17-year-old girl shot to death Thursday in Little Village

[sarisataka]

17-year-old girl shot to death Thursday in Little Village

A 17-year-old girl was shot and killed Thursday night in the city’s Little Village neighborhood.

The shooting happened at 7:45 p.m. on the 4100 block of West 25th Place on Thursday. The teen, identified as Lydia Jimenez, was a passenger in a vehicle when shots were fired and she got hit in the head.

The girl was taken to Mt. Sinai Hospital in critical condition and was later pronounced dead.

The driver of the car was not injured.

No one is in custody as police are still investigating. If you have any information, you can leave an anonymous tip at cpdtip.com.

https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/17-year-old-girl-fatally-shot-on-south-side/

There will be no protests over this girl's death.

There will be no "Justice for Lydia" movement.

No one will march chanting "Say Her Name". We will probably never hear her mentioned in the news again.

[Hawker123]

1. So sad 😥

I hope they find the asshole that shot her.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. I wonder if we're at a point where two movements, for lack of a better word, have an opportunity

to converge.

When a community speaks out against random gun violence (as opposed to proximal gun violence), the response is often calls for more policing (more patrols in poor or otherwise marginalized neighborhoods, more laws across the population, more "mental health" initiatives" that rely on carceral solutions). But increasing police presence increases police violence as cops try to prevent that which they ultimately do themselves.

As someone who has been very much on my bullshit talking cop abolitionism here on DU, I feel strongly that the opportunity for investment in communities that abolition would provide would also help reduce gun violence *without* policing/carceral outcomes. I haven't had a chance to think this through much but I feel like there's a lot of common ground there that could be plowed.

[ProfessorGAC]

3. Wishing That Happens

Not optimistic though.
But, if it happens and it improves things, even incrementally, I'll gladly have been wrong.

[WarGamer]

4. Start with mandatory 10 year sentences for felon w/firearm.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

8. It's like you didn't even read my post.

[WarGamer]

16. You mention options that MAY reduce gun violence over the decades.

Let's start by throwing violent criminals with guns in prison.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

17. It's not clear that reduces violence.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/10/14/politicians-still-say-longer-prison-sentences-prevent-gun-violence-but-do-they

The laws are referred to as gun “add-ons” or sentence “enhancements.” They require judges to increase a defendant’s prison term if he or she had a gun at the time of committing a crime such as robbery or drug dealing, even if no shots were fired, and sometimes even if the gun was not at the scene of the crime. In one infamous case, Weldon Angelos was caught selling marijuana to Salt Lake City police informants while possessing guns (there are conflicting accounts as to whether a gun was on his body at the time of the sales). He was convicted of three counts of drug trafficking while possessing a firearm, and sentenced, under mandatory gun minimums, to 55 years in prison. U.S. District Court Judge Paul Cassell, who presided over the case, called the required sentence “unjust, cruel, and even irrational.”

(snip)

But social science is divided on whether gun add-ons actually deter or prevent violence in the real world. A 2010 study conducted by David Abrams, an economist on the faculty of the University of Pennsylvania Law School, found that in the first three years after gun enhancements were enacted in 30 states, gun robberies declined by approximately five percent on average, and robberies without guns declined by 3 percent. The crime reduction was not likely due to increased policing, Abrams said, because each of the jurisdictions he studied pursued different policing strategies. And because such laws were not only introduced when crime was high, he doubts whether the effect was due to crime rates decreasing even if the add-ons had never been implemented.

And also:
https://www.chicagoreporter.com/locking-up-more-people-is-not-the-solution-to-gun-violence/

Tougher sentencing is not new, and the evidence shows it hasn’t worked.

Since 2000, Illinois has increased its penalties for gun offenses six times (including establishing, then increasing, mandatory minimums) and now has some of the harshest punishment in the nation. The number of weapons offenders in Illinois prisons is three times higher than in 2000.

Over most of that time, homicide rates generally fell, but no faster here in Illinois than in states where probation is still an option for gun offenders. In Chicago, homicide rates are spiking dramatically.

Locking more people up on gun possession charges is not the answer, according to a recent report on “Building a Safe Chicago.” The report is from a broad coalition of criminal justice and anti-violence groups, including groups focused on neighborhood safety and handgun violence.

[ripcord]

27. If they aren't on the streets people are safer

Most gun crimes are plea bargained down to non gun crimes, the place to start is to allow no plea bargains on gun crimes.

[cinematicdiversions]

11. We have reduced policing in many minority communities.

And unfortunately there is a pile of dead bodies that dwarf the number killed by police. If you want to kill young black men and women, reduce the police presence seems to be a go to choice.

All Americans deserve a safe place to live, devoid of both crime and criminals. Creating two classes where whites live in safe policed areas and blacks do not, sounds like a solution for nothing but more poverty and death for blacks.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

14. I said abolish, not reduce.

In an abolitionist model, the resources that go toward the cops are instead used to build a community that is a safe place to live.

[Humanist_Activist]

23. Don't make dubious claims, unless you can back them up...

at best the data is mixed.

https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/live-trials-current/george-floyd-death/kamala-harris-dismisses-notion-that-hiring-more-cops-results-in-safer-communities-heres-what-the-studies-say/

[Aristus]

5. The Republicans will no doubt insist she was shot by an 8 year-old man.

[ecstatic]

6. Be the change you want to see

If you want a Justice for Lydia movement, start one.

[smirkymonkey]

7. How sad.

This is so wrong and avoidable. RIP dear Lydia.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

9. If the person who shot her is caught, they won't have sovereign immunity.

They will go away for life.

Why can’t right wingers make that distinction?

And yes, there have been “don’t shoot” campaigns in Chicago. It’s just that police boot-lickers and gun jumpers don’t care or pay attention.

[quakerboy]

10. Who do you want protested?

What are the demands of the movement?

[JI7]

12. People ARE protesting for gun control.

[Stuart G]

13. .."Little Village" is in Chicago..(for those who do not know)

[Arazi]

15. The difference is Lydia's murderer will be pursued, charged and jailed

While Adam's murderer will be protected, exonerated, and free to murder again with the state's blessing

[sarisataka]

18. Less than half of murders in Chicago are solved nt

[Arazi]

19. Ok

But there will be some attempt at justice.

Adam Toledo will get no justice. His murderer will get off with a vigorous blue line defense

[Stuart G]

21. We will see..maybe not.

[sarisataka]

22. Even though I think the case should go to court

I wouldn't bet a dime on a conviction in the shooting. No blue line would be needed, any half decent attorney is going to be able to create reasonable doubt

[Progressive Jones]

30. She was likely killed by someone gunning for another in the car.

The car/driver was probably the target.

Gang shit. Mark my words.

[moondust]

20. A week ago in Houston:

3-year-old fatally shoots (8-month-old) baby brother after picking up unsecured gun

[Humanist_Activist]

24. If we want to make a goddamned difference, then we need to be serious about this...

we need to severely reduce the amount of hand guns and semi-autos in circulation, period.

This would have to involve gun-buy backs, confiscations and destruction along severe regulations and restrictions on handgun and semi-auto ownership.

Most gun crimes are committed using handguns, revolvers and the like, they are cheap, they are reliable, and there are a lot of them out there. A lot of mass shootings are done using semi-autos as well. We have nearly 20,000 people die a year from firearms in this country, that is inexcusable. There is no need for handguns or semi-autos to be in circulation, its ridiculous.

[rgbecker]

28. 39,000 including accidents and suicides.

Just agreeing.

[kacekwl]

25. This girl was shot by someone

doing the same thing Adam and his pal were doing. Different results yet both are dead. Adam could have been the killer but instead ended up dead. Sad ending for both.

[Whiskeytide]

31. I think this was the OP's point, and ...

... I think it was missed by most of the posters in this thread.

[StarfishSaver]

26. There are no protests because the law enforcement system is working the way it's supposed to

This was a terrible tragedy. Someone shot and killed this child.

But there is no need to march in order to force law enforcement to investigate and prosecute her murder because the system is kicking into place to seek justice for her.

The police are investigating and the perpetrator will no doubt be arrested, charged, prosecuted and likely convicted and jailed.

There is no need to protest because the police are not the ones who killed her.

There is no need to protest because the police are not ignoring her killing.

There is no need to protest because the police and their apologists are not claiming her shooting was justified.

There is no need to protest because the "Blue Lives Matter Except when they don't but white lives matter ALL the time" crowd is not blaming her for her death.

There are no marches because she was, sadly, one of thousands of victims of violent crimes. She was not the victim of government-sanctioned police brutality.

Don't get it twisted.

[rgbecker]

29. Say it Starfish. +100.