had removed.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
30. Mueller had a chance to say more during
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 12:38 AM
Apr 2021

his testimony to Congress but he didn't - he just c.y.a.'d it.

Yes, we needed the fully unredacted report.


Blue Owl

(50,351 posts)
28. Fat Donny's overcompensating gave it away
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 12:23 AM
Apr 2021

The “witch hunt,” the tweets, the excessive gloating when his stooges proclaimed him “innocent”

Escurumbele

(3,389 posts)
32. Robert Muller should have never accepted to become an independent council, if he knew
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 11:19 AM
Apr 2021

he would not follow through 100%, or that he would have his hands tied by Rosenberg, all he gained from it was to tarnish his reputation. Unless of course he accepted to make sure nothing would come out of it.

It is amazing how some people, having the chance of their lives to do something amazing, decide instead to leave a legacy that maybe scholars in the future may define it as treasonous acts. I am not saying Muller is a traitor, but his lack of wanting to discover and present the facts is so suspicious because of the outcome, because of the decision to do half the work while dismissing the chance to do investigations that were so badly needed.

If he was not allowed to do the full work than he should have quit, he should have given reasons why he quit and let the country know there were forces derailing his investigation.

Another character who could have changed history is Collin Powel, what an opportunity he had on his hands but decided to throw his principles away instead.

Very sad characters.

bucolic_frolic

(43,137 posts)
35. April 2016
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 11:52 AM
Apr 2021

The topic of Russia was dragged into the campaign, as I recall, when Manafort was hired. Anyone who let that drift by was brain dead. With all the consultants we have in America, why do we need an American who's been consulting in Eastern Europe?

By July, Russia was "listening" as Trump told us. Same deal.

Just my take on it, but sedition is when you rabble rouse to the point of overthrowing the government. Treason begins when you sell out your country to its enemies.

Tbear

(487 posts)
39. Yup and that was when fart faces campaign
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 01:01 PM
Apr 2021

took off. Changed campaign manager, brought in KellyAnne Conway. And the Mercers Cambridge Analytica began in earnest.
Any DUer knows this. Why it’s taking our government so long to bring this to light I can only attribute to the insidiousness of the former administrations obstruction.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
37. Rachel spent 2 full years spelling it all out
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 12:10 PM
Apr 2021

Her research was impeccable and her delivery and analysis flawless.

If we can't exact justice from those who would willingly forfeit our democracy for unmitigated power in a fascist state, then we're too weak to deserve said democracy and our fate is sealed.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
38. We pretty much...
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 12:46 PM
Apr 2021

Knew this already but now that there is “show me” proof The United States of America needs todo something about it. These people stole an election, installed a man who fleeced our treasury, obstructed justice at least 10x, lied about a Pandemic and killed 577,000+ Americans then tried to overthrow our Democracy when he was unable to steal it again.

He is still free living on his golf course...playing everyday. Not one person has been held accountable for this. A couple went to jail but that was for lying to authorities not for collusion with a hostile foreign power or half million dead or coup attempt.

577,000+ AMERICANS DIED

America must respond to this.

Curtis

(348 posts)
42. My question about pardons
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 06:29 PM
Apr 2021

Since people like Stone, Gates and others receive pardons from Trump over sentencing that has to do with these matters and Trump was impeached over these matters, can his pardons not be deem invalid because they involved "cases of impeachment"?

he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment"

The Wizard

(12,542 posts)
44. The Trump cartel
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 09:12 PM
Apr 2021

did more damage to us than bin Laden. Should Trump and his gang get the bin Laden prosecution?

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