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I'm not a gun person. I was in the Army and shot several weapons and got my marksmanship badge and all, but otherwise I have no interest in them. Which brings up a question.
I have an old-time friend who's been into guns and target-shooting (and hunting, many years ago) for well over forty years. Now he has a collection of rifles and handguns stored in a safe. Let's just say he is with the camp that believes Uncle Sam may come over someday to take his weapons and wants to be ready to defend himself. Thus the weapons and lots of ammo.
But he lives in a free-standing, two-story house with windows on three sides. Even if his wife were to get in on the action, which is doubtful, they could only defend one or two positions at a time. So what, I've asked myself several times, is he thinking? I avoid talking with him about politics to avoid a shouting match, but one of these days I would really like to figure out how that computes.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,349 posts)but I'm at a loss trying to figure out the mindset of such people.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)that appeared to cost much more than the beat-up pickup truck he carried himself and the gun in.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)for hunting, even protection, at HOME. Public toting should be banned.
Owning a bunch of gunz should be banned. Until banned, private sales should require background checks through a licensed dealer.
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)As if anyone is going to hold off the military with their pea shooters.
Let's play cowboy.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,349 posts)The Military wouldn't be needed for a civilian law enforcement operation, the civilian police can handle such a situation.
A SWAT team would make short work of them.
Aristus
(66,310 posts)They're just convinced that the evil government is going to send combat troops against them someday, and they want to be all Ramboed up when it happens.
I don't have the heart, or the patience, to tell them that one burst of coaxial machine-gun fire from the tank I used to crew in the Army, or a single cannister round from the main gun, will make short work of them and their precious home arsenals.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,349 posts)would make short work of them.
Claire Oh Nette
(2,636 posts)"the evil government is going to send combat troops against them someday, and they want to be all Ramboed up"
They just want to defend their families.
Oh FFS...
From the Government.
The Federal Government.
47 year old out of shape, doughy, body by Budweiser, former offensive tackle in high school, weekend warrior target practice and Call of Duty champion with a bad back and trick knee is going to hold of the United States Army with his AR-15.
Uh-huh.
Drones. In this fantasy hypothetical where some guy from St. Charles, MO, or Ft. Dodge IA, or Waynesville, NC really is such a threat the US government has to take him out, the military would have a drone up that guy's ass before he had time to piss his pants. Too much Rambo, Red Dawn, Hollywood bullshit.
Of course, if it's not The Govmint coming after them, it's the roving hoards of marauding thugs and caravans of MS-13 gang bangers who are coming to break in to their homes and hold their families hostage.
Uh-huh.
Economic and political refugees from Guatemala want YOUR house in Bristol, Tenneginia and everything in it, because that's the American Ideal they won't work for but want to take? Or you there in Wawatosa, WI, the Norteños y Sureños are taking over your house and neighborhood, and once your soccer mom wife and bratty kids are no longer a threat to el jefe, they can finally have their criminal empire? You? They're all coming after you, because you have it all, and they covet the things you have?
Uh-huh.
Makes perfect sense now. You should have more guns, clearly.
Grew up in Southeast LA, lil white neighborhood nestled among Lynwood and Compton, and South Central and the East LA Barrio. Not a gun person. My dad took my brothers and me to the Jaycees for some sort of BB gun training when I was maybe 7. Never had a gun. Never wanted one. Never felt the need to keep one handy "just in case." Never once, in any of the running around there or later in the Bay Area, did I find myself in a sketchy situation and think to myself, "Dag! If I only had a Glock!" My students who faced very real gang pressures in Monterey and Santa Clara Co. told me "no one's going after white people like you, Miz O. YOu're not a banger." Street gangs war with other street gangs over territory and the cycle of vengeance, not random people minding their own business.
Defense against mythical urban legends? Inflated self importance? Inability to distinguish fantasy from reality? Burning desire to be able to shoot someone? All of the above?
Apropos of home defense, if I had to have a firearm to protect my castle, then I think I'd have a shot gun. Don't have to be accurate. Again, the odds of an armed delinquent with malicious intent bypassing a dozen homes on the street leading into my development, with just the one way in and out, passing up the first two streets to come up the hill to the end of my cul de sac to burgle is fairly small.
I'll take my chances with a 9 iron.
They are terrified of everything, and most afraid of change. They opt for guns to feel brave and powerful while they shop at Target and buy things they're afraid people will steal and pretend they aren't pissing in their pants at every shift in the wind.
Not going to read about innovation and change. I'll just shoot it.
RKP5637
(67,102 posts)hold off a serious invasion by Uncle Sam is truly laughable. It would be a suicide mission.
TwilightZone
(25,456 posts)They think their handguns and rifles will protect them the entire US military, should it come to that.
It's probably a form of mental illness. I don't say that to be glib. I think it takes some detachment from reality to believe that even a massive stockpile of personal arms is going to matter against a tank or a cruise missile. Or even "just" a SWAT team.
rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)It's like a cigarette addict claiming he'll hold off such an invasion with his second-hand smoke. It's just a dishonest excuse.
BoringUsername
(142 posts)I went to one of his shows back in 2019. He's awesome! 😀
Ka-Dinh Oy
(11,686 posts)into your house shooting when your guns are locked in a safe somewhere. Some of these people are to stupid to just try to run to safety and/or negotiate.
It is shameful you know to not stay and fight and show em intruders who's da boss.
snowybirdie
(5,222 posts)and gun nut. When Obama was president, he stashed thousands of rounds in his basement because the Dems were going to stop the sale of ammo. Today his widow is trying to get rid of it all. Should have used that money to live a little while he could, methinks.
hunter
(38,309 posts)grumpyduck
(6,231 posts)sop
(10,146 posts)I've had a couple of friends who collected firearms over the years. One collected Colt SSA (single action army, think of six shooters in westerns) revolvers and other rare military pistols, like german Lugers. The other liked fine bolt-action hunting rifles and double-barrelled field shotguns. They loved the history and fine craftsmanship of these firearms.
It seems like the types who own arsenals of AR-15s, Glocks and other semi-automatic weapons, with lots of related tactical gear, are the ones people need to worry about.
grumpyduck
(6,231 posts)He collected firearms as a hobby, for their workmanship and historical interest. He got rid of most of those and now has "weapons."
Hawker123
(74 posts)Mostly bolt action actual military spec weapons. I like shooting them at paper plates.
LakeArenal
(28,813 posts)Really.
There are way more gun owners that are responsible than there are irresponsible.
Mr Lakes family had many guns. The loved to hunt. Like many things we like at youth, the thrill wanes as years go by.
My dad had a couple guns. He liked skeet shooting.
Old ones die, younger ones inherit the guns. Nobody hunts anymore. No one shoots clay pigeons. The guns are just there. Some times they are pulled out to clean and they reminisce because they have fond memories of those guns.
When we decide to move to Costa Rica, Mr Lake had to sell his guns. Costa Rica is very restrictive about guns. He was actually surprised.... He had 9 guns. Had never really thought about them as something to catalogue. (Sold to reputable gun dealers)
The were also more valuable than he thought
The guns are gone. He doesnt miss them. Thinks AR-15s should be banned. That guns should be harder to get than they are. Records kept for munitions sales as well.
Feels like he has zip in common with nutjobs that murder kids.
To me thats a typical gun owner to me. Just regular responsible people. Its about the same as what you think a patriot is and what a Proud Boy thinks patriotism is.
Paladin
(28,246 posts)Bev54
(10,045 posts)filthy rich so they don't want the rich to pay taxes. They bought into the bullshit and live in some fantasy world.
nuxvomica
(12,419 posts)Just being in possession of the magical item confers some sense of virtue or protection.
PSPS
(13,588 posts)WarGamer
(12,426 posts)Those who own many guns, most are never or rarely fired.
onethatcares
(16,165 posts)40 fishing rods and 687 lures, I'd be called a hoarder, not a collector. Just sayin'
WarGamer
(12,426 posts)In my teens I'd sign up for the outdoorsman mail order catalogs and order lures.
LOVED lures, had hundreds. And the quality back in the day... hand painted, they were awesome.
onethatcares
(16,165 posts)were the combination sets advertised on the inner back cover of True Detective or some such magazine my dad had.
I got the three rods, a baitcast reel, a state of the art spinning reel, and a closed face spinning reel, along with a tackle box full of tackle and black nylon line for $12.95. Man, those were the days.
I ordered a VibraBat lure collection from the same pages and I got three different sizes. I tied the largest one on the baitcaster, threw it out on a lake as far as I could and began cranking. I got the biggest hit on it. It even broke the 15lb test nylon line and took my VibraBat.
Never got another hit on the other two.
For years I did remodeling on mobile homes in floriduh. I'd see the tackle boxes left in a widows shed and tell her I'd give her a discount for the rods, reels, tackle boxes, and all the paraphenalia. Usually they'd just say, "get it out of my way, I'm tired of tripping over it".
My wife gets to repeat that when I go.
WarGamer
(12,426 posts)onethatcares
(16,165 posts)says he can use his firearms (I call them weapons) to feed his family if the SHTF. What cracks me up is his wife couldn't take living without air conditioning, pedicures, and dinners out. No way she's eating rabbit and unrefridgerated meats 5 nights a week.
BoringUsername
(142 posts)They are just in love with their chosen ideology and aren't willing to think about whether or not it makes sense. That's why you can't talk these people out of it.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)I'm sure the answer he provides will be of greater value to you and your friendship than the opinions of internet strangers. Best of luck to you!