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Is the defense trying to get Chauvin convicted? (Original Post) mcar Apr 2021 OP
He wants to confuse the jurors. madaboutharry Apr 2021 #1
Actually he's hoping to convince only ONE juror. Rustyeye77 Apr 2021 #23
He's mostly bolstering the prosecution's case so far. sop Apr 2021 #2
He really is mcar Apr 2021 #5
exculpatory in the minds of the markie Apr 2021 #3
I was about to post the same thing! I'm listening to this, not Raven Apr 2021 #4
He must be hoping for that one mcar Apr 2021 #6
He repeats Nine Twenty Nine duhneece Apr 2021 #7
Plus his drumming "a reasonable police officer" when his client is not one! UTUSN Apr 2021 #8
IKR sheshe2 Apr 2021 #9
He's trying to establish that the use of force was reasonable and thus authorized. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #10
One assumes the prosecution will rebut reminding the jury mcar Apr 2021 #11
"Reasonable police officer" seems to be all he's saying, repeating it over and over again. sop Apr 2021 #12
Exactly. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #13
I am just so afraid of that one juror that will not think it was murder. a kennedy Apr 2021 #14
That's exactly what the defense is aiming at. It just takes one who doesn't bend. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #15
Holy Craps - Dude just went "like we've all heard of the pregnant woman lifting a car" maxrandb Apr 2021 #16
I'm gobsmacked by this whole thing mcar Apr 2021 #17
Maybe they are simply figuring that they have at least Bettie Apr 2021 #18
By the end of Nelson's closing, he'll want the jury to believe Chauvin was trying to save Floyd's sop Apr 2021 #19
Great minds think alike PCIntern Apr 2021 #22
I was wondering the same thing liberal_mama Apr 2021 #20
He's done several things I find puzzling Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #21
Now he's showing George Floyd eating a banana? mcar Apr 2021 #24

madaboutharry

(40,207 posts)
1. He wants to confuse the jurors.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:28 PM
Apr 2021

He is attempting to get them mixed up so they don’t know what to believe. Such bullshit.

On rebuttal the prosecution will remind them to believe their own eyes.

mcar

(42,302 posts)
5. He really is
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:34 PM
Apr 2021

I get that he's got nothing, but he's just blathering on and then showing the videos.

Raven

(13,889 posts)
4. I was about to post the same thing! I'm listening to this, not
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:33 PM
Apr 2021

watching, and the videos sound awful. Floyd sounds like a drowning man pleading for help. Again, this doesn't mean a thing if there is one person on the jury looking to deny what they've seen.

mcar

(42,302 posts)
6. He must be hoping for that one
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:35 PM
Apr 2021

He keeps saying "reasonable," as if any of this is reasonable. He just actually mocked the prosecution focusing on 9 min. 29 sec.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,326 posts)
10. He's trying to establish that the use of force was reasonable and thus authorized.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:47 PM
Apr 2021

If jurors determine the use of force was reasonable and thus authorized, they can't convict. All the defense needs to do is create a doubt around that point. It's horrifying to rewatch the video like this, but the defense is trying to establish this is all by the book.

mcar

(42,302 posts)
11. One assumes the prosecution will rebut reminding the jury
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:03 PM
Apr 2021

that even the chief of police said it wasn't reasonable force.

sop

(10,156 posts)
12. "Reasonable police officer" seems to be all he's saying, repeating it over and over again.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:03 PM
Apr 2021

I imagine Nelson wants the jury to remember only this one phrase.

a kennedy

(29,647 posts)
14. I am just so afraid of that one juror that will not think it was murder.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:13 PM
Apr 2021

Kinda like the Joe Manchin of the jury. Sorry, this is not the place for that. I am just afraid of that one jurors doubt.

maxrandb

(15,320 posts)
16. Holy Craps - Dude just went "like we've all heard of the pregnant woman lifting a car"
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:23 PM
Apr 2021

Something about Mr. Floyd having "super human strength".

Defense actually arguing that what the evil, murdering fucksticks cop did was "reasonable", because "hey, maybe like a pregnant women whose child is trapped under a car, George Floyd might go all SHAZAM and throw a car at the cops".

That's some insane shit.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
18. Maybe they are simply figuring that they have at least
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:35 PM
Apr 2021

one "cops are never wrong" guy on the jury and are hoping that the more guilty he looks the more that guy will want to let him off.

Otherwise, I've got nothing.

sop

(10,156 posts)
19. By the end of Nelson's closing, he'll want the jury to believe Chauvin was trying to save Floyd's
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:44 PM
Apr 2021

life, keeping him from thrashing around and injuring himself further by holding him down on the pavement, placing him face down so Floyd wouldn't aspirate his own vomit while experiencing the drug overdose that actually killed him.

PCIntern

(25,532 posts)
22. Great minds think alike
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:58 PM
Apr 2021

I was just thinking the exact same thing. Chauvin should be in line to get a presidential medal of freedom.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
21. He's done several things I find puzzling
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:50 PM
Apr 2021

Last edited Mon Apr 19, 2021, 04:08 PM - Edit history (1)

- space aliens invading Chauvin's body
- repeatedly showing horrific video clips (including one that ends with Chauvin saying, "I got a scratch on my knee . . . I think I'll live&quot
- pregnant woman picking up the car
- misrepresenting the state's burden: that the must prove that none of these other things played any role. That is not generally the standard - although I didn't hear the jury instruction this morning. (I know Chauvin's counsel asked for a standard that is more challenging for the state to meed - don't know if that request was granted.)


ETA (4:07 PM): The judge just confirmed that defense counsel misstated the law as to causation.

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