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Is rampant consumerism destroying the world? (Original Post) Throck Apr 2021 OP
Yes. ret5hd Apr 2021 #1
yes. markie Apr 2021 #2
Question is,... is it sustainable that the world population,... magicarpet Apr 2021 #3
What will you propose to eliminate? brooklynite Apr 2021 #4
The desire that people have to accumulate useless garbage, esp. the brand new kind Hugh_Lebowski Apr 2021 #7
People have to become self aware of their impact. Throck Apr 2021 #8
We can start with automobiles. That would help greatly in several ways. -misanthroptimist Apr 2021 #9
Actually, cars last much longer than they once did. spooky3 Apr 2021 #12
We keep out cars until they they just about fall apart. marie999 Apr 2021 #27
Automobiles piss me off. Throck Apr 2021 #13
My sentiments exactly, Throck. Diamond_Dog Apr 2021 #16
We're on the same page there, Throck. -misanthroptimist Apr 2021 #19
Legally, they can't. Lancero Apr 2021 #28
Yes it is PortTack Apr 2021 #5
No & this past year has only underscored that imo. Most won't break the pattern for decades to come hlthe2b Apr 2021 #6
I'm glad that being untrendy has become fashionable again. spooky3 Apr 2021 #10
we - humans - are destroying the world. NewHendoLib Apr 2021 #11
Ruled by our misguided egos. Throck Apr 2021 #18
Rampant MONETIZATION superpatriotman Apr 2021 #14
Yabut zipplewrath Apr 2021 #15
This is a rhetorical question that pretty much all of us know the answer to. GoneOffShore Apr 2021 #17
None of what I've read on this thread even comes in the top ten of bad things tirebiter Apr 2021 #20
Yes. That's a big reason for all the storage units. underpants Apr 2021 #21
Yes! joetheman Apr 2021 #22
downsizing slightlv Apr 2021 #23
I believe it is a symptom, taxi Apr 2021 #24
We can still minimize our contribution, if we cared enough. Lancero Apr 2021 #29
We all do on our own level, and populations, vital statistics, and such are public programs taxi Apr 2021 #30
AND JUST PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE STOP WITH THE ADVERTISEMENTS.......UGH...🤮 🤮 🤮 a kennedy Apr 2021 #25
Economic Growth is Unsustainable on a Finite Planet. Ron Green Apr 2021 #26

magicarpet

(14,147 posts)
3. Question is,... is it sustainable that the world population,...
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 03:53 PM
Apr 2021

.... copy, mimic,... and duplicate American capitalism and consumerism ?

The burden on natural resources and then trash, waste, and open dumps indicates we must change course quickly.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
7. The desire that people have to accumulate useless garbage, esp. the brand new kind
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 03:57 PM
Apr 2021

That's the hardest, but also the only way to turn it around.

Throck

(2,520 posts)
8. People have to become self aware of their impact.
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 03:59 PM
Apr 2021

Otherwise selfishness will persist. People have to develop values on their own.

-misanthroptimist

(810 posts)
9. We can start with automobiles. That would help greatly in several ways.
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 03:59 PM
Apr 2021

From there...maybe we could outlaw planned obsolescence.

Those are my two suggestions.

spooky3

(34,445 posts)
12. Actually, cars last much longer than they once did.
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 04:03 PM
Apr 2021

But I would like to see the infrastructure bill pass and the development of more rail options.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
27. We keep out cars until they they just about fall apart.
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 06:54 PM
Apr 2021

We own 2 Kia Optimas with lifetime warranties. We had another 1 but we gave it away when it had 164,000 miles on it.

Throck

(2,520 posts)
13. Automobiles piss me off.
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 04:03 PM
Apr 2021

Too many bells and whistles. No one builds a basic economical fugal simple vehicle anymore.

-misanthroptimist

(810 posts)
19. We're on the same page there, Throck.
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 04:10 PM
Apr 2021

I'm thinking of making my next vehicle a very old one. One I can work on myself. One that isn't connected to the internet. Just a damned car or truck.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
28. Legally, they can't.
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 07:00 PM
Apr 2021

A lot of 'bells and whistles' are required for modern safety features. A lot are also needed to meet mileage mandates and emissions standards.

A better solution would be to forgo personal automobiles entirely, in favor of a robust public transport network, or perhaps a bicycle.

hlthe2b

(102,247 posts)
6. No & this past year has only underscored that imo. Most won't break the pattern for decades to come
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 03:57 PM
Apr 2021

but I'm done with it. I will buy new items only when I've found a way to recycle or repurpose the old.

spooky3

(34,445 posts)
10. I'm glad that being untrendy has become fashionable again.
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 04:01 PM
Apr 2021

Buying clothes that are thrown out after a year is unsustainable. Buying well made classics and wearing them until they wear out is better for the pocketbook and for the earth.

Same with trendy home furnishings.

This is probably wishful thinking on my part.

NewHendoLib

(60,014 posts)
11. we - humans - are destroying the world.
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 04:01 PM
Apr 2021

we are wasteful, greedy, narcissistic - our egotism, lust for stuff and power - our greed...

it's why we can't have nice things. We have some serious design flaws.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
15. Yabut
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 04:04 PM
Apr 2021

I was struck during the early days of the pandemic just how much of the economy is dependent upon discretionary income. Bars, restaurants, tourism, theater, music, and really the list goes on. What we accumulate is a small fraction of what we consume and discard. If we only consumed what we required to survive and stay healthy, there wouldn't be alot for many of us to do. Worse, what can start out as a frivolous pursuit, can turn into basically life saving capabilities. What is really destroying the world is basically greed, that breeds war.

tirebiter

(2,536 posts)
20. None of what I've read on this thread even comes in the top ten of bad things
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 04:18 PM
Apr 2021

Compared to:
1, Trump
2. Trump
3. Trump
4. Trump
5. Trump
6. Trump
7. Trump
8. Trump
9. Trump
10.Trump
Even war has been overshadowed by the Trump pandemic. Up until Trump we were living in the Garden of Eden. That must never be forgotten.
Now go forth and do whatever it is you want to do.

underpants

(182,791 posts)
21. Yes. That's a big reason for all the storage units.
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 04:23 PM
Apr 2021

You’d think people would have reflected a bit during the shutdown and seen how ridiculous all the endless shopping was buuuuut Nope. They are pretty much right back at it.

slightlv

(2,787 posts)
23. downsizing
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 05:28 PM
Apr 2021

It's one of the reasons so many of us are having troubles trying to downsize to smaller homes, etc., as we grow older. I can't believe how much "stuff" I just left behind in the old house... and I'm still trying to make my way thru all the junk I brought with us. First we downsized from 3800 sq ft to 1300 sq ft. Then upsized to 1800 sq ft. And I swear, it STILL looks like a sears and roebuck catalog in here!

taxi

(1,896 posts)
24. I believe it is a symptom,
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 05:36 PM
Apr 2021

but not the reason we destroy the world. We, the afflicted portion of the world's population. There are very few innocents. We all contribute. We have to, don't we?

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
29. We can still minimize our contribution, if we cared enough.
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 07:28 PM
Apr 2021

And not just within our lifetimes - Choosing to have fewer kids, or better yet none at all (Much like with pets, adopt instead.) would significantly improve our planets longevity.

taxi

(1,896 posts)
30. We all do on our own level, and populations, vital statistics, and such are public programs
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 08:07 PM
Apr 2021

China had a one child policy - there are likely to be some good studies made from that. But, yea, each of us can do just a little bit better.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
26. Economic Growth is Unsustainable on a Finite Planet.
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 06:47 PM
Apr 2021

Unless there’s a shift away from innovation and development to maintenance and repair, we are done.

Actually, we’re probably done no matter what.

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