Great question Ana Cabrera- where was the outrage when Trump told his goons to fight like hell

[malaise]

on January 6?

Leave Auntie Maxine alone

[PRETZEL]

1. And she closed by showing

Mo Brooks' "We're taking names and kicking ass" quote.

[gratuitous]

2. Only Democrats are accountable

Anything that can be twisted into some kind of phony nontroversy, Democrats must answer for whatever conservatives can concoct. On the other hand, Republicans can call outright to knock the crap out of people, and the media will twist themselves into complex pretzels of bad logic to explain how what you plainly heard isn't really what the speaker meant. We're so inured to it that we'll even do it for them, like when Sen. Grassley said the loss of the All Star Game in Georgia was going to cost that state 100 million jobs. Ridiculous on its face. But there were plenty of people who jumped up to explain that Grassley obviously meant to say dollars, not jobs, to save the Senator from having to correct himself.

Republicans never have to explain or defend themselves, Democrats always do.

[Thomas Hurt]

3. That is why they are attacking Waters, the christofascists are being held accountable...

so the right has to project and accuse a Democrat of the same thing. Political tit for tat.

[malaise]

4. Auntie Maxine isn't trying to overthrow the election

results - fuck these hypocrites.

[Thomas Hurt]

10. Of course not, they aren't interested in the distinction...

because fighting back against racist police violence is insurrection to the fascists.

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

11. Exactly! Congresswoman Waters is not promoting violence,

she is letting people know they need to make their voices heard and changes need to be made!

[frazzled]

5. Actually, I remember quite a bit of outrage

And the single article of impeachment brought against him after the Capitol incident was for "incitement of insurrection." He was impeached because of those words. And clips of his speech telling the crowd they had to fight like hell was repeated over and over again for several weeks on the news.

There's a difference here, however. While we agree with Rep. Waters that if Chauvin is acquitted that there will have to be significant protests (hopefully peaceful, however), there is a line we might agree was crossed: politicians are usually careful not to make statements during ongoing proceedings of a trial, since a jury might be swayed. (Biden refused to do so until today, when the jury was sequestered and could not be affected.) The judge deemed that he wasn't going to declare a mistrial because of this, because he trusted the jurors to have obeyed his orders not to read or watch any news. However, he stated that this could give the defense, in the case of conviction, grounds for appeal afterward. It's fairly serious.

It's not that the statement was wrong; it was simply wrong to have said it in the midst of ongoing trial proceedings. It could have consequences that would make us all very unhappy. It was intemperate ... although I understand and commiserate with her intemperance.

[malaise]

6. That outrage was from Democrats

not ReTHUGs. I don't see any line crossed here - the world saw that knee on Floyd's neck. Trump and his goons were trying to overthrow the election of Biden.

[frazzled]

7. There was outrage from Republicans, too

Not all, for sure, but surely you remember Mitch McConnell's damning speech; and the seven Republican senators who voted to impeach him specifically because of that speech (Burr, Cassidy, Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Sasse, Toomey). There were quite a few others who criticized the speech, but did not vote to convict.

That is not the point however. I thought I made it clear. The problem—the only problem—with Maxine Water's speech was that it was uttered publicly (and locally) at the site of the trial, while it was still ongoing. It's a technical problem, not a moral one. If Chauvin is found guilty on one or more counts (and I pray to G-d it is all three), there is a good chance that an appeal based on her statement of incitement, could provide grounds for mistrial on appeal.

As I said, I agree with Maxine. I do not agree with her having said it before the jury was sequestered.

[senseandsensibility]

8. When is Ana on CNN?

She's been off her week-end shift for a couple of weeks and is supposed to be starting a new show.

[DAMANgoldberg]

13. She has the 1PM EDT hour now.

A major move for her.

[JI7]

9. Their outrage is that Maxine is a black woman

[malaise]

15. THIS

the truth

[marble falls]

12. What?!?!? The RW wants to cancel Maxine Waters?

[BobTheSubgenius]

14. Sadly these questions are rhetorical. They. Just. Don't. Care.

They have no sense of shame, no apparent knowledge of even the existence of irony.