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orleans

(34,042 posts)
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 08:18 PM Apr 2021

great photo - "the age of innocence"



"I had been on assignment at a Detroit Montessori school for two days, and shot hundreds of photos. Some were very good, but I knew I hadn't gotten THE shot. That afternoon, as we all sat on the floor in a circle listening to a story, I bowed my head. When I raised my head, this little girl leaned over to lay her head on the little boy's lap. He very gently lifted his arm to receive her. I call this photo 'The Age of Innocence."
- Marco Mancinelli

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great photo - "the age of innocence" (Original Post) orleans Apr 2021 OP
Nobody is born a racist...It has to be taught. Enter stage left Apr 2021 #1
That picture goes to show Butterflylady Apr 2021 #3
+ 1 nt pazzyanne Apr 2021 #12
Ditto. nt iluvtennis Apr 2021 #20
Not quite. People are born wired to varying negative responses to Hortensis Apr 2021 #32
the perception of 'other' stopdiggin Apr 2021 #36
And in an era of enormous changes rushing us to who knows where, "other" Hortensis Apr 2021 #41
wonderful perspective!! stopdiggin Apr 2021 #42
+1! tecelote Apr 2021 #39
The taint of adulthood racial propaganda has not reached them so far.... magicarpet Apr 2021 #2
The children could teach us a lot Deuxcents Apr 2021 #4
Have a feeling it is Pulitzer material dixiegrrrrl Apr 2021 #16
That was my first thought also. patphil Apr 2021 #28
Doesn't matter what gender, race or color you are. Children know that. WTF is it stripped from them? Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #5
Beautiful malaise Apr 2021 #6
I would love to see a "where are they now?" follow-up of the kids in the picture. Tanuki Apr 2021 #8
i don't think that photo is that old for a "where are they now" follow up orleans Apr 2021 #26
Ah, thanks for that! Those plaid-cuffed jeans the little boy is wearing Tanuki Apr 2021 #27
Which is why I've tried to never grow up. panader0 Apr 2021 #9
Same here malaise Apr 2021 #10
I taught 1st grade for about 15 years and the little kids BigmanPigman Apr 2021 #7
I wonder what happens in those years between 1st and 6th grade. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2021 #22
God, that is so beautiful, I just don't have words... Aristus Apr 2021 #11
Just precious. llmart Apr 2021 #13
I've mentioned this anecdote before, but I think it's instructive, or at least confirming. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2021 #14
Beautiful. MLAA Apr 2021 #15
Simply... DemUnleashed Apr 2021 #17
That's so sweet and beautiful MustLoveBeagles Apr 2021 #18
Yes. I like that babies don't have accents. They all sound the same. Hortensis Apr 2021 #33
I was raised by racists. They tried to teach me to hate blacks & hispanics, but mostly, yankees. rickyhall Apr 2021 #19
Star Trek Collimator Apr 2021 #29
Magnificent orleans! Simple. Honest. The way it ought to be. Thank You! George McGovern Apr 2021 #21
That is one of the most beautiful photographs ever. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2021 #23
As my children would say - notinkansas Apr 2021 #24
This picture is worth... 3catwoman3 Apr 2021 #25
Kick dalton99a Apr 2021 #30
Kids become pretty brutal as they get a little older. NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #31
We live in a university town with a large diversity of race and nationality for its size. maddiemom Apr 2021 #34
Awwwwwwwwwwwwww... calimary Apr 2021 #35
That picture stirs up a lot of feelings, doesn't it? BobTheSubgenius Apr 2021 #37
Beautiful!!! demigoddess Apr 2021 #38
That beauty bobnicewander Apr 2021 #40
No One robleb Apr 2021 #43
Beautiful! burrowowl Apr 2021 #44

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. Not quite. People are born wired to varying negative responses to
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:38 AM
Apr 2021

what is different from "normal," some a lot more and some a lot less than others. Fear, caution. Seemingly part of our survival equipment. Then nurture kicks in.

stopdiggin

(11,248 posts)
36. the perception of 'other'
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:12 PM
Apr 2021

seems to be rooted pretty deeply. In some circumstances that works to advantage (to throw a positive spin at the discussion). The exotic and unusual has often been a source a fascination, and imparted value -- and has lent greatly toward the 'expansion' of our tiny little tribes (and social comfort zone). I'm thinking of trade of course -- which has been around about as long as we have. But your quite right in that much of the basis of our perception, and thus thought, revolves around that which is expected (the pattern) versus that which is not (and thus stands out for attention). Sometimes evoking curiosity -- sometimes anxiety and consternation.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. And in an era of enormous changes rushing us to who knows where, "other"
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 03:55 PM
Apr 2021

is everywhere, but mostly unseen and unknown.

Even here, where most presumably are more open to change and less frightened by it than those on the right, there's a tendency for some to assume negative trends or consequences will just continue to get worse and worse, instead of causing countering reactions.

200,000 (or 6 million) years of evolution did not prepare us for this. Enormous ongoing changes used to mean enormous calamities, not increased wellbeing and wonderful new opportunities.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
16. Have a feeling it is Pulitzer material
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:46 PM
Apr 2021

Because it is a great shot and because of the current political environment, it has even more meaning.

Evolve Dammit

(16,702 posts)
5. Doesn't matter what gender, race or color you are. Children know that. WTF is it stripped from them?
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 08:50 PM
Apr 2021

We are such a fucked up society. Truly.

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
8. I would love to see a "where are they now?" follow-up of the kids in the picture.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:09 PM
Apr 2021

I bet they turned out to be nice grown-ups!

orleans

(34,042 posts)
26. i don't think that photo is that old for a "where are they now" follow up
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 03:50 AM
Apr 2021

i googled the photographer and found this photo and his name on a lot of sites

this was the first that came up on google
https://nevada-today.com/age-of-innocence-by-marco-mancinelli/
from april 2019

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
27. Ah, thanks for that! Those plaid-cuffed jeans the little boy is wearing
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 04:07 AM
Apr 2021

have a "retro" look that made me think it was from yesteryear! Well, in that case, I'll change my remark and say that I bet they'll grow up to be nice adults! They are clearly off to a good start.

BigmanPigman

(51,568 posts)
7. I taught 1st grade for about 15 years and the little kids
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:02 PM
Apr 2021

are genuinely kind and they WANT to help. They want to help the teacher and fellow students. I had a multi cultural classroom and when we would get a new student midyear the class would bend over backwards to help. They did it naturally. If the new student didn't understand English or know how to get to the bathroom or the office the rest of the kids would argue over who got the chance to help out. That never happened when I taught 6th graders.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
22. I wonder what happens in those years between 1st and 6th grade.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:09 PM
Apr 2021

I was talking earlier today to a good friend of mine who was in the Peace Corps 1969-1972. When he came back he wound up speaking to kids at the elementary school he'd attended when he was a kid. He told me the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th graders were most interested and asked the best questions. The older kids just weren't all that interested.

I know some stuff is developmental. We all change over time. But still, I'd think that things like kindness and curiosity could somehow be maintained.

llmart

(15,534 posts)
13. Just precious.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:19 PM
Apr 2021

My little granddaughter has been in a day care, preschool, now she's in kindergarten there and seeing her interact these past five years with kids of all colors, races, ethnicity it just is so darned eye opening, since they just don't have a racist bone in their bodies at that age. The racism is learned at home.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,560 posts)
14. I've mentioned this anecdote before, but I think it's instructive, or at least confirming.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:23 PM
Apr 2021

Even though it was me that said the "punchline."

My father told this story many times, so I guess he found it instructive, or poignant , or whatever.

When I brought home my Grade 1 class photo, my father noticed a guy I still know today - HY. He is Chinese-Canadian, and, as far as my father knew, the first non-white child I had ever met. (Vancouver was VERY Caucasian, in those days) Wanting to know what I thought of it, he - not a racist in the slightest, just curious - said "I see you have a Chinese boy in your class."

My response, apparently, because I BARELY remember this, was puzzlement, followed by "No one in my class speaks Chinese."

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
19. I was raised by racists. They tried to teach me to hate blacks & hispanics, but mostly, yankees.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 10:32 PM
Apr 2021

But, it may sound weird, tv taught me otherwise, especially Star Trek.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
29. Star Trek
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:25 AM
Apr 2021

Opened up a lot of minds to new possibilities.

Speaking of being raised by racists, my folks used to warn me about shopping at certain malls, because "those" people went there.

The most dangerous place that I have ever been, and the only place where I have suffered from violence, was my parents' house. I've only ever been threatened and hit by people the exact same color as me. Ain't that great, MAGAts?

NH Ethylene

(30,803 posts)
31. Kids become pretty brutal as they get a little older.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:35 AM
Apr 2021

Anyone who is a little different gets ostracized and bullied. When I was in second grade it was the girl with the frizzy hair. It came to be believed that she had 'cooties' and nobody would sit with her.

You see it in every grade school. It's practically a caste system or a henyard pecking order. It's why bullying is so hard to eradicate.

So I don't think the inclination to separate the 'others' among us is a learned behavior; I think it was selected for in evolution because it alerted people to those who were not in their clan, so potentially a danger, and also eliminated the weak to make for a stronger group, just like with animals.

Nowadays, as we get older, we learn to be tolerant and to appreciate diversity. The kids who were outcasts in high school find friends as adults.

So I don't think we learn to be racist; I think we learn to be inclusive. The problem is that many people don't teach their children tolerance and in fact are happy to point out who the 'others' are.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
34. We live in a university town with a large diversity of race and nationality for its size.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 12:17 PM
Apr 2021

Our daughter started at a Montessori school at age three.. She came home chattering about all her new friends. We hadn't the foggiest notion of any of their races or nationalities until the first parents' night. Granted some of these kids had first names that were unusual, but she took that as for granted as she did a Jason or a Heather. Her biggest problem when starting traditional elementary school was getting up and "helping" other kids who were having trouble with their work.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,560 posts)
37. That picture stirs up a lot of feelings, doesn't it?
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:14 PM
Apr 2021

Pictures like this make you wonder what happens to people over the years. No idea how these two are going to grow up, obviously, but some adults might have had moments like these, and had those feelings stomped out of them.

bobnicewander

(798 posts)
40. That beauty
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 03:39 PM
Apr 2021

is everywhere every moment of every day because there are children everywhere every moment of every day.

Thank you for posting it.

robleb

(162 posts)
43. No One
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 04:43 PM
Apr 2021

“No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin, or his background, or his religion.
People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love,
for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite.”

― Nelson Mandela, Long Walk to Freedom

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