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A fast jury decision, usually means a conviction. (O.J. was an exception.) (Original Post) MoonRiver Apr 2021 OP
I kinda feel the same way. But still nervous. n/t TDale313 Apr 2021 #1
I am too, but every legal pundit I have ever heard says the same thing. MoonRiver Apr 2021 #2
OJ's jury deliberated less than 4 hours total Johnny2X2X Apr 2021 #3
O.J.'s jury committed jury nullification. MoonRiver Apr 2021 #4
they were sickening Skittles Apr 2021 #6
Exactly MoonRiver Apr 2021 #7
Yeah, the prosecution blew that case badly Johnny2X2X Apr 2021 #9
Worst anti-Perry Mason moment ever exboyfil Apr 2021 #13
Just criminally bad decisions Johnny2X2X Apr 2021 #18
The glove evidence could have been devastating, Staph Apr 2021 #19
And why have him try it on at all? Johnny2X2X Apr 2021 #20
Yep, hopeful because these folks did a great job Cosmocat Apr 2021 #21
The State botched the prosecution of OJ -misanthroptimist Apr 2021 #5
nonsense Skittles Apr 2021 #8
One of the oj jurors said it was revenge for Rodney King nt maryellen99 Apr 2021 #10
Here I thought that was Reginald Denny exboyfil Apr 2021 #14
I imagine they had plenty reason to be angry Skittles Apr 2021 #24
Yep nt maryellen99 Apr 2021 #26
And that's iyo -misanthroptimist Apr 2021 #12
Not my opinion juror actually came out and said this maryellen99 Apr 2021 #17
And that's one juror's opinion -misanthroptimist Apr 2021 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author helpisontheway Apr 2021 #23
The one possiblity for a quick conviction here - Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #11
There are some on the Jury... based on their BIO WarGamer Apr 2021 #16
I'm surprised by how quickly they are back. nt Ilsa Apr 2021 #15
Probably So ProfessorGAC Apr 2021 #25

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
3. OJ's jury deliberated less than 4 hours total
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 03:51 PM
Apr 2021

This was more like 8 or 9 hours.

I think it's a good sign, but who knows. And I also think they didn't spend much time deliberating the charges, so I'd expect murder.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
4. O.J.'s jury committed jury nullification.
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 03:55 PM
Apr 2021

jury nullification
n. Refusal of a jury to find a defendant guilty, even when the facts establish guilt, because of a conclusion that conviction would be contrary to some other concept of justice.
n. An acquittal by a jury of a defendant ignoring the facts of the case and/or the law.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
9. Yeah, the prosecution blew that case badly
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 04:02 PM
Apr 2021

The glove. If you ignore everything else about the trial, even everything the defense said, it was all about that glove. The prosecutors had him try that glove on, they said it will fit him and that will be their case. They gave the jury all the reasonable doubt they needed when the glove may or may not have fit. Just the dumbest thing possible to try, especially after everything the prosecution said about that glove.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
13. Worst anti-Perry Mason moment ever
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 04:05 PM
Apr 2021

Especially having him try it over a latex glove. What did they expect to happen.

Also not finding the picture with him in the notorious shoes. I mean, given the money they spent, they couldn't find that piece of tape.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
18. Just criminally bad decisions
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 04:15 PM
Apr 2021

I mean, they repeated that the killer wore these gloves hundreds of times, so when Simpson tried to glove on and it didn't fit, I mean jeesh, that was just unreal. The defense attorneys could have done it themselves the same way and been very effective, but for the prosecution to do it for them was just insane. I could totally have seen the defense basing their entire defense on that glove with the hopes of having OJ try it on and not having it fit. "Ya see, they said the killer wore this glove, that's the key to their whole case, the glove doesn't fit my client, I rest."

Staph

(6,251 posts)
19. The glove evidence could have been devastating,
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 04:19 PM
Apr 2021

if any of those prosecution folks were from a northern climate.

Everyone who lives where there is snow knows that wet leather gloves shrink. Badly. Those gloves were drenched in blood. And then OJ was asked to put on the shrunken leather gloves over a pair of latex gloves. I'd bet serious money that he couldn't put on a pair of properly fitted leather gloves over latex gloves. They should have shown the jury those gloves, and then explain the gloves' wrinkled, gnarly appearance as being due to the blood. And remind the jury that OJ owned the same brand and size of gloves, gloves that he was unable to produce after the murders.


Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
20. And why have him try it on at all?
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 04:23 PM
Apr 2021

It's easy to contort your hand just slightly and make it look like any pair of leather gloves don't fit. I could do it with a pair of leather gloves two sizes too big.

-misanthroptimist

(810 posts)
5. The State botched the prosecution of OJ
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 03:58 PM
Apr 2021

The jury rendered the right verdict in that case, imo, based on the evidence that they heard. We in the public heard a lot more.

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
8. nonsense
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 04:01 PM
Apr 2021

there are many folk in jail for far less evidence than they presented for OJ - there was no doubt he did it

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
24. I imagine they had plenty reason to be angry
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 05:57 PM
Apr 2021

but letting off a double-murderer? Inexcusable......utterly sickening.

-misanthroptimist

(810 posts)
22. And that's one juror's opinion
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 04:28 PM
Apr 2021

I can neither corroborate nor refute the juror's statement. But without further verifiable evidence it's nothing more than one person's assertion.

Response to -misanthroptimist (Reply #5)

Ms. Toad

(34,066 posts)
11. The one possiblity for a quick conviction here -
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 04:04 PM
Apr 2021

would be if they bought the defense argument on causation. That would eliminate a conviction on all three.

I hope that isn't it - but 10 hours would be a reasonable period of time to decide that overriding issue.

WarGamer

(12,440 posts)
16. There are some on the Jury... based on their BIO
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 04:11 PM
Apr 2021

that I think are 100% on the GUILTY train, like the Nurse.

The only not guilty finding will be because of a negotiation to get the jurors to stand together.

Possibly a negotiated NG on Murder2 to have a unanimous G on M3 and MS.

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
25. Probably So
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 06:02 PM
Apr 2021

But, on the jury I was on just before the COVID lockdown, we were 30-35 minutes from jury instructions to adjournment. One vote; 12-0 not guilty.
That said, you may be right in most cases.

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