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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 11:03 PM Apr 2021

Federal Judge Warns Trump May Be Held Liable For January 6 Insurrection

https://www.nationalmemo.com/trump-capitol-riot-


Federal Judge Warns Trump May Be Held Liable For January 6 Insurrection
Cody Fenwick
April 17 | 2021
Reprinted with permission from Alternet


In a ruling on Wednesday in the case of one of the accused Capitol rioters, U.S. Judge Emmett Sullivan offered a provocative aside about former President Donald Trump's role in the attack.

Sullivan ruled that Jeffrey Sabol of Colorado is too dangerous and too much of a flight risk to be released prior to his trial. Sabol is accused of beating a cop during the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, which sought to prevent Congress from officially counting the Electoral College votes that made Joe Biden president.

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Then, in a section of the ruling flagged by journalist Marcy Wheeler, Sullivan indicated he believes Trump and his allies may have significant legal exposure for their roles.

"To be sure, to what extent President Trump's words and actions led to the violent and shocking storming of the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021 is an important question, and one that could still have legal consequences for the former President and his prominent supporters," Sullivan wrote, citing a civil lawsuit against the former president. "But President Trump's culpability is not before this Court."


He continued, noting that Trump's own role in spurring the attack would not exonerate Sabol:

To the extent Mr. Sabol raises this issue to suggest he has a complete defense to the criminal charges he faces based on President Trump ostensibly or actually giving the rioters permission to use violence to interfere with the peaceful transition of power, that argument fails for the reasons clearly and thoughtfully articulated by Chief Judge Howell ... Indeed, "even if former President Trump in fact . . . 'told the assembled rabble what they must do' (i.e., attack the Capitol and disrupt the certification of the electoral vote count) and 'ratified their actions,' . . . he acted 'beyond [his] power' as President, . . . and his statements would not immunize defendants charged with offenses arising from the January 6 assault on the Capitol from criminal liability."


While the judge's remarks on their own don't have any legal significance for the former president, they're a useful reminder of a fact that is far too quickly being swept under the rug. The former president had a clear role in the most direct attack on American democracy in memory, and he has not yet been held legally responsible for it. Many others who believed his lies about the election, on the other hand, are suffering dearly. And while there's been significant attention paid to the ongoing investigations of Trump in New York and Georgia, his most egregious violations took place in the American capital.
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Federal Judge Warns Trump May Be Held Liable For January 6 Insurrection (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2021 OP
Best news I've heard all samplegirl Apr 2021 #1
Ladies and Gentlemen...Judge Emmett Sullivan Leghorn21 Apr 2021 #2
LOCK HIS FAT ORANGE ASS UP!!! Enter stage left Apr 2021 #3
Thank you Judge Sullivan FakeNoose Apr 2021 #4
I love Judge Sullivan! summer_in_TX Apr 2021 #5
I'm with you! Karadeniz Apr 2021 #6
Kick dalton99a Apr 2021 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author monkeyman1 Apr 2021 #8
I know someone else named Monkeyman. Grasswire2 Apr 2021 #10
No he won't progressoid Apr 2021 #9
Anyone who hasn't seen it should watch the Vice Video. littlemissmartypants Apr 2021 #11
I am only 18 mins in and had to stop it to reply alittlelark Apr 2021 #16
Have you reach the part where they are on the risers? littlemissmartypants Apr 2021 #19
I just finished watching - I am trying to pull myself back together. alittlelark Apr 2021 #20
I totally agree! What did you think about the expanse of the crowd? littlemissmartypants Apr 2021 #22
If EarlG hasn't seen it he should. alittlelark Apr 2021 #23
Ok, thanks. ❤ littlemissmartypants Apr 2021 #24
I love Judge Emmett Sullivan Hekate Apr 2021 #12
I would dearly love for trump to go to prison for his crimes. George McGovern Apr 2021 #13
I wish but don't believe a word of it. Kablooie Apr 2021 #14
Why is that? triron Apr 2021 #18
If only ... burrowowl Apr 2021 #15
Lock him the fuck up! malaise Apr 2021 #17
Call me when this gets some traction Arthur_Frain Apr 2021 #21
k&r BSdetect Apr 2021 #25

Enter stage left

(3,395 posts)
3. LOCK HIS FAT ORANGE ASS UP!!!
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 11:20 PM
Apr 2021

He should not have 1 more day of freedom.

NOT ONE MORE DAY.

Fucking insurrectionist traitor.

LOCK HIM UP!

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
16. I am only 18 mins in and had to stop it to reply
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 12:19 PM
Apr 2021

It is mesmerizing, disturbing, and NOTHING but actual FACTS in picture form. Clips of real events in real time put together brilliantly.

littlemissmartypants

(22,632 posts)
19. Have you reach the part where they are on the risers?
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 12:26 PM
Apr 2021

Make sure you watch it in its entirety. The moment he pans out so you can see the expanse of the crowd is chilling.

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
20. I just finished watching - I am trying to pull myself back together.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 12:53 PM
Apr 2021

EVERYONE in the country needs to watch that.

No blood or gore or propaganda - just FACTS.

littlemissmartypants

(22,632 posts)
22. I totally agree! What did you think about the expanse of the crowd?
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 01:12 PM
Apr 2021

What do you think about me posting it in the Multimedia Group?

Is there anywhere else here I could post it to give it some attention.

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
23. If EarlG hasn't seen it he should.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 01:19 PM
Apr 2021

I would post it in multimedia and GD every day. Soooo much info is posted on DU daily that DIAMONDS get passed over.

George McGovern

(5,420 posts)
13. I would dearly love for trump to go to prison for his crimes.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 01:37 AM
Apr 2021

In particular for his role in the fake pandemic - the cause of so so much needless death and family agony. Though that might not be able to take to court.

To be sure, serious jail time would not undo what he has done, but for once in his existence he'd be held RESPONSIBLE for his actions!

Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
14. I wish but don't believe a word of it.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 01:52 AM
Apr 2021

It's wishful thinking.
Trump will never be held legally responsible for the insurrection.
It is too hot a political potato for the government to pursue.
If you're a Republican president you can do anything you want without fear of consequences.

A Democratic president will always have to watch his p's and q's though.

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