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WarGamer

(12,491 posts)
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:32 AM Apr 2021

Holy Crap. India is getting clobbered.

275,000 new cases yesterday with 1625 deaths.

Damn... all the vaccine mfg need to quadruple production like TOMORROW... we need to get shots in arms, worldwide.

Look at these numbers:

From yesterday

France, 30k new cases and 140 deaths
Turkey 56k new cases and 318 deaths
Germany 13k new cases and 65 deaths
Brazil 43k new cases and 1583 deaths
Mexico 4k new cases but 535 deaths

This thing is headed in the wrong damn direction in some parts of the world...

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Holy Crap. India is getting clobbered. (Original Post) WarGamer Apr 2021 OP
If they are, then so are we. enki23 Apr 2021 #1
Big problem- India has a double mutant varant womanofthehills Apr 2021 #8
Brazil, India, and Turkey... BGBD Apr 2021 #2
Brazil also has about the same total numbers as the US womanofthehills Apr 2021 #13
to be fair BGBD Apr 2021 #15
Dr Olsterholm, who is on CNN or MSNBC, BigmanPigman Apr 2021 #19
Brazil has 214 million people womanofthehills Apr 2021 #20
Go look at the trends BGBD Apr 2021 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2021 #3
India manufactures vaccines and the Government is giving them to other countries before JI7 Apr 2021 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2021 #7
Not much that can be done. The people are a problem also with the Indian version of MAGA JI7 Apr 2021 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2021 #10
Yes, and he said once he can get this country covered he will help out others JI7 Apr 2021 #12
But this is a new mutation the vaccines might be useless against womanofthehills Apr 2021 #14
India has given out 100 million doses womanofthehills Apr 2021 #21
Indian govt is corrupt tirebiter Apr 2021 #16
This is one of the Indian Govt's Top assholes Amit Shah and he held a roadshow just like yesterday JI7 Apr 2021 #5
...... OhioChick Apr 2021 #23
Oh no. Brazil and India are eyeball deep in Covid. I sure hope they can FlyingPiggy Apr 2021 #6
That's heavily due to the BJP. roamer65 Apr 2021 #11
So is Bolsonaro BGBD Apr 2021 #17
Good. roamer65 Apr 2021 #18
Brazil, India, world, other countries stats. World daily new cases hit a record abt 3 days ago progree Apr 2021 #22
Don't forget... Europe to hit 1 million deaths in the next week. WarGamer Apr 2021 #25

enki23

(7,791 posts)
1. If they are, then so are we.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:39 AM
Apr 2021

Per capita, their death rate (presuming these numbers to be correct, for what that's worth) is about the same as ours right now. Not to say it isn't a serious problem. Now Brazil, on the other hand, is a very, very serious problem.

womanofthehills

(8,798 posts)
13. Brazil also has about the same total numbers as the US
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:17 AM
Apr 2021

The Brazil variant and the double mutant India variant might evade our vaccines. Pfizer is working on a booster for the African strain but what about the new Indian double mutant strain that seems to be more deadly. This is worrisome.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
15. to be fair
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:23 AM
Apr 2021

we are still recovering from a far right nationalist ourselves.

We had something like a 50% higher population than Brazil. Their deaths are skyrocketing as ours have crashed. I think Biden's vaccination push has been pretty effective. I heard the same thing about the UK variant. I remember being told the next 12 weeks would be the worst we had seen because of it...and that was something like 8 weeks ago. So far that just hasn't been the case.

BigmanPigman

(51,648 posts)
19. Dr Olsterholm, who is on CNN or MSNBC,
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 03:41 AM
Apr 2021

said that due to the variants the worst period for the US will be between April and July. He is usually pretty accurate in his assessments.

Response to WarGamer (Original post)

JI7

(89,283 posts)
4. India manufactures vaccines and the Government is giving them to other countries before
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:47 AM
Apr 2021

making sure their own population is vaccinated .

Response to JI7 (Reply #4)

JI7

(89,283 posts)
9. Not much that can be done. The people are a problem also with the Indian version of MAGA
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:12 AM
Apr 2021

I feel bad for those who don't support that and they are trying but it's difficult.

Response to JI7 (Reply #9)

JI7

(89,283 posts)
12. Yes, and he said once he can get this country covered he will help out others
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:16 AM
Apr 2021

I think the J&J was supposed to be the key to that because it's one shot and easier to transport.

JI7

(89,283 posts)
5. This is one of the Indian Govt's Top assholes Amit Shah and he held a roadshow just like yesterday
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:52 AM
Apr 2021


progree

(10,929 posts)
22. Brazil, India, world, other countries stats. World daily new cases hit a record abt 3 days ago
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 04:05 AM
Apr 2021

This is something I prepared tonight on another thread that was about Brazil. But the below article has a lot on India. I also added India to my list of sample countries --

Excerpts from https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/04/17/worldwide-covid19-death-toll-surpasses-3-million
just on Brazil:

Worldwide COVID-19 death toll surpasses 3 million, AP, 4/17/21

In Brazil, where deaths are running at about 3,000 per day, accounting for one-quarter of the lives lost worldwide in recent weeks, the crisis has been likened to a “raging inferno” by one WHO official. A more contagious variant of the virus has been rampaging across the country.

As cases surge, hospitals are running out of critical sedatives. As a result, there have been reports of some doctors diluting what supplies remain and even tying patients to their beds while breathing tubes are pushed down their throats.

The slow vaccine rollout has crushed Brazilians’ pride in their own history of carrying out huge immunization campaigns that were the envy of the developing world.

Taking cues from President Jair Bolsonaro, who has likened the virus to little more than a flu, his Health Ministry for months bet big on a single vaccine, ignoring other producers. When bottlenecks emerged, it was too late to get large quantities in time.


They also talk about India a lot. What's especially alarming is that India has stopped exporting vaccines, because of very strong and growing domestic needs. They were once a vaccine-exporting powerhouse

As for the world, daily new Covid cases (7 day moving average) reached a record about 3 days ago, exceeding its former January 11 all time high, but has backed off a bit in the last 3 days.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/coronavirus-maps.html

On daily new Covid cases (7 day moving average per 100k), Brazil is not much worse than the U.S. and less than a number of European countries and southern South America neighbors:

United States: 20

Brazil: 29
Argentina: 47
Uruguay: 74
Chile: 37

France: 49
Sweden: 60
Poland: 43

India: 13


The world's highest daily new Covid death rate countries (7 day moving average of deaths per 100k), ranked highest to lowest: (leaving out some micro nations and micro islands), Brazil is a standout...

Hungary: 2.58
Bosnia and Herzegovina: 2.11
Uruguay: 1.60
Bulgaria: 1.58
North Macedonia: 1.47
Slovakia: 1.42
Poland: 1.36
Brazil: 1.26
Ukraine, Croatia, Paraguay, Kosovo, Peru, Czech Republic Romania, Greece, ...
...
dot dot dot
United States: 0.23
...
India: 0.07

At least Brazil's new case rate and new death rate are headed down after peaking in March and early April respectively.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/americas/brazil-coronavirus-cases.html

Of course all of the above for all countries is REPORTED cases and REPORTED deaths. I don't vouch for or defend their accuracy.

Folks, in all fairness, populous countries will have more cases and deaths. It's more fair to compare countries in per capita cases (e.g. per 100k population like the above), and more in line with one's risk of getting infected if one is visiting or living there. Just like we get mad as hell when some rightie compares some barely inhabited red state's total cases and death's to California's or New York's, and then claims this as proof that masks and vaccines and socialism don't work.

India has more than 21 times the population that France does. So comparing, for example, India to France on a raw case count and raw death count is very misleading if one doesn't keep that in mind. I'm not saying that the OP is doing that, but it's easy for the casual reader to make that comparison without realizing how great the population difference is. I was surprised when I made the calculation.

Brazil has 3.3 times the population of France.
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