What About Justice For The People Shot Every Day By Non Cops?

[DanieRains]

Our problem is a lot larger than just cops.

Sorry.

I feel someone needs to say it.

[Demsrule86]

1. Right wing talking points and you should delete.

[left-of-center2012]

3. Why is it a right wing talking point?

We need to talk about gun violence.

2020 was the deadliest gun violence year in decades

“In 2020, gun violence killed nearly 20,000 Americans, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive, more than any other year in at least two decades.
The vast majority of these tragedies happen far from the glare of the national spotlight ...”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/23/2020-shootings/

[AZProgressive]

4. People can talk about gun violence in mass shooting threads

People can talk about policing in police threads or they can do both. It isn't just police shootings but the entire criminal justice system is a very important issue to me. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world.

[left-of-center2012]

8. You may have missed the point of the OP ?

The OP here is not about policing or police shootings

“What About Justice For The People Shot Every Day By Non Cops?”

[AZProgressive]

12. Our problems are a lot larger than cops

I don't start threads saying this issue is less important while my pet issue is more important.

I made posts in mass shooting threads and I have had a position on gun violence for a long time.

[left-of-center2012]

13. OK

Guess I miss your point in this thread.

I'll leave it at that. Not going to do a 'back-and-forth' thingy.

[Demsrule86]

9. Cop shootings are not the same. And this is an example of but what aboutism...

Something you would hear on Fox news. They try to change the subject and justify cop murder of Black or Brown people by bringing up gang shootings in Chicago for example. Right wing BS that seeks to justify cop murderers.

[StarfishSaver]

16. Thank you

[AZProgressive]

2. I support gun control too

Non cops don't have qualified immunity though.

Racial disparity in police shootings unchanged over 5 years


Over the past five years there has been no reduction in the racial disparity in fatal police shooting victims despite increased use of body cameras and closer media scrutiny, according to a new report by researchers at Yale and the University of Pennsylvania.

Using information from a national database compiled and maintained by The Washington Post, researchers found that victims identifying as Black, Indigenous, or People of Color (BIPOC), whether armed or unarmed, had significantly higher death rates compared with whites. And those numbers remained relatively unchanged from 2015 to May 2020. The report appears in the Oct. 27 edition of the Journal of Epidemiology and Public Health.

While the data are already publicly available, the researchers decided to enter it into the scientific literature and present it using methods that are accepted by science as rigorous and robust. It’s critical, said author Dowin Boatright, assistant professor of emergency medicine at Yale, that fatal police shootings of BIPOC are recognized and treated as a public health emergency.

In an analysis of 4,653 fatal shootings for which information about both race and age were available, the researchers found a small but statistically significant decline in white deaths (about 1%) but no significant change in deaths for BIPOC. There were 5,367 fatal police shootings during that five-year period, according to the Post’s database. In the case of armed victims, Native Americans were killed by police at a rate three times that of white people (77 total killed). Black people were killed at 2.6 times the rate of white people (1,265 total killed); and Hispanics were killed at nearly 1.3 times the rate of white people (889 total killed). Among unarmed victims, Black people were killed at three times the rate (218 total killed), and Hispanics at 1.45 times the rate of white people (146 total killed).

https://news.yale.edu/2020/10/27/racial-disparity-police-shootings-unchanged-over-5-years

[DanieRains]

5. America Has 20,000 Gangs And 1,000,000 Gang Members Lots Of People Not Being Shot By Cops

I am the most anti-right-wing person here.

Cops killing unarmed people of any color is an outrage.

I just want to see the outrage of the killing of all the thousands of innocent (or others) besides the ones cops kill.

Just trying to apply a little perspective.

Gangs = Suck

I don't think enough is being done.

I remember 20 years ago Jesse Jackson said for a lot of folks jail is a step up.

This is what needs to change, along with the other murders / shootings.

It's not just about cops. Sorry.

[AZProgressive]

6. It isn't just shootings

There are disparities in stops, arrests, convictions, and sentences. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world plus we have a pandemic going on.

U.N. Calls For Countries To Reduce Prison Populations


The U.N. is calling for countries to reduce the number of people in detention, saying that "physical distancing and self-isolation in such conditions are practically impossible."

(Snip)

Other countries, such as Iran, have reportedly freed thousands of prisoners. Brazil, among others, has seen mass jailbreaks. At a large prison in Bogotá, Colombia, at least 23 people died amid an alleged breakout attempt.

"It is vital that governments should address the situation of detained people in their crisis planning to protect detainees, staff, visitors and of course wider society," Bachelet says.

She adds: "With outbreaks of the disease, and an increasing number of deaths, already reported in prisons and other institutions in an expanding number of countries, authorities should act now to prevent further loss of life among detainees and staff."

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/25/821417365/u-n-calls-for-countries-to-reduce-prison-populations

[DanieRains]

7. I Absolutely Agree Except For One Thing I Am A Business Owner And People Steal From Me Constantly

There is mass racial disparity in policing, and that absolutely needs to stop. I am for one for reparations big time. Many people are poor and desperate because of their exploitation, and lack of true freedom for generations. And generations. And generations.

But I am constantly a victim of crime. The people stealing from me need to go to jail. Sorry.

The people who steal my stuff seem to be more white than minority I have noticed over the years.

There are a lot of people who choose crime as a way to make a living. That makes me a victim because I own a business.

I am a perpetual crime victim, so I have a different perspective.

I don't have many answers but a lot of people in jail belong there.

If they want to stop going to jail, and stop doing crime, we need to do all we can to help them.

If not, lock them up.

Sorry.

The point of this op is the fact that thousands are being shot by all kinds of people who aren't police, and we need equal outrage for them too. I do all I can to be fair to everyone, and accept my privilege, but things need to be put into perspective sometimes.

[AZProgressive]

11. I have been a victim of crime but the police has never been helpful

Do people even know what a jail or prison is like? The higher the security the worse it is. There is self-segregation and they are basically gangs and guards let this happen. The head of each will handle disputes. There is a logic you have to follow. If someone tests you have to strike them or others will look at as a sign of weakness if you don't do anything and it gets a lot worse from there. Don't collect gambling debts or any sort of debts, there is a prison economy. Violence will happen where guards aren't watching. Sometimes you will get checked if you violate one of the unwritten rules. You will also learn tips from other inmates on how to commit crimes. Most people are locked up with non-violent crimes.

I have a different perspective as someone with a 100% service connected disability.

People with Untreated Mental Illness 16 Times More Likely to Be Killed By Law Enforcement

https://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/key-issues/criminalization-of-mental-illness/2976-people-with-untreated-mental-illness-16-times-more-likely-to-be-killed-by-law-enforcement-

I will pick 2 issues to focus on. Voting rights because Arizona has 23 voter suppression bills and abolishing the PIC.

I have a position on 1000 different issues and as far as gun homicides I support gun control.

[Demsrule86]

10. Really, I heard basically the same thing on Fox.

[Aristus]

14. Ah, the old "You caring about this issue means

you don’t care about THIS issue, doesn’t it?!?” gambit...

*yawn*

[StarfishSaver]

15. Police shootings and other forms of police abuse are a separate and larger problem

The "non-cops" you're talking about aren't an arm of the government and don't have the force of law and society behind them. When they commit violent crimes, we have a robust justice system set up to deal with them - they are investigated, arrested, prosecuted, convicted and jailed. They don't have qualified immunity from prosecution and they don't have the most powerful people in government lined up to defend and protect them and they don't have huge swaths of society eager to jump up to insist their crimes were justified because their victims did something wrong and brought on their own deaths.

And you may feel that "someone needs to say it," but you seem not to have noticed that lots of someones say it loudly and often and usually do it whenever they think the country might be willing to do something about police brutality against people of color. It's a classic distraction that you seem all too willing to engage in.