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Norbert

(6,040 posts)
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 05:18 PM Apr 2021

Now the Right Wing Extremists are going after Native Americans

CNN senior political commentator Rick Santorum claimed that Christian settlers from Europe had to build America “from nothing,” adding that “there was nothing here” and “there isn’t much Native American culture in American culture.”

Speaking at the right-wing student organization Young America’s Foundation’s Standing Up For Faith & Freedom conference last week, Santorum—a former Pennsylvania senator and GOP presidential candidate—insisted that America was built on a blank-slate continent.

In doing so, he focused his attention solely on white European Christians who settled in the “New World” in the 17th century while ignoring the fact that there was an indigenous population that had been in America for centuries beforehand...


They won't stop until they convince everyone the U.S is a white nation from day one.

https://news.yahoo.com/cnn-rick-santorum-dismisses-native-163008310.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb&tsrc=fb
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Now the Right Wing Extremists are going after Native Americans (Original Post) Norbert Apr 2021 OP
Iroquois Confederacy, he missed that. irisblue Apr 2021 #1
Yep. . .my mother's side of the family is Haudenosaunee AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #6
Then you probably know that wnylib Apr 2021 #15
Considering I havea PhD in history and her PhD dissertation was on the Great Binding Law. . . AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #17
Beats my BA in Spanish studies and minor wnylib Apr 2021 #22
The real legacy of America: Built from stolen land and stolen labor. brush Apr 2021 #2
The original cancel culture malaise Apr 2021 #3
No more corn products, no more potato or tomato products, no more chocolate. Crunchy Frog Apr 2021 #7
Correct is right malaise Apr 2021 #8
And chocolate, pumpkin, pecans, tomatoes, turkey, wnylib Apr 2021 #16
You think that ignorant racist has a clue? malaise Apr 2021 #18
I'd be happy to inform him. But he wnylib Apr 2021 #24
Not to mention the genocide.... SergeStorms Apr 2021 #14
One of my favorites malaise Apr 2021 #19
England entered a country free of pollution, a country with clean water, a country with people who katmondoo Apr 2021 #4
☝️☝️☝️☝️ PortTack Apr 2021 #5
Yep uponit7771 Apr 2021 #13
+1 2naSalit Apr 2021 #20
A little heads up for pRick Sphinctorum: 11 Bravo Apr 2021 #9
+1 2naSalit Apr 2021 #21
And the city and county of Erie, wnylib Apr 2021 #25
Santorum is a dangerous NAZI moron. Kid Berwyn Apr 2021 #10
Slaves were brought to the US KT2000 Apr 2021 #11
CNN needs to ditch Sanctorectum. ASAP. n/t TygrBright Apr 2021 #12
90 pct of Native Americans died as a result of the viruses us Euros brought over with us. roamer65 Apr 2021 #23
A large number of Native Americans wnylib Apr 2021 #26
No disagreement here. roamer65 Apr 2021 #27
anyone wonder if this is because of sec halaand? mopinko Apr 2021 #28

AZLD4Candidate

(5,696 posts)
6. Yep. . .my mother's side of the family is Haudenosaunee
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 05:53 PM
Apr 2021

But I guess the Great Binding Law isn't anything in American history.

wnylib

(21,479 posts)
15. Then you probably know that
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 08:19 PM
Apr 2021

Last edited Mon Apr 26, 2021, 09:08 PM - Edit history (1)

Haudenosaunee delegates were present at the writing of the US constitution, by invitation of the Constitutional Convention. And that they were consulted on matters of divisions of power and on representation of separate tribes into one political unit.

In fact, the Iroquois Confederacy was a democracy that preceded the US democracy by a few centuries.

brush

(53,784 posts)
2. The real legacy of America: Built from stolen land and stolen labor.
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 05:25 PM
Apr 2021

The raw truth is always conveniently "forgotten" by the deniers.

wnylib

(21,479 posts)
16. And chocolate, pumpkin, pecans, tomatoes, turkey,
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 08:44 PM
Apr 2021

pemmican, white potatoes and sweet potatoes. No more chewing gum. No more rubber tires. No more aspirin.

Get rid of caucuses in government. Caucus is an Algonquian word.

Forget the use of cranberries and other fruits for vitamin C to cure scurvy. And the practice of sweating out a fever to recover from sickness. No more quinine medicine or tonic water.

Get rid of the US constitution. The Iroquois Confederacy inspired Ben Franklin to urge unity of all the colonies to form one nation under one agreed upon set of founding laws. Iroquois delegates were invited to the Constitutional Convention for consultation on divisions of power and having representatives from each tribe (state) to the central governing body. Their representational democracy is older than ours.

In fact, get rid of all the Christian colonists whose settlements and people would have died within months of arrival without Native help.





malaise

(269,022 posts)
18. You think that ignorant racist has a clue?
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 08:49 PM
Apr 2021

Great post - I hope Rachel gives them a program on Native American Culture,
I am so sick of the ignorance and the lies.

wnylib

(21,479 posts)
24. I'd be happy to inform him. But he
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 09:22 PM
Apr 2021

would ignore or deny anything I said. He probably knows some of what I posted anyway. Just talking trash to impress his white supremacist idiots.

But when he says there was nothing here before white colonists, I want to ask him where the cultivated fields cities, canals, mounds, and petroglyphs in the Americas came from.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
14. Not to mention the genocide....
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 08:05 PM
Apr 2021

that enabled white European "discoverers" of this land to steal it from the indigenous people. That always cracked me up, that white Europeans "discovered" what would come to be known as the "Americas".
Conquerors wrote the history books. History has been wrong ever since.

katmondoo

(6,457 posts)
4. England entered a country free of pollution, a country with clean water, a country with people who
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 05:43 PM
Apr 2021

cared about the land and the animals that fed them. They didn't kill for FUN. They didn't destroy the land they lived on. The Indians lived here for thousands of years and within 100 or more years the land became a place that where the use of it was for the benefit of the white people only, no one cared about the future only their own selfish desires. This is where we are now.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
9. A little heads up for pRick Sphinctorum:
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 06:12 PM
Apr 2021

These are places in PA (the state you fucking LIVE in and represented in the US Senate, you ignorant asswipe) that have names which are derived from Native American words.

Aliquippa, Pennsylvania
Allegheny Mountain (Pennsylvania)
Allegheny Mountains
Allegheny River
Catasauqua, Pennsylvania
Conemaugh River
Connoquenessing, Pennsylvania
Conodoguinet Creek
Conshohocken, Pennsylvania
Juniata River
Kiskiminetas River
Kittanning, Pennsylvania
Lackawanna River
Lenape Heights, Pennsylvania
Loyalhanna Creek
Lycoming Creek
Manayunk, Philadelphia
Monongahela River
Mount Nittany
Muckinipattis Creek
Muncy, Pennsylvania
Nemacolin, Pennsylvania
Ohio River
Ohiopyle, Pennsylvania
Passyunk Township, Pennsylvania
Pennypack Creek
Pocono Mountains
Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania
Pymatuning Reservoir
Pymatuning State Park (Pennsylvania)
Quittapahilla Creek
Shackamaxon
Shamokin, Pennsylvania
Shenandoah, Pennsylvania
Sinnemahoning Creek
Susquehanna River
Swatara Creek
Tinicum Township, Delaware County, Pennsylvania
Tulpehocken Creek (Pennsylvania)
Tunkhannock, Pennsylvania
Wapwallopen, Pennsylvania
Wiconisco Creek
Wissahickon Creek
Wissahickon, Philadelphia
Wyoming Valley
Youghiogheny River

Kid Berwyn

(14,907 posts)
10. Santorum is a dangerous NAZI moron.
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 06:22 PM
Apr 2021

We want to build a sustainable future, we need to model it upon Native American culture.

“Indians walk softly and hurt the landscape hardly more than birds or squirrels.” — John Muir

https://www.foxrunenvironmentaleducationcenter.org/ecopsychology/2020/6/8/what-native-americans-teach-us-about-sustainability

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
23. 90 pct of Native Americans died as a result of the viruses us Euros brought over with us.
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 09:20 PM
Apr 2021

Started after 1492.

When the Spanish invaded and proceed to “conquer” Mexico, there were whole Native American villages that were unoccupied because smallpox and other viral diseases had killed all of the residents.

The plans of the Spanish were to use Native Americans as slave labor, but the death rates were so high that they went elsewhere for slave labor...across the Atlantic to Africa.

So began another sordid piece of Euro history.

SO...FUCK YOU SANTORUM.

wnylib

(21,479 posts)
26. A large number of Native Americans
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 10:31 PM
Apr 2021

did die as a result of European diseases. Not sure I'd agree that it was 90%.

One problem that I have with the emphasis on Native deaths due to disease is that too many people use that to excuse or ignore the other causes of Native deaths and tribal extinctions. Other causes were:

1. Brutal slavery under Spanish rule in which people were literally worked until they dropped dead and fresh bodies were brought in to replace them.

2. English colonial practice in New England of trading Indian war captives to the Caribbean in return for "seasoned" African slaves, and starting wars to get slave captives.

3. English colonists surrounding Native villages in the middle of the night to set them on fire and shoot all who tried to escape, wiping out entire villages.

4. Crowding tribes out of their own territories, creating loss of tribal crops and game so that they starved to death.

5. Forcing tribes onto reservations that were not suitable for living due to lack of water supplies, game, and farmable land, causing massive starvation.

6. The US government's bounty on the scalps of every Native man, woman, and child found on land that was not reservation land.

7. The forced removal of all Native children from age 5 to 16 from their families for placement in government and church run boarding schools. The purpose was forced assimilation. The schools had no oversight and most teachers had no training. Food and clothing came from donations of castoffs. Faculty and staff took their pick and students got what was left of food and clothing. No medical care. Students were hired out to do manual labor and their pay went to administrators and teachers. Children were forced to convert and and take Christian names. They were forbidden to speak their native languages or say native prayers.

Punishments for violations were severe - kneeling on hardwood floors for 12 to 24 hours with no food, water, or bathroom breaks, denial of meals for an entire day or longer, being locked in closets for 24 hours, standing outdoors nude in winter for several hours, being force fed lye soap, getting beaten with horse whips, treelimb switches, or fists.

Children died of exposure from outdoor nude punishments, starvation, beatings, and disease. Sick children were not excused from "chores" and died from lack of rest and untreated illnesses.

Sexual abuse was rampant. Children were passed around in sex rings to priests and hired out as prostitutes to locals.

These assimilation boarding schools started in the 1870s and continued into the 1960s. Hundreds of children died and were buried in hidden graves on the grounds of the schools. Their families were told that they ran away. Their graves were discovered decades later.

Some schools were better, and their graduates went on to some achievements in sports, like Jim Thorpe. A few went on to college. But most carried emotional and physical scars from their boarding school experiences. They were not able to reintegrate into their families or tribes, whom they were taught to hate and look down on. They were not prepared for life among non Native Americans and were not accepted by European Americans. Some turned to alcohol and drugs. Some remained prostitutes after leaving school. Some committed suicide.

Amnesty International has collected the testimonies of former boarding school students who survived.

Disease is not the only thing that killed Native Americans.



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