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Chauvin's attorney just lost the plot. (Original Post) madaboutharry Apr 2021 OP
Not sure why it would be surprising. TwilightZone Apr 2021 #1
And yet he mentions 9 29 over duhneece Apr 2021 #3
I think he's trying to confuse the jurors. TwilightZone Apr 2021 #5
Even Worse WHITT Apr 2021 #2
It probably won't work but I half expect an ineffective counsel complaint to be filed. Siwsan Apr 2021 #4
A friend of mine with 30 years of criminal appellate practice says he's doing a good job. Shrike47 Apr 2021 #7
Especially when there's almost nothing to work with. TwilightZone Apr 2021 #10
I think he's doing a good job and a lot of people here are just unable to view his performance greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #11
He's doing a fine job; people just don't understand what his job is. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #12
I disagree. madaboutharry Apr 2021 #13
I see a lot of posts that imply that they think the defense's job is to "prove" something, and a WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #15
But he is not pleading this case to other attorneys. He's pleading it to a jury of 'lay-people'. Siwsan Apr 2021 #21
I agree and would add magicksmom Apr 2021 #6
He attempted to lower the bar as much as possible in his opening statements... and he's world wide wally Apr 2021 #8
They keep missing one important thing about the bystanders (crowd). The guy that keeps calling brewens Apr 2021 #9
Floyd "injured [his own] nose during the "struggle"..." WTF live love laugh Apr 2021 #14
I couldn't take it anymore Rorey Apr 2021 #16
A "reasonable officer" would have simply removed a handcuffed Floyd from the police car, sop Apr 2021 #20
Gaslighting the jury. nt oasis Apr 2021 #17
Also WHITT Apr 2021 #18
No. He was making an example that you have to look at the whole picture. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #19
He Later Went Back And Fixed It WHITT Apr 2021 #24
I can't watch it anymore... BlueJac Apr 2021 #22
George Floyd didn't die because his heart was too big but duhneece Apr 2021 #23

TwilightZone

(25,428 posts)
1. Not sure why it would be surprising.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:36 PM
Apr 2021

He can't focus on the 9:29 or his client loses. He has to work with what he has, and that's very little, and distract from the obvious.

TwilightZone

(25,428 posts)
5. I think he's trying to confuse the jurors.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:40 PM
Apr 2021

Presenting contradicting statements is a common strategy. Trump's entire presidency was based on it.

Siwsan

(26,250 posts)
4. It probably won't work but I half expect an ineffective counsel complaint to be filed.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:39 PM
Apr 2021

To my uneducated observations, he's been pretty much floundering, from the get go.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
7. A friend of mine with 30 years of criminal appellate practice says he's doing a good job.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:43 PM
Apr 2021

It’s hard to be a defense attorney, much harder than people think.

TwilightZone

(25,428 posts)
10. Especially when there's almost nothing to work with.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:47 PM
Apr 2021

It helps to look at the legal team's actions in context. They have to work with what they have, which isn't much.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
11. I think he's doing a good job and a lot of people here are just unable to view his performance
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:49 PM
Apr 2021

objectively. Reminds me of the people who were clowning Jose Baez and he skillfully took apart the case against Casey Anthony, to be honest.

madaboutharry

(40,190 posts)
13. I disagree.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:56 PM
Apr 2021

I think everyone here knows what his job is. That doesn't mean that we aren't offended by a lot of what he is saying.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,308 posts)
15. I see a lot of posts that imply that they think the defense's job is to "prove" something, and a
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:01 PM
Apr 2021

negative at that -- Chauvin didn't kill George Floyd, that he's not racist, that he's not a terrible person. His job is not to defend Chauvin's actions, although he certainly can do so. It's establish doubt about whether these actions were unauthorized by law. If one juror decides this is reasonable use of force for a police officer, that's all it takes.

Siwsan

(26,250 posts)
21. But he is not pleading this case to other attorneys. He's pleading it to a jury of 'lay-people'.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:38 PM
Apr 2021

Big difference.

I anticipate a thorough dismantling by the prosecution.

magicksmom

(47 posts)
6. I agree and would add
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:41 PM
Apr 2021

That his continuous replay of George Floyd suffering while trying to paint what the officers are doing to him as reasonable is helping the prosecution.

brewens

(13,538 posts)
9. They keep missing one important thing about the bystanders (crowd). The guy that keeps calling
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 01:46 PM
Apr 2021

Chauvin bro. Chauvin is exactly the kind of guy that would be infuriated by that alone. They are supposed to bow down and address him as officer! That could have had a lot to do with why Chauvin wouldn't let up on Floyd. Probably best that the prosecution didn't get into that. I suppose that would have been objected to as speculation.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
16. I couldn't take it anymore
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:03 PM
Apr 2021

I think he said the word "reasonable" about 50 times in five minutes and I had enough.

sop

(10,103 posts)
20. A "reasonable officer" would have simply removed a handcuffed Floyd from the police car,
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:33 PM
Apr 2021

sat him down on the sidewalk, away from moving traffic, allowed him to calm him down while they waited for the arrival of the paramedics who had already been called because he was injured. That's what the arresting officers did earlier; they took Floyd from his vehicle, handcuffed him, sat Floyd down against the building and de-escalated the situation.

An "unreasonable officer" roughly pulled Floyd from the police vehicle, forced him from a kneeling position to the pavement, face down, twisted his arms to cause pain, kneeled on his neck and back for 9:29, then kept his knee on Floyd's neck and back for three minutes, even after he lost consciousness, exhibited no pulse and stopped breathing.

WHITT

(2,868 posts)
18. Also
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:17 PM
Apr 2021

He flat-out lied when claiming that because the prosecution presented evidence that Floyd's blood had a 98% oxygen level, there was no carbon dioxide level, that also meant that he could not have died from lack of oxygen.

Having a 98% oxygen level in your blood is MEANINGLESS if someone is restricting that blood flow to your brain.

What an idiot.


WhiskeyGrinder

(22,308 posts)
19. No. He was making an example that you have to look at the whole picture.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 02:21 PM
Apr 2021

What he said was, he COULD argue that because Floyd's blood had a 98% oxygen level, there was no carbon dioxide level, that also meant that he could not have died from lack of oxygen BUT he wouldn't because it wouldn't be true. What he was saying was, "I could twist all this scientific stuff to fool you, but I won't, I'll speak plainly to you and you can trust me."

(I'm assuming you're referring to when he made this comment near the beginning of the closing statement. I've missed a few parts here and there, so maybe he brought it up again and actually said it.)

WHITT

(2,868 posts)
24. He Later Went Back And Fixed It
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 08:05 PM
Apr 2021

wonder if somebody else on the legal team somehow got a message to him that he effed up?

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