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thomhartmann

(3,979 posts)
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 10:55 AM Apr 2021

It's Time To Blow Up the Maskhole's Sick and Twisted Plan

For businesses wanting a competitive edge, a "let's all live" marketing strategy is the opportunity of the decade!

Well, it’s started. The United States has reached the point, in many parts of the country, where there are more vaccines available then there are people willing to take them.

Most of this so-called “vaccine reluctance“ is driven by pure politics.

Donald Trump‘s visceral hatred of Joe Biden, who beat him like a drum in the last election, and the Republican party’s commitment to raw power over anything that may help Americans, have brought us this crisis.

If Trump, Fox and the GOP can convince the people who follow them that they shouldn’t get vaccines, they can prevent President Biden from getting this pandemic under control.

If they can prevent Biden from getting the disease under control, they also prevent him from getting the economy back in shape.

And - Bingo! - if they prevent him from getting the economy back in shape, Republicans see victories in the 2022 midterm elections and might even take back the White House in 2024.

This is their simple but brutal math, and they frankly don’t care who it kills. The more the better, in fact, because chaos hurts the (Democratic) party in power. After all, they’ve already shown us they’re willing to kill a half-million Americans just to try to win the last election.

And, as village idiot and Senator Ron Johnson said yesterday as he was discouraging general consideration of vaccine documentation, “Why is this big push to make sure everybody gets a vaccine, to the point when you better impose it, you’re going to shame people, you’re going to force them to carry a card to prove that they’ve been vaccinated so they can just stay in society. I’m getting highly suspicious of what’s happening here.”

Right. It’s just a public health emergency that’s killed a half-million Americans. No big deal for rich Republicans.

So it’s up to us to blow up their plan. And if enough of us take one small, simple step we may be able to pull it off. Here’s how:

I’m calling restaurants, bars, stores, and other places of business that I’ve patronized over the past couple of years. Taking it slow, just one or two a day. Casual.

My conversation goes something like this:

Me: “I see we’re getting close to the point where the economy can open back up. I’m so excited about coming back to your (restaurant, store)! I love your (mention dish or product so they know I’m a real customer)! I just wanted to make sure, first, that you’re requiring proof of vaccination before you let people in?”

Them: “We don’t have any specific policy about that, but you’re more than welcome to come. All of us who work here are vaccinated!”

Me: “Well, let me give you my name and phone number and you can call me if you decide to change your policy. For at least the next year, I’m only going to patronize businesses that require proof of vaccination to get in the door. Even though I’m vaccinated, I don’t want to be exposed to someone who’s not and who might be carrying around one of those weird variants.”

Them (usually sounding a bit rattled): “I’ll be sure to tell the manager that you called...”

This can work.

The primary imperative of every business is something called “differentiation.” When I taught marketing and ran an advertising agency in Atlanta, I’d always ask, “What makes you different from your competitors? What is it you’re offering that they aren’t or can’t? Simply put, ‘what is your unfair competitive advantage?’”

More often than not, the answer to that question became the focus of a great marketing campaign.

America is experiencing a mind-boggling amount of pent-up demand right now. People want to go out and eat, drink, celebrate, dance and buy things. But many, almost certainly a majority, want to do so safely.

So, if even a small but meaningful percentage of businesses decide it’s good marketing to cater exclusively to people who have taken the time and trouble to get vaccinated, it’ll create a social pressure that will begin to wear down those who people Republican politicians and Fox News have convinced that the virus is no big deal.

But big deal or no, they still want to get into the restaurant! And that could get us to the 75%-85% vaccinated herd immunity threshold we need for a safe country regardless of Trump’s or Johnson’s inane sputtering or Tucker’s smarmy “questions.”

Back in the 1980s a dear friend of mine, Tom Larsen, owned one of the finest high-end restaurants in Boston, The Pillar House. Every restaurant in town at that time had both smoking and no-smoking sections, but Tom was committed to serving extraordinary food in a clean environment where you could actually smell and taste the flavors his chefs so meticulously curated.

So in 1986 he banned all smoking at The Pillar House, even in the bar and the bathrooms: his was the first consequential restaurant in Boston, and one of the first in the nation, to do so.

I remember when he made the decision. We discussed it quite a bit, in fact. I was fully expecting he would lose business, but instead, as word spread, his business continue to grow!

The restaurant got enormous publicity (it was picked up by the AP nationwide!), their non-smoking customers became fanatically loyal, and the few hard-core smokers they lost were insignificant to their business.

As an added bonus, restaurants around the country, reading about Tom’s experience, started emulating him. Non-smoking restaurants became a thing in 1986, and within a few years became the norm. Even Boston’s Newton-Wellesley Hospital went smoke-free, the first hospital to do so in the area, citing Tom’s restaurant as an example.

There are a lot of us out here who don’t want to be exposed to GOP- and Fox News-maskholes and the viruses they may be carrying.

They’re this generation’s version of the selfish smokers in the 1980s, and we’re the health-concerned non-smokers. We would very much like safe spaces to enjoy shopping, dining or other activities without smoke or germs being blown on us by inconsiderate people.

For businesses looking for a competitive edge, this “let’s all live” marketing prescription is the opportunity of the decade!

And with just a few simple phone calls, you can help make it happen.

Original daily post with link to Pillar House timeline: HartmannReport.com
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It's Time To Blow Up the Maskhole's Sick and Twisted Plan (Original Post) thomhartmann Apr 2021 OP
Kick dalton99a Apr 2021 #1
K & R Sinistrous Apr 2021 #2
✔️ blm Apr 2021 #3
An excellent article but, Disaffected Apr 2021 #4
I agree about the huge syringe! That's not going to help people with needle phobia! liberal_mama Apr 2021 #5
kick! nt PoliWrangler Apr 2021 #6
All those governors, senators, Fox News people, and republicans know they are trying to spread .... Botany Apr 2021 #7
Agree With Sentiment ProfessorGAC Apr 2021 #8
kick! sarchasm Apr 2021 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2021 #10
Wonderful plan! Unfortunately, the Repubs in my state (Montana) have already taken preemptive LaMouffette Apr 2021 #11
Simple Workaround smb Apr 2021 #12
Love your workaround! Offer them the carrot first, then if they still refuse, give them the stick-- LaMouffette Apr 2021 #19
I love it! thomhartmann Apr 2021 #20
Ok, I'm cracking up! PatrickforB Apr 2021 #23
It might work, Sogo Apr 2021 #13
Sigh. Unbelievable. Why on earth would someone pay huge money PatrickforB Apr 2021 #24
Good point! BigmanPigman Apr 2021 #25
Bass-ackwards reasoning. ShazzieB Apr 2021 #26
Restaurant owners should REQUIRE their own employees to be vaccinated FakeNoose Apr 2021 #14
Fuck the Covid anti-vaxxers NQAS Apr 2021 #15
A man here was a cabinetmaker, and he once built a very fine snooker table as a marketing ploy. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2021 #16
while i get your point i am also imagining the demand for fake vaxx cards orleans Apr 2021 #17
This is like.. Snackshack Apr 2021 #18
k&r n/t lordsummerisle Apr 2021 #21
The other end of the equation is to incentivize workers. Ms. Toad Apr 2021 #22
Vaccinated walpurgis Apr 2021 #27
The first step then was to have separate smoking and no smoking sections. greymattermom Apr 2021 #28
This reminds me too much of the "let's try to reach the Trump voters" nonsense... llmart Apr 2021 #29
I like your plan and I think it could work -- to an extent. Texin Apr 2021 #30

Disaffected

(4,554 posts)
4. An excellent article but,
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 11:19 AM
Apr 2021

I doubt that image of the horse syringe at the top of the article is going to encourage many vaccine hesitators to get one.

Botany

(70,498 posts)
7. All those governors, senators, Fox News people, and republicans know they are trying to spread ....
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 12:25 PM
Apr 2021

... or keep the disease going in order to use it for political purposes. I'm willing to bet everybody
@ Fox has had the vaccine along with wing nuts/Russian operatives like Ron Johnson and Gym
Jordan.

I wonder just how much the anti Vax/ anti mask memes are being pushed by Russia via
our right wing disinformation TV/Radio/Internet channels?

ProfessorGAC

(65,000 posts)
8. Agree With Sentiment
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 12:26 PM
Apr 2021

But, if Rs think vax resistance will prevent the economy from recovering, they're just reinforcing my (very low) opinion of their intelligence.
There's nothing they can do to prevent a big, 18-30 month recovery. Perhaps longer.
If this is their plan, it's a stupid one.

Response to thomhartmann (Original post)

LaMouffette

(2,024 posts)
11. Wonderful plan! Unfortunately, the Repubs in my state (Montana) have already taken preemptive
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 01:20 PM
Apr 2021

legislative action against businesses and workplaces that might want to require customers or employees to be vaxxed.

From the Helena Independent Record (April 7, 2021):

A bill prohibiting publicly accessible businesses and government agencies from denying access or goods to people on the basis of their vaccination status advanced on a preliminary vote in the House on Tuesday.

House Bill 703 passed second reading on a 58-42 vote, while another measure making it easier to get a medical vaccine exemption, House Bill 334 moved forward a 29-21 second reading vote in the Senate.

HB 703, sponsored by Rep. Jedediah Hinkle, R-Belgrade, focused his comment on vaccine passports, a concept being developed by some states, countries and businesses as a type of documentation required for people to travel or attend certain events to ensure they have immunity to the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.


[link:https://helenair.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/montana-lawmakers-advance-measures-barring-vaccine-passports-easing-exemptions/article_030c7ab9-5982-5d72-8e1e-0eb45b9620da.html|

What I want to know is, does this mean they will STOP requiring schoolchildren to be vaccinated to attend public school? Is that next? Right now, they're required to be vaccinated against no fewer than five different diseases.

[link:https://www.mcpsmt.org/Page/2111|

And what about requiring people who work at a hospital to take a TB test? I suppose they would see that as a terrible infringement on individual rights, too!

My hope is that as the anti-vaxxers see that people who have been vaccinated are NOT dropping over dead, nor are they dying from Covid or getting seriously ill from it, that they will grudgingly go get themselves vaxxed.

Also, I'd like to see businesses give very generous perks to people who have been vaxxed, like 20 percent off their purchase, maybe special events just for the vaxxed, things like that. Just a cavalcade of benefits that would give anti-vaxxers a crushing FOMA (fear of missing out) reaction.

And I'd like to see people reward businesses in turn by only patronizing those in which all employees have been vaxxed and still wear a mask to protect against variants.

smb

(3,471 posts)
12. Simple Workaround
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 01:27 PM
Apr 2021

"We're not requiring proof of vaccination; we're just giving you the option of providing proof of vaccination if you want to skip the temperature check. You'd rather do the temperature check? Hokay, drop your drawers and bend over. You don't want to do that either? Hokay, I guess a rectal thermometer will still work if you put it in your mouth instead...."

LaMouffette

(2,024 posts)
19. Love your workaround! Offer them the carrot first, then if they still refuse, give them the stick--
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 02:42 PM
Apr 2021

and you know where!

PatrickforB

(14,570 posts)
24. Sigh. Unbelievable. Why on earth would someone pay huge money
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 09:14 PM
Apr 2021

for a black market vaccination card when they could just go get vaccinated?

I mean, that's going to a whole lot of trouble to be stupid.

ShazzieB

(16,370 posts)
26. Bass-ackwards reasoning.
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 11:40 PM
Apr 2021

"Why on earth would someone pay huge money for a black market vaccination card when they could just go get vaccinated?"

FOR FREE! Don't forget, the vaccine is free.

Let me see, should I spend big money for a fake vaccine card or get one FOR FREE by getting a couple of shots? Hmmmmm.... decisions, decisions! 🤔



I am fully vaxxed and proud of it, thank you very much. But seriously, how illogical is that?

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
14. Restaurant owners should REQUIRE their own employees to be vaccinated
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 01:33 PM
Apr 2021

This is something they can control - the people who work for them. If the servers and waitstaff have been vaccinated, it's a big step towards being ready to open up for the public.

Restaurants don't want to lose customers, and they shouldn't, if they can confidently state that their employees are 100% vaccinated. After awhile they will see that it does improve their business. Those owners will be more likely to take the next step and require customers to prove that they've been vaxxed also.

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
15. Fuck the Covid anti-vaxxers
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 01:42 PM
Apr 2021

Look, we're not going to convince them to take the vaccine. So let's forget about herd immunity.

Change some rules. Insurance companies no longer cover care for anti-vaxxers. Let 'em die. Yeah, yeah, health care costs continue to skyrocket, lawsuits abound, etc. Don't care. Samee with Medicare. No vaccine, no coverage.

No vaccine, no shopping. No vaccine, no dining. No vaccine, no employment. How we do that, I don't know. But fuck 'em. Shame them. Shun them. Cut them out of civil society.

The USG should take all the unused vaccines and send them, immediately, to countries with sane people who want to take them. Right now. India, Latin America, South America? Help is on the way. Start with allies and, if more vaccines are available, offer them to adversaries. They may or may not accept, but the US takes the high ground on a issue of global importance.

Those military bases or military presence of some kind in 80+ countries? You know, the ones that many want to close down? Use that presence for distribution in conjunction with their host countries. We're #1, right? Well, let's mobilize our resources to do something that doesn't kill people.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
16. A man here was a cabinetmaker, and he once built a very fine snooker table as a marketing ploy.
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 01:45 PM
Apr 2021

He allowed people to come to his shop and rent time on the table, as any pool hall does. He soon discovered a demand, and decided to open an actual pool hall instead, but he had a vision....a classy place with decorum demanded.....and no smoking. It was the first non-smoking pool hall in North America and it caught on like gangbusters.

When he started, he just decided that his policy of not being around smokers would extend to his room, damn the consequences. In those days, a blue haze hanging over the room was de rigeur, but not in his house. Ended up making major bank.

orleans

(34,050 posts)
17. while i get your point i am also imagining the demand for fake vaxx cards
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 01:45 PM
Apr 2021

it was easy (in one sense) to ban smoking because all businesses had to do was post signs that said no smoking and if they saw someone smoking that person was obviously breaking the rule.

vaccines are not that apparent. they are not visible. how do you ban anti-vaxxers when they can simply lie and say they have had the vaccine or show some bullshit vaccine card?

i like the idea of "let's all live" campaign but i don't know how it would get implemented in real time in stores/businesses.

HOWEVER--did you hear congressman bobby rush's comments the other day? i was thinking more along the lines of public service announcements on various forms of media (and it would be perfect to call it the "let's all live campaign" )

here's what bobby rush said:
"Stop playing Russian roulette with your grandparents and your aunts and uncles and your mothers and your daddies, stop playing Russian roulette with their lives and your lives. Get your shot. Get your vaccine."
"If we were giving away Chicken McNuggets here tonight, the hall would be overflowing. And most of you who would be there don’t know what is in that Chicken McNugget. You trust McDonald's, you ought to trust our doctors who are telling you that the only way we can [beat] this pandemic and stop our loved ones and neighbors, our loved ones from dying from this dreaded disease is that you and I get our vaccine."

i heard someone play this clip on WCPT the other evening when i was driving home but, unfortunately, the only place i can find it online is at a chicago/fox link. so here's the link: https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/congressman-bobby-rush-tells-vaccine-skeptics-stop-playing-russian-roulette-with-lives

if an ad campaign like that got started then the stores could post signs that let customers know they support it: "be sure to get your covid vaccine. LET'S ALL LIVE"

(love you thom, love your show!)

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
18. This is like..
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 02:17 PM
Apr 2021

The firearm issue. When the NRA started to advocate and state GOP’s started passing open carry legislation I remember starting to see signs in front of restaurants, grocery stores, bars with the “No Firearms Allowed” signs. Which was something I very much appreciated and would go out of my way to give my business to establishments that had the sign up (still do).

This is a good idea.

Ms. Toad

(34,065 posts)
22. The other end of the equation is to incentivize workers.
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 07:15 PM
Apr 2021

My daughter works for Amazon - I have mixed feelings about that but she is earning $15/hour and has the best benefit package she has ever had.

But - as to COVID - she was paid $80 to get vaccinated - AND was given a day off work after each vaccination. (I'm not clear whether it was paid or not - BUT she didn't have to use the time she would ordinariliy use to take the time off.)

walpurgis

(40 posts)
27. Vaccinated
Sun Apr 25, 2021, 06:13 AM
Apr 2021

You Know damn well that these republicans that are causing all this Anti- vaccine rhetoric are vaccinated. Fucking hypocrites.They don't want to die, who else will spread their lies. We have to were a seatbelts,need car insurance, have to ware shoes and shirt no service,cant go over the speed limit etc. what's the difference. Get vaccinated save your self and your loved ones not to mention everyone else.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
28. The first step then was to have separate smoking and no smoking sections.
Sun Apr 25, 2021, 08:58 AM
Apr 2021

How about a separate vaccinated section with extra ventilation, or exhaust fans. Make the unvaccinated sit in the old smoking section.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
29. This reminds me too much of the "let's try to reach the Trump voters" nonsense...
Sun Apr 25, 2021, 10:04 AM
Apr 2021

Those of us that are vaccinated don't have to worry about dying from Covid. Let the ones who refuse to be vaccinated get sick and suffer and/or die. That also helps gain herd immunity. They associate with like-minded ignoramuses, so then they can infect them also. Plus, let's not forget all those who have already had Covid. They help add to herd immunity.

What an immature "plan" these idiots have come up with to try to foil Biden's initiatives. Shows how stupid they are. The majority of people right now are on board with most of what Biden is doing. Also, unemployment is quite low and there are "We are hiring" signs everywhere in my area.

If they want to play Russian roulette with their lives let them. We could do without these people in our country anyway.

Texin

(2,595 posts)
30. I like your plan and I think it could work -- to an extent.
Sun Apr 25, 2021, 10:21 AM
Apr 2021

Many (well most) of the restaurants that my husband and I have frequented in the Dallas metropolitan area (specifically those in the NCentral corridor and into the Oak Lawn, Park Cities and Preston Hollow cater to a very specific demographic that typically vote rethug. They are the ones that the restaurateurs cater to. Some of their patrons eat and imbibe at those places seven days a week. We OTHOH we typically would dine out about once or maybe twice a week. Those places are still full to capacity and their establishments didn't suffer one iota during the last year except for perhaps the mandated shut-downs in early March which only lasted about two or three weeks. I haven't been back in any restaurant in well over a year, more like eighteen months. And I'm not over eager to sally forth now. I'm gun shy about it and I've gotten to realize I don't miss the experience all that much any more.

My spouse and I aren't in the least elitists. We're picky (or were) about where we eat because, frankly, I'm a damn good cook and the chain restaurants don't tempt us. We're just not going to patronize those places.

I don't know what the answer is to this problem. There are a stubborn 30-35% of Americans* who will never change their minds, because their minds are slammed shut to any contrary opinion. And there's no argument that will ever change the rigid mind of an uniformed (i.e., lied to and gaslighted) ignoramus. Arguing or "reasoning" with these people is like trying to talk to a Walk/Don't Walk sign. There's no arguing with stupid/crazy - or more apt - a person who WANTS to believe what they espouse. Why waste one's time?

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