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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA fast jury decision, usually means a conviction. (O.J. was an exception.)
Just saying and keeping fingers crossed.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,060 posts)This was more like 8 or 9 hours.
I think it's a good sign, but who knows. And I also think they didn't spend much time deliberating the charges, so I'd expect murder.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)jury nullification
n. Refusal of a jury to find a defendant guilty, even when the facts establish guilt, because of a conclusion that conviction would be contrary to some other concept of justice.
n. An acquittal by a jury of a defendant ignoring the facts of the case and/or the law.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)they let a double-murderer go free
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,060 posts)The glove. If you ignore everything else about the trial, even everything the defense said, it was all about that glove. The prosecutors had him try that glove on, they said it will fit him and that will be their case. They gave the jury all the reasonable doubt they needed when the glove may or may not have fit. Just the dumbest thing possible to try, especially after everything the prosecution said about that glove.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)Especially having him try it over a latex glove. What did they expect to happen.
Also not finding the picture with him in the notorious shoes. I mean, given the money they spent, they couldn't find that piece of tape.
Johnny2X2X
(19,060 posts)I mean, they repeated that the killer wore these gloves hundreds of times, so when Simpson tried to glove on and it didn't fit, I mean jeesh, that was just unreal. The defense attorneys could have done it themselves the same way and been very effective, but for the prosecution to do it for them was just insane. I could totally have seen the defense basing their entire defense on that glove with the hopes of having OJ try it on and not having it fit. "Ya see, they said the killer wore this glove, that's the key to their whole case, the glove doesn't fit my client, I rest."
Staph
(6,251 posts)if any of those prosecution folks were from a northern climate.
Everyone who lives where there is snow knows that wet leather gloves shrink. Badly. Those gloves were drenched in blood. And then OJ was asked to put on the shrunken leather gloves over a pair of latex gloves. I'd bet serious money that he couldn't put on a pair of properly fitted leather gloves over latex gloves. They should have shown the jury those gloves, and then explain the gloves' wrinkled, gnarly appearance as being due to the blood. And remind the jury that OJ owned the same brand and size of gloves, gloves that he was unable to produce after the murders.
Johnny2X2X
(19,060 posts)It's easy to contort your hand just slightly and make it look like any pair of leather gloves don't fit. I could do it with a pair of leather gloves two sizes too big.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)nm
-misanthroptimist
(810 posts)The jury rendered the right verdict in that case, imo, based on the evidence that they heard. We in the public heard a lot more.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)there are many folk in jail for far less evidence than they presented for OJ - there was no doubt he did it
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)exboyfil
(17,862 posts)Skittles
(153,150 posts)but letting off a double-murderer? Inexcusable......utterly sickening.
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)-misanthroptimist
(810 posts)You're entitled to your opinion.
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)-misanthroptimist
(810 posts)I can neither corroborate nor refute the juror's statement. But without further verifiable evidence it's nothing more than one person's assertion.
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Ms. Toad
(34,066 posts)would be if they bought the defense argument on causation. That would eliminate a conviction on all three.
I hope that isn't it - but 10 hours would be a reasonable period of time to decide that overriding issue.
WarGamer
(12,440 posts)that I think are 100% on the GUILTY train, like the Nurse.
The only not guilty finding will be because of a negotiation to get the jurors to stand together.
Possibly a negotiated NG on Murder2 to have a unanimous G on M3 and MS.
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,010 posts)But, on the jury I was on just before the COVID lockdown, we were 30-35 minutes from jury instructions to adjournment. One vote; 12-0 not guilty.
That said, you may be right in most cases.