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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 12:49 PM Apr 2021

Vice principal tosses beer on diners as wife argues over transgender woman in restroom

A vice principal at a Monmouth County school is under investigation after a social media post shows him angrily throwing a cup of beer at restaurant patrons in Atlantic County this past weekend. The drink toss by Michael Smurro occurred after his wife argued with patrons over an apparent transgender woman using the women’s bathroom with her at the restaurant, Fred & Ethel’s Lantern Light and Tavern in Smithville, Galloway Township, on Saturday.

A witness to the confrontation who recorded parts of it said the woman, Lisa Smurro, made repeated insensitive and transphobic remarks, and that Smurro made them loudly within earshot of three outdoor dining tables at the restaurant – including a party of five with a young child. “It was just disgusting,” said the witness, Carrie.

Carrie said Smurro kept complaining about a transgender woman using the bathroom while she was also in the facility, and would not let it go, repeating, “She’s a man! A man just went in the women’s bathroom and it’s just not right,” Lisa Smurro says in one of three videos Carrie posted. According to New Jersey law, people cannot be discriminated against based on gender identity. Under the law, people are permitted to use restrooms in public places that correspond to their gender identity.

A waitress then asks Smurro to leave, and goes to get a manager. Michael Smurro was further away.
Then, Michael Smurro walked back to the tables and tosses the open cup of beer, which sprayed on Carrie, her boyfriend and the table with the child.

“We did nothing wrong, other than spill a little bit of beer” Lisa Smurro said.

https://www.pennlive.com/nation-world/2021/04/vice-principal-tosses-beer-on-diners-as-wife-argues-over-transgender-woman-in-restroom-at-nj-restaurant.html

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Vice principal tosses beer on diners as wife argues over transgender woman in restroom (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Apr 2021 OP
"We did nothing wrong, other than spill a little bit of beer" Claire Oh Nette Apr 2021 #1
The greatest threats to humanity... orwell Apr 2021 #2
You Forgot leftieNanner Apr 2021 #6
Would he have preferred SoCalNative Apr 2021 #3
Simplest thing, SIMPLEST THING... yagotme Apr 2021 #4
And who is supposed to pay for all the bathrooms to be remodeled? LisaL Apr 2021 #5
Some bathrooms may take extensive remodeling... yagotme Apr 2021 #10
they all have toilets. ZonkerHarris Apr 2021 #11
Many other countries do it just fine obamanut2012 Apr 2021 #23
See my post #28. The ADA has required accessible restrooms for decades, & in most places... Hekate Apr 2021 #30
Kinda seems like a non-issue that rightwingers like to use for trolling / faux outrage. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2021 #12
I can definitely see the faux outrage. yagotme Apr 2021 #14
Seems the simplest thing is for people to be kind to one another... hunter Apr 2021 #16
Well, with some people, yagotme Apr 2021 #34
From reading the story, it would appear she was complaining LisaL Apr 2021 #7
I hope they're identified because that man should have nothing to do with children in schools. Treefrog Apr 2021 #8
Considering they are listed in the article by name, their identities are known. LisaL Apr 2021 #9
Did you read the OP ? left-of-center2012 Apr 2021 #18
Unhinged Trumpians. Martin68 Apr 2021 #13
How did the wife know if another woman is transgender or not? The stalls have doors Vinca Apr 2021 #15
I just said the same thing downthread obamanut2012 Apr 2021 #21
What is a "cis" woman? Dan Apr 2021 #32
Terrific entry on wikipedia you can Google and read obamanut2012 Apr 2021 #37
I did and thanks much. Dan Apr 2021 #38
She doesn't. But if it gives her a chance to be a bigot, she doesn't care. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #22
My first thought... Deuce Apr 2021 #25
I have used the mens bathroom before. blueinredohio Apr 2021 #17
I'd better be hearing "former" or "unemployed" vice principal by the end of the day. bullwinkle428 Apr 2021 #19
Also, the woman in question could have been a cis woman obamanut2012 Apr 2021 #20
Remarkable self control. lpbk2713 Apr 2021 #24
Michael Smurro is vice principal of Neptune Middle School in Neptune, NJ dalton99a Apr 2021 #26
Statement from Superintendent and the BoE obamanut2012 Apr 2021 #27
Aside from their bigotry problem, I wonder if the Smurros have an alcohol problem. Pretty unhinged Hekate Apr 2021 #28
Here is a picture of the drunken couple, love the restroom sign in the back. ChubbyStar Apr 2021 #29
What's with the stupid hat? Liberal In Texas Apr 2021 #35
Which one? alphafemale Apr 2021 #40
He is a stupid fellow and I guess he wants to make sure we know! ChubbyStar Apr 2021 #41
Same clothing as the video below alphafemale Apr 2021 #39
The woman who threw a milkshake at Matt Gaetz got jail and probation time............. riversedge Apr 2021 #31
the beer toss Demovictory9 Apr 2021 #33
Fucking deplorables, these MAGATs should be kicked out of Jersey DSandra Apr 2021 #36

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
1. "We did nothing wrong, other than spill a little bit of beer"
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 12:57 PM
Apr 2021

1. made repeated, loud, insensitive and transphobic remarks
2. made a scene and disturbed three other tables of diners
3. Modeled bigotry, immaturity, boorishness to children
4. Deathnamed, (don't know right word, but denied that person their basic dignity and privacy)
5. Had to be asked to leave
6. Angrily threw liquids at people DURING A PANDEMIC


"Spill a little beer" is some euphemism, eh?

orwell

(7,769 posts)
2. The greatest threats to humanity...
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:00 PM
Apr 2021

...Mr. Potato Head
...Dr. Seuss
...Transgender bathroom etiquette
..."Cancel Culture"
...Defunding police
...Illegal black and brown people voting
...Taxing the rich and multi-national corporations

Welcome to the alternative universe of Rupert Murdoch!

...I forgot to add...the COVID/Mask conspiracy hoax!!!!

leftieNanner

(15,070 posts)
6. You Forgot
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:11 PM
Apr 2021

The nefarious "chips" being installed in our bodies via the vaccines.

And the pizza parlor with a basement that doesn't have a basement.

yagotme

(2,911 posts)
4. Simplest thing, SIMPLEST THING...
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:08 PM
Apr 2021

might cost a little more, but make all bathrooms "family type". That way, there's no argument about who uses what bathroom. Solid, locking stalls, or single person room. Gas stations have been doing this for a while now, using M/F sign on door. Pick one, go in, lock the door. Ignore the unnecessary plumbing that might be hanging on the wall that you're not planning on using anyway. C'mon, man...

yagotme

(2,911 posts)
10. Some bathrooms may take extensive remodeling...
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:19 PM
Apr 2021

the larger ones, the more likely large changes to be made. Smaller ones, less/little major work. Like gas station reference, change the sign on the door, put a good lock on it. Some bathrooms are due for an overhaul, anyway. And, it's probably cheaper than the restaurant footing the bill for a lawsuit, because, the person with the deepest pockets/best insurance are the ones that get sued.

Hekate

(90,565 posts)
30. See my post #28. The ADA has required accessible restrooms for decades, & in most places...
Wed Apr 28, 2021, 02:30 AM
Apr 2021

...this requirement is handled with the addition of one (1) unisex room in addition to the usual stalls. They are available to anyone who needs to use them — they are not like parking spaces, which are dedicated spaces (and which also cause resentment), though it certainly is good manners to yield your place in line for the restroom to someone who is handicapped if you are not.

So, since the ADA has mandated accessibility already for decades, we are hardly talking about an outlay of a whole new scheme, just the application of some imagination and kindness.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,339 posts)
12. Kinda seems like a non-issue that rightwingers like to use for trolling / faux outrage.
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:31 PM
Apr 2021

A transgender, identifying as male is going to use a stall. A transgender identifying female is going to use a stall as most female public restrooms don't have urinals. So where is the problem?

yagotme

(2,911 posts)
14. I can definitely see the faux outrage.
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:36 PM
Apr 2021

But, in her defense, I've been in some stalls that gapped so bad, may as well not even have a door...

hunter

(38,304 posts)
16. Seems the simplest thing is for people to be kind to one another...
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:48 PM
Apr 2021

... maybe even imagine what it must be like to walk a mile in another's shoes.

yagotme

(2,911 posts)
34. Well, with some people,
Wed Apr 28, 2021, 02:36 PM
Apr 2021

you're never going to see that. Seems like they just don't have it in them to think of others. Just spitballing to come up with solutions to problems that shouldn't even BE problems.

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
7. From reading the story, it would appear she was complaining
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:12 PM
Apr 2021

about the transgender woman in the bathroom loudly enough for other diners to hear. People who had nothing to do with the situation were subjected to hearing her rant.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
8. I hope they're identified because that man should have nothing to do with children in schools.
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:13 PM
Apr 2021

What an awful example he must set.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
15. How did the wife know if another woman is transgender or not? The stalls have doors
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 01:43 PM
Apr 2021

and unless the wife is conducting physical examinations on restroom patrons before they use the facilities, she would have no way of knowing anyway. This is what I find so foolish about the bathroom bills the GOP keeps introducing.

obamanut2012

(26,047 posts)
21. I just said the same thing downthread
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 02:11 PM
Apr 2021

Butch cis women are already targeted in bathrooms by women, so the bathroom bills put them at extra risk, too, as evidenced by these jerks. Like you said, unless she said a penis and testicles, how does she even know the woman is trans. Not that it matters, but just to be factual.

Dan

(3,539 posts)
38. I did and thanks much.
Wed Apr 28, 2021, 03:26 PM
Apr 2021

But I am sure glad that I am old, cause life is getting too confusing for me .

obamanut2012

(26,047 posts)
20. Also, the woman in question could have been a cis woman
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 02:08 PM
Apr 2021

Many cis women are butch, and this was one huge concern when the "bathroom laws" started, that non-"feminine" woman would be targeted and attacked, because they already sometimes are.

And no, of course it doesn't matter if it was a trans woman, but I am betting it was a cis woman, which adds an extra layer of fuckedupness.

obamanut2012

(26,047 posts)
27. Statement from Superintendent and the BoE
Tue Apr 27, 2021, 02:43 PM
Apr 2021

As most of you know, a video of a Neptune Township School District staff member engaging in an unfortunate and inappropriate interaction at a restaurant over the weekend has essentially “gone viral” and has been brought to our attention. This event is troubling as its perception potentially threatens the social-emotional well-being and climate of belonging that our Neptune School District community represents. Although we cannot comment on the details of confidential personnel matters, we can say the Board of Education and Administration are taking this matter seriously. In our district, we celebrate our diversity and the uniqueness of all of our school community members. The actions shown in the video do not reflect our district’s commitment to inclusivity, cooperation, respect, and non-violence. The Board of Education and Superintendent will respond to this incident in a manner that is appropriate and relative to the seriousness of the situation and that takes into consideration the impact this incident has had on the reputation of our wonderful district.

Dr. Tami R. Crader, Superintendent
Ms. Chanta L. Jackson, Board of Education President

Hekate

(90,565 posts)
28. Aside from their bigotry problem, I wonder if the Smurros have an alcohol problem. Pretty unhinged
Wed Apr 28, 2021, 12:59 AM
Apr 2021

...public behavior.

The entire restroom “problem” is damned easy to fix. Under the ADA, there are requirements for wheelchair-accessible facilities that have been law for quite a few years. I can’t speak for the rest of the country, but nearly everywhere I go in California has at least one room that has a Man/Woman/Wheelchair sign on the door.

There may be other facilities as well, featuring a row of stalls for women and a row of urinals plus stalls for men. But if there is room for only one toilet on the premises, it is likely to be large enough for a wheelchair-user plus attendant, or a mom with toddler and stroller, or a traveller with a suitcase — and the door locks for privacy. And nobody gives a damn how you dress or what your gender may or may not be.

I will be overjoyed when this non-issue is solved for every public school, in particular, by installation of accessible stalls like these. That guy is a vice-principal? I shudder to think of the harm he is causing his students.

Meanwhile, I personally don’t care if someone who wants/needs to identify/dress as female wants to share one stall in a row of stalls in the women’s room when I’m there. If nothing else, I recognize the risk of personal danger they face if forced to half-undress in the men’s room — because, gentlemen, that’s what we have to do, every time.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
29. Here is a picture of the drunken couple, love the restroom sign in the back.
Wed Apr 28, 2021, 02:09 AM
Apr 2021

I could be wrong but these two are in some big trouble...GOOD. Fucking assholes.

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ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
41. He is a stupid fellow and I guess he wants to make sure we know!
Wed Apr 28, 2021, 04:31 PM
Apr 2021

I read that he and the wife were at a Renaissance Fair I guess they couldn't find the Caveman Fair.

riversedge

(70,098 posts)
31. The woman who threw a milkshake at Matt Gaetz got jail and probation time.............
Wed Apr 28, 2021, 02:33 AM
Apr 2021

Time will tell if the pair press charges against the Vice Principle.


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“We did nothing wrong, other than spill a little bit of beer” Lisa Smurro said.

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