I'm debating voter fraud with this knucklehead

[Sugarcoated]

I know the claim in the second message, it's bullshit, but my brain isn't working today. I don't normally get this kind of answer when I challenge the voter fraud claims.

Dave S
It is beyond easy to file for and submit a vote ballot for countless thousands of fraud voters..... especially with NO ID and especially with NO signature check.
Even WITH a so- called “signature check”...... who is an expert in detecting forgeries!?? Certainly not the amateur poll workers on Election Day.
· Reply · 17h

Me
What "countless fraud voters"?
· Reply · 14h

Dave S
Unless a voter shows up in person with ID, unless there is proof of who exactly submitted a mail in ballot.... it’s just conjecture as to who actually filled out that mail-in ballot.
As I’ve said before, there are five eligible voters in my house. I could’ve filled out all five of those mail- in ballots.... and no one would’ve ever known.
Many states allow instant applications for a voter ballot...... whereby you can simply put that ballot into an unsecured drop-box minutes later without ever providing proof to anyone as to your exact identification.
This entire 2020 election was a fraud in motion.

[Binkie The Clown]

1. Debating a knucklehead is like digging a hole in the ocean. An endless, futile, waste of time. nt

[Sugarcoated]

3. I know

But I responded to it. I don't feel right letting lies hang there like they're true.

[Ocelot II]

8. Or like mud-wrestling with a pig.

You just get dirty, and the pig likes it.

[blm]

2. Wouldn't the 4 other voters in his house know he committed fraud

and kick his ass for stealing their votes?

[SWBTATTReg]

12. And if I were one of those voters (or someone listening to this moron), I would report him

for possible voter fraud himself. If he's talking so much about it, must be something going on w/ him...how did he get to 'know' so much about it? Most of the very few voter fraud cases I've heard about have been republicans pumping up the votes for their candidates...

[CrispyQ]

14. If the person is a domestic abuser, probably not.

This is my one argument against mail-in ballots, that a household bully could hoard the ballots & vote them.

[samnsara]

4. in my mind ive had these arguments and I always say..'In 2016 when the election was stolen

...from us.. we buckled under and tried to make this country work. I suggest you take the same approach.'

[sop]

9. And in 2000.

[TheRealNorth]

5. A photo ID can be faked as well

So it is no guarantee. Just ask Matt Gaetz.

[Sugarcoated]

6. Lol

Yup

[jmbar2]

7. Check out the Heritage Foundation's Voter Fraud Database for data arguments

Conservative source, btw...

HF shows pathetically low fraud. Some cases filed multiple times, a lot of human error presented as fraud.

In the few fraud cases, you find small time politicians pulling stunts and getting caught. Often republican. Also some GOTV fake registrations by poor people paid to register people to vote, but faking the signatures.

Oregon is a good case for the ID argument. We've had vote-by-mail since 1998. But hardly any fake ID cases. Very low fraud numbers.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

[mikeysnot]

13. The cons love to lump

Voter registration fraud with voter fraud and blur them together so they can engage in election fraud.

[RegularJam]

10. Those are the only simpleton replies I get when debating the expansion of voting.

I normally start with the obvious falsehoods.

There is proof of who submitted the mail in ballot. ID had to have been shown at some point in order for them to have received their ballot. That is an accurate statement for every state. Signatures are verified on every ballot.

The drop boxes are secured. The least secure part about drop boxes are the fact that Republicans want them disrupted and limited.

Next I would state that they didn't answer your question of "What countless fraud voters." They literally didn't answer it in any way whatsoever. They literally deflected and presented a fallacy, an unethical debating tactic meant to put you on your heels.

"I could’ve filled out all five of those mail- in ballots.... and no one would’ve ever known." That's voter fraud and to state that "no one would've ever known" is absolute malarkey. There are numerous steps in place to catch such fraud.

Then I would follow it up by asking them why they hate the military so much and want so many of their votes invalidated.

Fact: ID had to have been shown at some point in order to get a mail in ballot. It must match the address. The signature must match.

[Sugarcoated]

15. Nice, thank you

[brooklynite]

11. A simple question to ask...

Name a Republican Attorney General who investigated and arrested people for voter fraud.

[Sugarcoated]

16. Yeah, bingo

So many reasons the claims are absurd

[StarfishSaver]

17. You can ask him why this was never an issue when mail in voters were mostly white

And then not waste anymore time arguing with this idiot.