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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 04:11 PM Apr 2021

I sent the Florida Chamber of Congress an email last evening explaining that as long as

DeSantis was their governor, we would not be spending any of our time or money in their state. I told them I could not justify taking any of my family to a state where there were people who claimed the legal right to gun them down if they scared someone or run them down in the street if they were thought to be protesters.

I closed by telling them that California and Hawaii also have beaches and they are still civil democracies, not third-world autocracies.

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I sent the Florida Chamber of Congress an email last evening explaining that as long as (Original Post) Atticus Apr 2021 OP
Well done. efhmc Apr 2021 #1
K&R and good for you. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2021 #2
I did mention that, judging from the way the DeSantis handled covid vaccinations, we could not be Atticus Apr 2021 #4
Well, if this is any consolation... luvtheGWN Apr 2021 #17
Kudos!!! Talitha Apr 2021 #3
Honestly, I don't really think they will GAF. lpbk2713 Apr 2021 #5
So, we should just keep our mouths shut? I had no illusions that my one email would Atticus Apr 2021 #6
Ya did good. Kudos! Cozmo Apr 2021 #22
Thank you - You set the example for the rest of us. Tiger8 Apr 2021 #29
Florida survives on tourist dollars radical noodle Apr 2021 #7
Florida is a very large state. Many people working in many different industries... mac2766 Apr 2021 #13
Be that as it may.. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #16
+1 spooky3 Apr 2021 #18
Oh goodness. mac2766 Apr 2021 #21
I think you may have misunderstood me radical noodle Apr 2021 #27
Sorry... mac2766 Apr 2021 #37
Bigotry??? MerryHolidays Apr 2021 #30
There ya go again! You actually read the entire OP, used common sense and then typed Atticus Apr 2021 #33
again? mac2766 Apr 2021 #38
The OP is referring to me, not you. MerryHolidays Apr 2021 #40
Not a beloved Florida.. Just saying that... mac2766 Apr 2021 #36
Again, where EXACTLY does the OP attack Flordians? MerryHolidays Apr 2021 #39
This will be the very first reference to President Obama mac2766 Apr 2021 #41
You're the one calling folks "bigots"! You're CLEARLY the angry one here! MerryHolidays Apr 2021 #42
And I just realized you're calling several of us "hypocrites" too, in addition to "bigots" MerryHolidays Apr 2021 #43
I am, and no. mac2766 Apr 2021 #44
Somehow, I don't think you're going to last too long on DU MerryHolidays Apr 2021 #46
Write to Disney they really run Florida Oppaloopa Apr 2021 #32
Contact VISIT Florida csziggy Apr 2021 #8
Thank you, you get it! Cozmo Apr 2021 #23
I always send hand written or typed correspondence.... SergeStorms Apr 2021 #9
jolly good show . most eggscllent. AllaN01Bear Apr 2021 #10
North Carolina has a blue gov. Are you aware of that? Treefrog Apr 2021 #14
Now THAT is IT! ancianita Apr 2021 #11
The CoC is who you tell that you wont be opening any new offices of your business in FL ZonkerHarris Apr 2021 #12
Also when the cruise industry re opens I will not leave on any cruise out of florida kimbutgar Apr 2021 #15
GOOD. Hit 'em where it'll hurt them the most: calimary Apr 2021 #19
And guess what... N.J also got some of the best beaches in the country.... 3Hotdogs Apr 2021 #20
Hmmm. I admire what you did. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2021 #24
Nice one!!! BobTheSubgenius Apr 2021 #25
Hey that's a great idea JPPaverage Apr 2021 #26
Most excellent. I will do the same. They don't know that I had no intention of ever going there. niyad Apr 2021 #28
This could be the beginning of a mass movement - to write to the shit states' politicians. Rabrrrrrr Apr 2021 #31
Disney World should probably get a message like this pandr32 Apr 2021 #34
We went to Virginia Beach Jilly_in_VA Apr 2021 #35
I think you mean, "The Florida Chamber of Commerce." twin_ghost Apr 2021 #45
Jeez! I sure did! Thanks for the correction. Spellcheck strikes again! nt Atticus Apr 2021 #47
Woman in grocery market today... jumptheshadow Apr 2021 #48

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,491 posts)
2. K&R and good for you.
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 04:23 PM
Apr 2021

Now if only several million other people would do the same, it might get some Rethug's attention and perhaps even in Washington!

Tourism contributions to Florida Republicans must be massive, as well as in other coastal states.

Not just guns, there's also the issue of disregarding coronavirus safety recommendations so tourist spots cans re-open or remain open.

KY

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
4. I did mention that, judging from the way the DeSantis handled covid vaccinations, we could not be
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 04:29 PM
Apr 2021

sure we could get medical care in their state if we needed it because---we aren't millionaires who contribute to the governor's PAC.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
17. Well, if this is any consolation...
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 06:41 PM
Apr 2021

....due to Covid, there are millions of Canadian snowbirds who stayed home this winter.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
5. Honestly, I don't really think they will GAF.
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 04:29 PM
Apr 2021


CofCs are notoriously RW and your email will probably go right to the circular file.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
6. So, we should just keep our mouths shut? I had no illusions that my one email would
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 04:38 PM
Apr 2021

change things just like I understand that my one vote will seldom decide an election. But, I vote Democratic in every election and I do my best to call out arrogant asses like DeSantis.

The email didn't cost me a dime and it made me feel better. I can't control what is done with my words, but I will continue to speak them.

 

Tiger8

(432 posts)
29. Thank you - You set the example for the rest of us.
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 09:05 AM
Apr 2021

Yes, C of C are rightwing, but for economic reasons - low taxes and lax regulation - showing they only care about money.

When enough people take their tourist dollars elsewhere because of right wingers running Florida, the voters and business community will take notice. I do my best to boycott anything coming from a Red State.

Do you remember anti-gay activist Anita Bryant, who was also the spokesperson for Florida Orange Juice? Once Florida oranges were boycotted and started rotting on the trees, Florida dumped her, and dumped her fast. If DeSantis makes Florida toxic, the business community will shut off their support.

 

mac2766

(658 posts)
13. Florida is a very large state. Many people working in many different industries...
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 05:58 PM
Apr 2021

The state of Florida is much MUCH larger than the Disney theme park.

I've lived in this state for almost 30 years and I've never had to rely on the grace of visitors for my well being.

Not upset with you in any way, but you might want to consider not making such a sweeping statement in the future.

Not so much from your comment, but from many others I've seen on DU. I realize that it's easy to make fun of Floridians, like it was once easy to make fun of people who come from or live in Poland. Bigotry is bigotry, no matter the state or country that you're living in.

ShazzieB

(16,396 posts)
16. Be that as it may..
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 06:36 PM
Apr 2021

"Florida is the top travel destination in the world, relying on tourism to drive its economy more than any other state." https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/011316/floridas-economy-6-industries-driving-gdp-growth.asp

"Tourism is key to Florida’s competitiveness. The truth is that visitors to Florida help 'pay the bills' and help ensure Floridians don’t pay a personal income tax. Florida’s tourism industry brings in more than $6 billion in state taxes, and more than $5 billion in local taxes which in turn helps fund schools, improve healthcare and support other government services." https://www.flchamber.com/tourism-is-key-to-floridas-competitiveness/

Yes, Florida has a diverse economy, but tourism is a very big part of it. As a resident of the state, you may not be personally dependent on the "grace of visitors" in a direct way, but it's impacting your well-being and that of the state as a whole in many more ways than you realize.

 

mac2766

(658 posts)
37. Sorry...
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 06:24 PM
Apr 2021

I've been reading endless posts from people on DU who believe that it's okay to make fun of groups of people who just happen to live in Florida.

I may have jumped on your post too quickly. The paragraph related to my problem was not meant for you directly.

Bigotry in any form needs to stop. I'm not harmed in anyway by it, but I find the hypocrisy unbearable.

MerryHolidays

(7,715 posts)
30. Bigotry???
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 09:09 AM
Apr 2021

Wow. Bigotry???

I guess President Obama is a bigot, based on your standard...Who would have thought?!


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-florida-man-trump_n_5f948789c5b6a2e1fb61d49a

Obama To Floridians: Even ‘Florida Man’ Wouldn’t Behave Like Trump Does
“It won’t be so exhausting, just having a normal president,” former President Barack Obama told a Florida crowd.


The OP was CLEARLY directed at De Santis and the nutty laws your beloved Florida has passed, not at Floridians...for the reasons outlined in the OP and more, I too don't want to come anywhere close to your beloved Florida. I suppose, like President Obama, I'm a "bigot", right?

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
33. There ya go again! You actually read the entire OP, used common sense and then typed
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 10:22 AM
Apr 2021

a reasonable response!

Tsk-tsk! 👍

 

mac2766

(658 posts)
36. Not a beloved Florida.. Just saying that...
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 06:20 PM
Apr 2021

if you are willing to poke fun of an entire group of people - "Floridians", as I've seen way too many times to count on DU, then you are a bigot. Plain and simple. Not everyone in Florida voted for DeSantis. I definitely did not.

I've lived here for just about 30 years, but I'm originally from Indiana. I'm sure some people would have something negative to say about Hoosiers as well. I'm sure that there are still people who remember how easy it used to be to speak negatively about Polish people. It's always "okay" to make fun of a group of people who don't seem to mind. I do mind. I live in Florida. Have lived in Florida for about 30 years now. When you speak so casually about "Floridians", you're speaking about me and I tend to take offence.

A hypocrite is a hypocrite in any form. And a bigot is a bigot.

Just saying.

MerryHolidays

(7,715 posts)
39. Again, where EXACTLY does the OP attack Flordians?
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 06:30 PM
Apr 2021

If you think criticism of DeSantis is an attack on Floridians...well, I just don't know what to say.

And, regardless of the OP, who only referenced De Santis and Florida law, I guess you consider President Obama a bigot? "Plain and simple", to use your words?

 

mac2766

(658 posts)
41. This will be the very first reference to President Obama
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 06:42 PM
Apr 2021

in my entire response.

You seem to be a very angry person. I'm not angry at all. I simply wished to express an opinion.

I believe that is what is wrong with America - the essence of what exactly is wrong with America. Anger being the first response, and the inability to have a civil conversation.

You're first and second responses to me were anger based.

MerryHolidays

(7,715 posts)
42. You're the one calling folks "bigots"! You're CLEARLY the angry one here!
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 06:45 PM
Apr 2021

DU is a place of acceptance, if one has the ethos. Learn it please! And stop being so angry to call people "bigots" including the OP, me, and President Obama!

You are too funny!

MerryHolidays

(7,715 posts)
43. And I just realized you're calling several of us "hypocrites" too, in addition to "bigots"
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 07:02 PM
Apr 2021

Do you have any other pejoratives?

MerryHolidays

(7,715 posts)
46. Somehow, I don't think you're going to last too long on DU
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 07:19 PM
Apr 2021

For sure, you go on my ignore list, which totals 1. Well done.

I wish you the best in life, generally and on DU, casting baseless aspersions. Bye.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
8. Contact VISIT Florida
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 04:58 PM
Apr 2021
VISIT FLORIDA, the state's official tourism marketing corporation, serves as Florida's official source for travel planning to visitors across the globe. VISIT FLORIDA is not a government agency, but rather a not-for-profit corporation created as a public/private partnership by the Florida Legislature in 1996.

Florida's tourism industry was responsible for welcoming 86.7 million visitors in 2020, a decrease from the record 131.4 million visitors in 2019 attributable to the COVID-19 pandemic. Based on the latest economic impact study, Florida visitors contributed $96.5 billion to Florida's economy and supported over 1.6 million Florida jobs in 2019. According to the Office of Economic and Demographic Research, for every $1 the state invests in VISIT FLORIDA, $3.27 in state tax revenue is generated.

Each year, the Florida Legislature appropriates public funding to be allocated for tourism marketing. VISIT FLORIDA is required to match those public funds dollar-for-dollar, which is done by actively recruiting the state's tourism industry to invest as Partners through cooperative advertising campaigns, promotional programs and many other marketing ventures. Through this public/private partnership, VISIT FLORIDA serves more than 13,000 tourism industry businesses, including major strategic alliance partnerships with Busch Gardens Tampa, Disney Destinations, Hilton, LEGOLAND Florida Resort, SeaWorld Parks & Resorts Orlando and Universal Orlando Resort.
https://www.visitflorida.com/en-us/about-us.html


Contact page: https://www.visitflorida.com/en-us/contact-us.html

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
9. I always send hand written or typed correspondence....
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 05:05 PM
Apr 2021

I always find they react better to something tangible. At least that's been my experience.

I think I'll follow your lead, though, Atticus. I have family and friends in Florida, I used to live there, and I do love hitting their beaches, but I can hit the beaches somewhere else. My family and friends will understand. They know how I am.

Good for you. I'm a firm believer of voting with my wallet as well as in the ballot box.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
11. Now THAT is IT!
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 05:33 PM
Apr 2021

That's a most excellent thing you did. Here's why.

I live here in Florida, was raised and went to college here, and know that if I wrote a similar letter, there would be consequences.

I hope a million more do what you did. I hope you feel the better for it.

I can't thank you enough.

ZonkerHarris

(24,226 posts)
12. The CoC is who you tell that you wont be opening any new offices of your business in FL
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 05:37 PM
Apr 2021

no expansion for you!

kimbutgar

(21,148 posts)
15. Also when the cruise industry re opens I will not leave on any cruise out of florida
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 06:27 PM
Apr 2021

I hope the cruise industry wakes up, No vaccine passports? Who the hell would get on a cruise ship if the crew and fellow passengers were not vaccinated.

Until Desatan is gone I will never spend a dime or set a food in Florida. No purchases from sellers in Florida or Georgia is my mantra now.

3Hotdogs

(12,376 posts)
20. And guess what... N.J also got some of the best beaches in the country....
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 07:31 PM
Apr 2021

and the toughest anti-gun laws.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,857 posts)
24. Hmmm. I admire what you did.
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 08:03 PM
Apr 2021

Speaking only of myself, I have been to Florida exactly once in the past 45 years, and that recent trip (2015) was to take a cruise.

JPPaverage

(508 posts)
26. Hey that's a great idea
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 10:59 PM
Apr 2021

The wife and I are thinking about retiring in about three years and I just may do what you did. Tell them that we are looking for a place to winter and so on. Thanks for doing that and thanks for the great idea.

Rabrrrrrr

(58,349 posts)
31. This could be the beginning of a mass movement - to write to the shit states' politicians.
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 09:29 AM
Apr 2021

Just like the companies exerting economic pressure on the third-world states, maybe we the people should be sending letters and letting it be known that we are not visiting their states until they rejoin the U.S.

pandr32

(11,583 posts)
34. Disney World should probably get a message like this
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 12:22 PM
Apr 2021

...from thousands of Democrats.
They are in a position to confront both the Florida Congress and the Office of Governor.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,971 posts)
35. We went to Virginia Beach
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 03:00 PM
Apr 2021

a couple of weeks ago. It was nice in the off season. I love Sanibel down in Florida (it doesn't consider itself part of the state, really, and gives a big "FU" to the rest of the state whenever possible) but we're not going there anytime soon again. Maybe VA Beach again in the fall if we can get there between hurricanes.

jumptheshadow

(3,269 posts)
48. Woman in grocery market today...
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 07:26 PM
Apr 2021

...up north. A snowbird who apparently came in for the season. Complaining about having to wear a mask to the (older) cashier. Her coup de grace argument was, "They don't require masks anywhere in Florida!" Then, as she was leaving, she grumped at the (older) security guard about masks.

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