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TNNurse

(6,924 posts)
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 11:48 AM Apr 2021

I realized today the greatest argument against white supremacy

is the the people who promote it.

Not one of them is impressive in their intelligence, knowledge, compassion or any other positive quality.

Trump, Boebert, Greene, Gosar or any of the others who have supported them are not people to admire.

Nothing to claim supremacy of anything except they are supremely hateful and racist..

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I realized today the greatest argument against white supremacy (Original Post) TNNurse Apr 2021 OP
Yup gratuitous Apr 2021 #1
BEAUTIFUL! I LOVE this cartoon! calimary Apr 2021 #13
Don't like the cartoon...White Supremacy has nothing to do with looks... Tiger8 Apr 2021 #41
I get you, but that's not the point of the cartoon. soldierant Apr 2021 #50
Okay, that makes sense.. Tiger8 Apr 2021 #54
Hate certainly affects the appearance. soldierant Apr 2021 #60
That rings true, and not just for hatred, etc. Tiger8 Apr 2021 #61
WRT media hosts ... soldierant Apr 2021 #62
+9,875,025 to be precise. That's funny!!! n/t. NNadir Apr 2021 #24
But that's the "why" of white supremacy. Solomon Apr 2021 #29
this WhiteTara Apr 2021 #33
Mocking someone's physical appearance (shape of their chin)? CaptainTruth Apr 2021 #36
If someone pretends to being the supreme race, the acme of humanity gratuitous Apr 2021 #37
Though they may fancy themselves the acme of humanity.... lastlib Apr 2021 #47
It rubs me the wrong way, too, as I know many who are facially ChazII Apr 2021 #39
Dunning Kruger meets Darwin. nt Xipe Totec Apr 2021 #2
This rickford66 Apr 2021 #38
evolution? sowb theory suggests white supremacy/racism is an inherited masturbation problem certainot Apr 2021 #42
I agree-- they are all mediocre at best in intellect- dawg day Apr 2021 #3
Exactly. It's a given: arguing in favor of racial superiority immediately brands one as inferior. sop Apr 2021 #4
Humanity stands on an ecological brink brought on by the policies of rich, (mostly) white men. CrispyQ Apr 2021 #5
I disagree. I think they are each perfect specimens. EYESORE 9001 Apr 2021 #6
They were the same Turbineguy Apr 2021 #7
Kick. nt iluvtennis Apr 2021 #8
Their supremacy is reflected in their mediocracy. And they want no one to be better than mediocre. erronis Apr 2021 #9
Got the reference. :)) Even without the PHC. HUAJIAO Apr 2021 #20
The Minute That Any Other Human Being. . . Collimator Apr 2021 #27
I think this is true for any measure - skin color, intelligence, birthplace, tribe, etc. erronis Apr 2021 #31
Supremely white Traildogbob Apr 2021 #10
Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2021 #11
It's why they loathe Obama. He and his family are so obviously superior to them deurbano Apr 2021 #12
Exactly! Dreampuff Apr 2021 #17
And they really hate immigrants who start with nothing.... Jon King Apr 2021 #21
Lyndon Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best sop Apr 2021 #53
Matt Gaetz dates children IronLionZion Apr 2021 #14
Let's not forget the brown supremacists in Asia and the black supremacists in Africa. abqtommy Apr 2021 #15
Don't forget to include Tucker, Hannity, and talk radio ilk. Full of hyperbole and racist BS talk.. joetheman Apr 2021 #16
Agreed, that is what cracks me up about these people.... Jon King Apr 2021 #18
Critical thinking multigraincracker Apr 2021 #19
Image if your greatest accomplishment in life is being born white Major Nikon Apr 2021 #22
The issue with white supremacy is that because our nation is built on it, it's really easy to WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #23
These current charter members of the KKK caucus kimbutgar Apr 2021 #25
We should all aspire to be Louie Gohmert lame54 Apr 2021 #26
The history of white people pretty much speaks for itself. KentuckyWoman Apr 2021 #28
White people are superior at getting skin cancer n/t TexasBushwhacker Apr 2021 #48
Woo, got another one. I'm on a roll today! Nexus2 Apr 2021 #30
When you have no talent and you lack a strong work ethic, the only thing that you have left... Yavin4 Apr 2021 #32
The Republican bench us thin and shallow BlueNProud Apr 2021 #34
"White Supremacy"... Snackshack Apr 2021 #35
Who are you making this argument to? brooklynite Apr 2021 #40
I read it as an observation, not an argument. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #46
If the thing you are most proud of is something you were born with, and did nothing to earn .... eppur_se_muova Apr 2021 #43
I just saw a video of Enoch Powell on the Dick Cavett show with Dr Jonathan Miller. GoneOffShore Apr 2021 #44
Only people with no actual accomplishments are proud of their genetics or where they happened meadowlander Apr 2021 #45
oh I figured that out a long time ago Skittles Apr 2021 #49
As a white peson who has lived in the south all her 71 years TNNurse Apr 2021 #51
K and fucking R Blue Owl Apr 2021 #52
I thought a good idea for SNL would be "The White Supremes". They should be able to work up brewens Apr 2021 #55
Will Never Understand It colsohlibgal Apr 2021 #56
its been in the background for years , then the afotrmentioned AllaN01Bear Apr 2021 #57
White supremacists are inferior white people BoringUsername Apr 2021 #58
I know we're prone to thinking of the typical Fox viewer... OneGrassRoot Apr 2021 #59
 

Tiger8

(432 posts)
41. Don't like the cartoon...White Supremacy has nothing to do with looks...
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:59 PM
Apr 2021

My parents taught me to never judge a book by it's cover.

That said, I had a crush on this guy back in college back in the 80's. Handsome gay guy who came from a wealthy family. He drove a new sports car, nice fashionable clothes. So I found his FB profile, and every post is in support of Trump, including pics of him in Trump gear.

But I gotta say that today his face looks really sad. Even when he's smiling, his eyes tell a different story.


soldierant

(6,791 posts)
50. I get you, but that's not the point of the cartoon.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 06:23 PM
Apr 2021

The point is that the strongest white supremacists are the worst human beings. A cartoonsit can't very well draw stupid ot hateful or even weak - at least not morally weak, so he or she has to use ugly as a symbol for it.

I have (for Kindle) the book this is from, and I think it is clearer in context (though book # 20 (I think it is) out of God knows how many now) is hardly a complete context.)

 

Tiger8

(432 posts)
54. Okay, that makes sense..
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 09:02 PM
Apr 2021

Beyond that, I’ve noticed there is a certain unexplainable “ugly” to the offspring of White Supremacists. Like Trump should have beautiful children since he’s good looking, and he married fashion models. But his kids seem strange looking, not that smart, and with a cruel streak. Maybe hate affects the DNA.

soldierant

(6,791 posts)
60. Hate certainly affects the appearance.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 07:48 PM
Apr 2021

There's a saying that up to a certain age (I think it's 40) you have the face you were born with, and after that, you have the face you deserve. Of course the change is not that sudden, and I'm sure the age would vary from person to person, but there is some truth in it.

 

Tiger8

(432 posts)
61. That rings true, and not just for hatred, etc.
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 08:29 AM
Apr 2021

There’s varying degrees and circumstances....for example, a racist sheriff in the south has power, or a radio talk show host doesn’t actually believe the bullshit they spread - so it maybe affects them differently than the poor schmucks who are taught to fear and hate.


It’s worth studying on a scientific level, because people I’ve known thru the yeas do develop a face to match their personality.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
37. If someone pretends to being the supreme race, the acme of humanity
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:44 PM
Apr 2021

Wouldn't it follow that they would be physically and cosmetically superior?

lastlib

(23,146 posts)
47. Though they may fancy themselves the acme of humanity....
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 05:33 PM
Apr 2021

..they are more like the acne of humanity. Pimples full of pus.

ChazII

(6,202 posts)
39. It rubs me the wrong way, too, as I know many who are facially
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:46 PM
Apr 2021

different. Yet, they are subjected to ridicule because of their facial differences.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
42. evolution? sowb theory suggests white supremacy/racism is an inherited masturbation problem
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 03:01 PM
Apr 2021

not that there's anything wrong with masturbation, but with which hand is used. human ancestors were about 50-50 right and left handed like todays apes and chimps but the sex on the wrong brain theory suggests which hand made a diff because of right left brain hemisphere differences that go way back in animal evolution.

we had a binary choice and sex on the wrong brain gave right handers some survival advantages during times of conflict and hardship and eventually we got to 90% right handed dominance. while human brains are still basically hardwired for the cooperation that we needed living in nature and small bands for millions of years, when populations grew and conflicts increased those sex on the wrong brain 'advantages' (fear, intolerance, suspicion, lack of empathy, authoritarian tendencies) coupled with delaying the age of reproduction and sexual repression increased sowb considerably.

until the last few thousands of years masturbation was probably not as common - we were experiencing sex/reproducing earlier. it increased most in affluent as well as religious/sexually repressed societies. populations, societies, cultures and religions might have favored particular sowb characteristics and susceptibilities to them may be inherited (brain structure and development, for instance). or it may be a general 'sowb gene' thing.

thing is, sowb theory predicted the pandemic increase in masturbation (incels, safe sex) would increase authoritarianism, racism, fascism

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
3. I agree-- they are all mediocre at best in intellect-
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 12:00 PM
Apr 2021

and worse than lamentable at morality.

I suppose that's the purpose of 'white supremacy'-- to insist on power and privilege even for lousy human beings, as long as they are white.

It's not like Lauren Boebert and Paul Gosar would ever have gotten any power or respect without the overvaluing of their race by other mediocre white people like them.

And I'm being very generous with the word 'mediocre".

sop

(10,098 posts)
4. Exactly. It's a given: arguing in favor of racial superiority immediately brands one as inferior.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 12:10 PM
Apr 2021

And physical characteristics may not be indicative of an individual's intelligence, but there does appear to be a correlation between Greene's remarkably primitive facial features and the woman's limited intellectual capacity.

CrispyQ

(36,420 posts)
5. Humanity stands on an ecological brink brought on by the policies of rich, (mostly) white men.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 12:25 PM
Apr 2021

What's sad is how many people think they still deserve to be in charge.

erronis

(15,177 posts)
9. Their supremacy is reflected in their mediocracy. And they want no one to be better than mediocre.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 12:45 PM
Apr 2021

Definitely not "All children are above average." (PHC)

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
27. The Minute That Any Other Human Being. . .
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:22 PM
Apr 2021

reaches any level of excellence, their hackles rise and they label their enemy as "elitist". It's because they really are lacking in any higher skill or competence. They literally have nothing else to recommend them other than their whiteness. And a world where being white (or any other color) is a morally neutral characteristic terrifies them.

erronis

(15,177 posts)
31. I think this is true for any measure - skin color, intelligence, birthplace, tribe, etc.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:29 PM
Apr 2021

If they rely on some limited aspect of their existence to define themselves, then they are by definition self-limited.

I've known of parents who don't want their children to excel since it would reflect poorly on the parents. That's why the poor whites try to keep their chilluns down on the farm/dump.

And then there are, of course, parents who hope and pray for their children to be able to grow and flourish.

Traildogbob

(8,674 posts)
10. Supremely white
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 12:55 PM
Apr 2021

When I have to do Wally World here in the rural Mountains of NC, to keep from raging aT the red hat Trump whities, I just laugh and giggle at those strolling, or carting, around the store believing what they are displaying in those little pea brains, is a super gene of supreme beings. Many with a genetic branching tree that resemble a telephone pole. I am certain they can see the comical pleasure in my eyes, being I am always double masked around this shallow gene pool of idiots. 😷🙄😆 Need an emoji with the mask and either of these eyes.

deurbano

(2,894 posts)
12. It's why they loathe Obama. He and his family are so obviously superior to them
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 01:11 PM
Apr 2021

that they have to keep tearing him down to make any sense of their white supremacist world view. They constantly searched for new ways to disqualify someone who graduated magnum cum laude from Harvard Law and was president of the Law Review. I mean, that stands on its own merits, so they had to disqualify his citizenship... or question his undergraduate grades... his religion (secretly Muslim)... his political beliefs (secretly Marxist)... etc., etc.

Dreampuff

(778 posts)
17. Exactly!
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 01:37 PM
Apr 2021

They appear to have the same line of thought as the schoolyard bully. He secretly feels inferior so he has to put others down so he can feel Superior.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
21. And they really hate immigrants who start with nothing....
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 01:49 PM
Apr 2021

The Vietnamese family that works 3 jobs, lives 10 to a house, saves, buys a store, sends their kids to college. Or the family from India where dad drives a taxi, the kids study all day, and they end up with 2 doctors in the family.

Yup, those people arrested for Jan 6th are waaaay superior to them!

sop

(10,098 posts)
53. Lyndon Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 09:02 PM
Apr 2021

colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
14. Matt Gaetz dates children
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 01:16 PM
Apr 2021

Conservatives like to think that child predators are foreigners but it's people like Matt Gaetz, Roy Moore, Jeffrey Epstein, some fundie churches, etc.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
15. Let's not forget the brown supremacists in Asia and the black supremacists in Africa.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 01:16 PM
Apr 2021

It only takes one supremacist to ruin your day.

 

joetheman

(1,450 posts)
16. Don't forget to include Tucker, Hannity, and talk radio ilk. Full of hyperbole and racist BS talk..
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 01:26 PM
Apr 2021

nothing cerebral or even common sense.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
18. Agreed, that is what cracks me up about these people....
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 01:38 PM
Apr 2021

They are the least impressive among us yet tout their superiority.

multigraincracker

(32,635 posts)
19. Critical thinking
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 01:45 PM
Apr 2021

Need to require it in grades before the 8th.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking

Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment.[1] The subject is complex, and several different definitionsexist, which generally include the rational, skeptical, unbiased analysis, or evaluation of factual evidence. Critical thinking is self-directed, self-disciplined, self-monitored, and self-corrective thinking.[2] It presupposes assent to rigorous standards of excellence and mindful command of their use. It entails effective communication and problem-solving abilities as well as a commitment to overcome native egocentrism[3][4] and sociocentrism.

Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
22. Image if your greatest accomplishment in life is being born white
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 01:55 PM
Apr 2021

That’s the best description of these people I know

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,307 posts)
23. The issue with white supremacy is that because our nation is built on it, it's really easy to
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:00 PM
Apr 2021

uphold it and endorse it even when you don't know you're doing it. White supremacy is not intentional; it's the default in many of our institutions. It's not an us-vs-them thing. We're all soaking in it and we have to work against it, or else we're supporting it.

kimbutgar

(21,050 posts)
25. These current charter members of the KKK caucus
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:12 PM
Apr 2021

Are the cruel party now. They enjoy people suffering from illness, gun violence, racism and poverty.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
28. The history of white people pretty much speaks for itself.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:22 PM
Apr 2021

Granted other racial groups have been known to be abusive in the entire course of human history. But the very idea Caucasians are superior to other racial groups is just ridiculous, given historical fact.

At this very moment we have however many 1000's of so called illegal (brown) children in mass prisons. All the excuses in the world, doesn't matter. I guaran... goddamn - tee you if the refugees were from Canada or Europe there would be no mass detention centers.

Nexus2

(1,261 posts)
30. Woo, got another one. I'm on a roll today!
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:27 PM
Apr 2021

Its not technically a joke/riddle, but I'll take a win where I get one. Cheeseburger Combo meal here I come!

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
32. When you have no talent and you lack a strong work ethic, the only thing that you have left...
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:32 PM
Apr 2021

is your race. Your claim of racial superiority entitles you to benefits that people of other races have to work for or litigate for.

BlueNProud

(1,048 posts)
34. The Republican bench us thin and shallow
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:39 PM
Apr 2021

None of them are impressive or trusted beyond their ignorant bigoted base.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
35. "White Supremacy"...
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:41 PM
Apr 2021

Is a by product of religion with out fundamental changes in both neither will ever change.

brooklynite

(94,331 posts)
40. Who are you making this argument to?
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 02:50 PM
Apr 2021

One of reasons some people vote for Republicans is that they see Democrats as intellectual elitists who have complicated solutions to their problems.

ShazzieB

(16,271 posts)
46. I read it as an observation, not an argument.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 05:29 PM
Apr 2021

And it seems like an accurate observation to me!

I also agree with your observation about why some people vote for Republicans. I'd also add that people who are chiefly motivated by fear are attracted to candidates who they think will protect them from what they fear.

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
43. If the thing you are most proud of is something you were born with, and did nothing to earn ....
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 03:11 PM
Apr 2021

you are a failure.

If you've worked hard to develop whatever talents you have, however insignificant, that counts for a lot more than being born to (real or imagined) privilege -- and you can consider yourself a success.

GoneOffShore

(17,336 posts)
44. I just saw a video of Enoch Powell on the Dick Cavett show with Dr Jonathan Miller.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 03:25 PM
Apr 2021

Powell comes across as remarkably intelligent, but soulless with it. There always seems to be something missing with these people. There's a lack of understanding, of compassion, of looking outside their identity and that betrays them.

meadowlander

(4,387 posts)
45. Only people with no actual accomplishments are proud of their genetics or where they happened
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 03:30 PM
Apr 2021

to be born.

TNNurse

(6,924 posts)
51. As a white peson who has lived in the south all her 71 years
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 06:23 PM
Apr 2021

and worked with the public, I can assure you we are NOT superior.

brewens

(13,537 posts)
55. I thought a good idea for SNL would be "The White Supremes". They should be able to work up
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 09:48 PM
Apr 2021

some alternative lyrics to Supremes songs, but maybe work in something to relate to the RW justices too.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
56. Will Never Understand It
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 09:53 PM
Apr 2021

I have had two best friends in my life, one is deceased. Anyway as a white woman my two best gal pals were one Jewish one of Color. My Jewish friend Vicki died my other friend still here.

They were the best friends you could ask for.

I will never ever get Racism or Anti Semitism and I am sickened that it’s on the rise.

AllaN01Bear

(17,982 posts)
57. its been in the background for years , then the afotrmentioned
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 09:40 AM
Apr 2021

let it go into the fore. now its like trying to put the gini back into the bottle .

BoringUsername

(142 posts)
58. White supremacists are inferior white people
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 11:18 AM
Apr 2021

I've always thought that. They are white supremacists because they aren't willing to work on themselves to become better people. Instead, they'd like to believe they are just better people for merely being born white. That allows them to keep on being lazy.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
59. I know we're prone to thinking of the typical Fox viewer...
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 11:30 AM
Apr 2021

or people who are proud of being called rednecks (even though certainly there are non-racist liberals who identify as rednecks, but I digress), but I feel that's a mistake.

Especially over the last 8 years or so, white supremacist (and other supremacist behavior) has manifested undeniably in academia. Over the last couple of years I've been shocked by some leaders in progressive movements (P2P peer-to-peer, mutual aid, cooperatives, environment movements, etc.) who tend to be more academic theorists than boots on the ground and their growing vitriol toward "woke" movements, BLM and so forth. They have swung all the way to the right and I now consider them right-wing extremists, often following Jordan Peterson. Yuck.

Yes, I know academia is one of many systems steeped in white supremacy (and patriarchy). But when we think of individuals who embrace white supremacy, whether they're aware of it or not, it doesn't fit into a nice, neat description of personality type or education level, other than selfishness being a common trait.

I think that's a mistake many of us on the left make, as well as not recognizing it among our own ranks. Because it is most definitely there, though often much more subtle which can be even worse. Black friends through the years have commented that they prefer a known KKK member any day over the death by a thousand cuts seemingly well-meaning white people can often inflict. At least they know where they stand immediately with a KKK member.

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