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"Do you speak English?" cop asks Asian-American CNN producer as he roughly arrests her (Original Post) True Dough Apr 2021 OP
Here's a tweet by another journalist who was covering the unrest after the Daunte Wright shooting True Dough Apr 2021 #1
What happened to the de-escalation they were trying soothsayer Apr 2021 #2
CNN, do your job! bluestarone Apr 2021 #3
Plus 1 Demovictory9 Apr 2021 #35
Not just that. Do a story on the officers and expose them, where they live Maraya1969 Apr 2021 #45
You are exactly right. These jerks come on real strong like theirs is the final word. jaxexpat Apr 2021 #59
FTP. Abolish it all. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #4
Waiting to hear from Joe or Congress wnylib Apr 2021 #5
THIS n/t malaise Apr 2021 #6
Amen to every word of this. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #8
Maybe we need to prod them with some e-mails. wnylib Apr 2021 #15
Which one? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #10
Getting tired of law enforcement getting away with criminal activity. LiberalFighter Apr 2021 #7
Fascism 101. SergeStorms Apr 2021 #26
Pathetic when cops don't speak rights Pas-de-Calais Apr 2021 #9
Would appear these particular officers think they are above the law. NoMoreRepugs Apr 2021 #11
The ONLY way this is going to stop is with lawsuits and firings Ferrets are Cool Apr 2021 #12
Actually, the individual law enforcement officers must be Dan Apr 2021 #18
This Ferrets are Cool Apr 2021 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2021 #39
There have been filings and lawsuits over the years. It's not stopping much of anything. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #21
What is the answer then? Protests don't seem to be doing much of anything except Ferrets are Cool Apr 2021 #30
Abolish it. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #33
By whom? Ferrets are Cool Apr 2021 #34
People who realize there's no reforming a system designed to hurt, control and punish. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #41
Lawsuits, that come out of their pensions Thrill Apr 2021 #43
Or defunding quakerboy Apr 2021 #54
I am wondering whether there is merely an earthquake soldierant Apr 2021 #13
Twas ever thus. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #19
Abolish qualified immunity and require liability/malpractice insurance. crickets Apr 2021 #14
It is a test of wills True Dough Apr 2021 #17
Whatever you wish on police unions, watch for Republicans to use against other public-sector unions. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #22
That is true, unless the point is made (and it should be) that police unions crickets Apr 2021 #46
Some cops are members of AFL-CIO affiliated unions. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #48
And not everyone in the AFL-CIO is happy about it. nt crickets Apr 2021 #49
Don't I know it. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #50
I'd love to hear more if you're willing to share. crickets Apr 2021 #51
Did you see what happened in St. Paul earlier this week? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #52
Oopsies. crickets Apr 2021 #55
good idea, make them get their own insurance!!! demigoddess Apr 2021 #31
that qualified immunity bullshit is killing people. biden needs to get rid of that asap nt orleans Apr 2021 #40
A Union Contract druidity33 Apr 2021 #47
It feels like the police unions are instructing their members to be more violent and rough of people kimbutgar Apr 2021 #16
It's not the unions. It's the system of policing itself. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #23
Which includes the unions. JHB Apr 2021 #38
Cops roughed up the press last summer too IronLionZion Apr 2021 #20
This is a typical taunt/insult to Asian Americans. Irish_Dem Apr 2021 #24
I bet that holds true in this case True Dough Apr 2021 #25
Exactly, that is why it is so insulting. Irish_Dem Apr 2021 #27
*Here's video of another journo being "processed" AND photographed by a cop.... and maced IcyPeas Apr 2021 #28
Goddamn pigs. dalton99a Apr 2021 #32
Might even consider this bluestarone Apr 2021 #36
I'm rapidly losing respect for "law enforcement". The police friends I have acknowledge the problem. Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #37
What are they doing about it? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #56
Precisely dick, I'd wager. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2021 #61
Minnesota WTF? marmar Apr 2021 #42
This country is a white supremacy. Just because we have a progressive history in MN doesn't mean WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #57
Horrible bdamomma Apr 2021 #44
If the State of Minnesota won't or can't do anything about this, the DOJ in Washington should DFW Apr 2021 #53
This is what Trump meant when he talked about be the law & order guy. sarcasmo Apr 2021 #58
America llashram Apr 2021 #60
Well, for entering the country illegally to bring COVID to this side of the Pacific, BobTheSubgenius Apr 2021 #62

True Dough

(17,304 posts)
1. Here's a tweet by another journalist who was covering the unrest after the Daunte Wright shooting
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 04:55 PM
Apr 2021

The police don't care who is in their line of fire.



Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
45. Not just that. Do a story on the officers and expose them, where they live
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 08:05 PM
Apr 2021

what fucking type of coffee they like to drink and everything else they can that is within the legal limits.

They can make life uncomfortable for these jackass officers and they should.

jaxexpat

(6,820 posts)
59. You are exactly right. These jerks come on real strong like theirs is the final word.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 06:59 AM
Apr 2021

They're too smugly misinformed to understand how ignorant and out of line they are. Abusing their legal authority in such fashion they lay themselves open to justice from their constituents. It would be totally appropriate for a crowd of citizens to shadow these types 24/7 until they are brought to justice. LEO's should stand fearless before the criminals in our society but they should tremble in dread of retribution for their personal criminal actions against the public. The sadistic bully streak which runs through an inordinate percentage of our cop class is the first thing that screeners should have flagged prior to arming and badging from the general population of applicants. But they didn't because it's difficult for the weak to recognize weakness in others or the corrupt to censure the corruption of others.
That these criminal actors are shielded by their fellows is the actual, fundamental logical reason to disband the current police community en masse. The fact that they act with impunity, having no apparent recognition of any consequences for their behavior and see no need of self-policing is not only justification but a bright neon sign screaming "enough is enough", it's past time for mass termination. I actually expect to see a rise in crime afterwards because their unemployment will result in a historical release of criminals onto the streets.

I have done a little quick researching to get an idea what the German people did with their Nazi fellows after 1945. Turns out it wasn't in their hands so much but up to the allied victors. Looks like the US lost it's taste for justice within a year as economic realities drew attention away from criminality. Who would have ever guessed? But ultimately the element disappeared into the population, in the west more so than the east though. The Russians were really pissed. But wait, it's just not fair or accurate to compare Nazi enforcers to the American blue line........except it is.

The pending resolution of the case in Minneapolis will tell us if we have permission to believe our own eyes. It should tell us that any directive to intentionally "turn off the body cams" is a prosecutable admission of criminal wrong-doing but it may not. The pulsing jugular of the ruling classes is exposed these days.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
5. Waiting to hear from Joe or Congress
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 05:23 PM
Apr 2021

that DOJ will investigate the police department.

Also, suits should be filed for denial of constitutional rights and defying a court order to leave journalists alone

SergeStorms

(19,200 posts)
26. Fascism 101.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 06:34 PM
Apr 2021

"That other guy" emboldened racists, white supremacists, and fascists. Unfortunately for the people of this country, many of those racists, white supremacists, and fascists list "police officer" as their occupation.

Dan

(3,554 posts)
18. Actually, the individual law enforcement officers must be
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 06:08 PM
Apr 2021

Included in the lawsuit, make them personally liable. Then, when the Union for law enforcement sticks their nose into it, include them in the lawsuit.

Threaten their money..... and with that reality, common sense will be introduced.

Response to Dan (Reply #18)

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
30. What is the answer then? Protests don't seem to be doing much of anything except
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 06:55 PM
Apr 2021

getting more people harassed and hurt.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
54. Or defunding
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 09:20 PM
Apr 2021

Seems most of the ones that get fired are back on the job shortly after due to contract negotiations. Lawsuits cost the various governments many millions every year and have accomplished little, as they dont actually cost the PD's anything, just the tax payers.

Now.. Cut funding of a few pd's by half or so, and replace them with a variety of other services, well funded, and you might see some revisiting of the training by the brass. And if you start making individual officers responsible for any consequences of their actions, that also might bring about some soul searching.

And when half of them quit, or we drop their funding precipitously.. then our cities will have a windfall of funds to put into other, more effective services.

soldierant

(6,857 posts)
13. I am wondering whether there is merely an earthquake
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 05:43 PM
Apr 2021

where Paul Wellstone is buroed because he is spinning in his grave ... or whether there is also a flood because he is weeping.

So much for "Minnesota nice."

crickets

(25,969 posts)
14. Abolish qualified immunity and require liability/malpractice insurance.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 05:44 PM
Apr 2021


Entrée the Giant Cut of meatBurritoSushi @Dub9Giant
Replying to @Ali_Gharib and @mehdirhasan
Qualified immunity is the structural reform that fixes 80% of this shit. Disgusting behavior outside of police regulations should not be insulated from personal responsibility. The effect of one abusive policeman losing everything to a high-profile lawsuit will work wonders.
4:46 PM · Apr 18, 2021




Daryl Banttari @dbanttari Replying to @Dub9Giant @Ali_Gharib and @mehdirhasan
Sure, but then also require cops to get liability/malpractice insurance. Insurance carriers will clear this shit right up because they'll refuse to insure violent cops, and will also likely require training if said training makes them less likely to get sued


They're both right. That would put a stop to a lot of this violent nonsense, and quickly. The problem is getting it done. Police 'unions' are one of the main obstacles. Their power to hamstring efforts in curbing police abuse is far outside what it should be, and something needs to be done about it.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,333 posts)
22. Whatever you wish on police unions, watch for Republicans to use against other public-sector unions.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 06:16 PM
Apr 2021

Like teachers.

crickets

(25,969 posts)
46. That is true, unless the point is made (and it should be) that police unions
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 08:35 PM
Apr 2021

and labor unions are not really the same thing, and have not been from day one.

crickets

(25,969 posts)
51. I'd love to hear more if you're willing to share.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 09:01 PM
Apr 2021

Reading articles doesn't always reflect the reality as well as hearing it from someone involved.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,333 posts)
52. Did you see what happened in St. Paul earlier this week?
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 09:07 PM
Apr 2021

Not so much the cops, but related: The National Guard wanted to stage out of the Labor Center -- which is controlled by the St. Paul Labor Federation. A board member gave them permission, without discussion with the e-board. Rank-and-file activists got wind of it and kicked the Guard out. Leaders are issuing statements right and left. Some are super pissed and roundly condemned the move to kick the Guard out. Others were more diplomatic. It's a private discussion that got forced into the public. Myself, I'm embarrassed any union member would be fine with having the Guard hang out in a building we owned.

crickets

(25,969 posts)
55. Oopsies.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 09:33 PM
Apr 2021

Even if it weren't the NG, should a single board member be able to lend out the facility? I am also surprised that anyone on the board of a labor federation would forget that rank and file union members might be a wee bit upset that law enforcement of any kind be allowed to use the Labor Center. Wow. Thanks for the insider view.

druidity33

(6,446 posts)
47. A Union Contract
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 08:36 PM
Apr 2021

can't contravene or even circumvent State or Federal Law. Contract clauses have to get renegotiated all the time based on changes in the law/legislature.



kimbutgar

(21,137 posts)
16. It feels like the police unions are instructing their members to be more violent and rough of people
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 06:00 PM
Apr 2021

Someone needs to investigate these police unions and see who is giving home their marching orders. I seem to remember some orange maniac giving speeches to these police unions telling them to rough up citizens.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
38. Which includes the unions.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 07:14 PM
Apr 2021

Over the 30 years I've been paying attention to it, to the limit I've seen it, the central source of resistance for any police reform has been the police unions.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
20. Cops roughed up the press last summer too
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 06:13 PM
Apr 2021

and even shot several with tear gas and rubber bullets, assaulted some and arrested many.

Even the standing rock protests saw cops roughing up the press and legal observers. They don't care who is recording it on video.

Irish_Dem

(47,026 posts)
24. This is a typical taunt/insult to Asian Americans.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 06:17 PM
Apr 2021

Quite an ironic one, because most Asian Americans raised in the US speak better English than the racists who hurl the insult.

True Dough

(17,304 posts)
25. I bet that holds true in this case
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 06:23 PM
Apr 2021

I'd put my money on a CNN producer's grasp of the lexicon over that of a cop.

Irish_Dem

(47,026 posts)
27. Exactly, that is why it is so insulting.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 06:50 PM
Apr 2021

And makes the Asian Americans angry.
They are insulted this way by people who cannot correctly string two words together.

IcyPeas

(21,866 posts)
28. *Here's video of another journo being "processed" AND photographed by a cop.... and maced
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 06:52 PM
Apr 2021
Star Tribune journalists @shijundu and @ByLizSawyer being “processed” by Minnesota Sate Patrol after documenting mass arrest tonight in Brooklyn Center.


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@AFPphoto journalist @EleonoreSens and another member of the press is maced by Minnesota Police after an unlawful assembly is declared in Brooklyn Center, MN


?s=19

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
61. Precisely dick, I'd wager.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 10:29 AM
Apr 2021

Because the system is set up against them, too. We all know what happens to cops who stand up against other cops.

Restructuring, liability, and civilian oversight are probably the only ways we're gonna fix this.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,333 posts)
57. This country is a white supremacy. Just because we have a progressive history in MN doesn't mean
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 09:36 PM
Apr 2021

have divested ourselves of white supremacy.

bdamomma

(63,846 posts)
44. Horrible
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 07:58 PM
Apr 2021

treatment, she complied but was still thrown to the ground for what??? because she was targeted as Asian American woman???? WTF?
this arrogance has got to end.

I hope she gets some sort of justice.

DFW

(54,370 posts)
53. If the State of Minnesota won't or can't do anything about this, the DOJ in Washington should
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 09:14 PM
Apr 2021

This is fast becoming a constitutional issue involving freedom of the press, not to mention assault and battery being perpetrated on members of the press by thugs operating under the protection of some very undeserved badges. Find out who these thugs are. Expose them. Fire them. Indict them. Jail them, and make such an example of them that like-minded Republican assholes choose to go into professional wrestling or rodeo bull-riding instead of "enforcing" laws about which they obviously know nothing.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
60. America
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 10:09 AM
Apr 2021

is a land where trump/miller/GQP/RW media have agitated to be racially/culturally divided and violently-chaotically out of control. Especially in this area of racist men and women having the power of life and death over their fellow human beings. Especially if unarmed, usually innocent and lethally used against POC.

The human being is so easily manipulated by so-called 'leaders' of ill faith like RW GQP members. And those like trump, green, and the rest of the sociopathic ego driven monsters who seek power and control over their fellow citizens.

70ish and definitely glad the future is limited for me.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
62. Well, for entering the country illegally to bring COVID to this side of the Pacific,
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 11:51 AM
Apr 2021

she gets what she gets. Amirite?

JFC A major retraining in police procedures, or a rewrite of those procedures isn't totally necessary. A quick scan of the Bill of Rights ought to be enough guidance, don't you think?

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