Manchin - Passing HR1 could lead to another Jan 6, "not going to be part of it"

[Eid Ma Clack Shaw]

At least that’s the justification for his endorsement of a status quo being warped by Republicans to deny minorities a vote. Maybe that sort of thing plays especially well with the good folk of West Virginia.

Link to tweet

[Cracklin Charlie]

1. Does Manchin know of a new plot to overthrow the government?

His statement seems like a warning of something not hypothetical.

[Walleye]

2. Maybe he should find out what led to January 6 before he jumps to a second one

[Takket]

3. he should be expelled from the party

yes i realize that would put the rethugs back in the majority of the senate, but enough is enough. HR1 is the single most important bill to preserving our rights as Americans since the civil rights bill. And this is his attitude about it?

the rethugs are gutting our voting rights and he has the audacity to sit there and imply the HR1 is the problem????

Fuck him.

[JohnSJ]

14. No. What we need to do is win enough seats in the Senate to make him obsolete

[Crunchy Frog]

23. With new state voting laws that will render that impossible?

[JohnSJ]

25. No it won't, and we should still be able to get out the vote. If people decide it is hopeless, then

we will lose. “Why bother to vote”

That is just what the republicans want

[PortTack]

28. Exactly! Besides many of these laws now being challenged in the courts will not stand

[FoxNewsSucks]

38. You mean the courts packed by Moscow Mitch?

Right. They'll make sure minorities and anyone intending to vote D will get properly counted votes. Yep, they're gonna get right on that.

[uponit7771]

34. People are not paying half assed attention if they think brute forcing another GOTv is going

... to keep winning democrats elections especially in 2022.

Relaying facts is not rendering hopelessness its facing the hill to be climbed ... we need to make as much noise for HR1 as possible with Manchin

[CrackityJones75]

40. So the solution is?

What is your solution? How do we make Manchin cony? Gunpoint?

[JohnSJ]

43. It seems some prefer to give up

[aeromanKC]

4. Great!! We could throw more seditionist MAGAt's in prison then!!

Next.

[DURHAM D]

5. Obviously his brain is broken.

Must be the coal he has inhaled.

[bullimiami]

6. Maybe he is scared of Republicans

[SWBTATTReg]

7. What about our distrust after these thugs tried to overthrow the government on 1/6/21?

They proved that they were capable of doing bad things to overthrow results they didn't like already. Where is our valid response to these thugs (this is it, HR1/S1)? What about our rights being that republicans have filed over 200 bills w/ voter restrictions? What about our distrust of republicans right and left? There is far more distrust caused by the wrong side and we're getting punished for it because we want a fair voting bill?

[BigmanPigman]

8. If there is such a thing as a DINO, than he is it.

He is a Dem In Name Only, in my opinion anyway.

[brush]

21. He's so enjoying his 15 min. of fame/power.

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I do think Joe Biden can induce him with enough shovel-ready infrastructure projest for his state with good jobs for unemployed coal miners that he might come around to getting bills passed thru reconciliation, because 10 republicans are never going to vote for a Democratic bill.

Manchin knows this. He's just a full-of-himself fool enjoying being the center of attention.

[PortTack]

29. Saw an interview with Schumer just today. He's planning on bringing a vote on HR1 in August

He seemed think some form of the bill will pass

Manchin always does a lot of postering, and we may have to change it some to get him to sign on. Manchin also said over the weekend that he was not going to try and stop Biden’s agenda...that to me says he’s already postering in our direction

[CrackityJones75]

42. This actually is a solution... And a good one.

It let’s WV see manchin as a leading democrat that could bring good jobs to WV and they will be green Nobs and Biden can be the guy that worked with Manchin.

Played correctly this could be a massive change in the heart of deep red country.We may be watching some masterpiece theater here.

[LonePirate]

9. Is he siding with the terrorists here?

[Indykatie]

10. Dems Have to Win Additional Senate Seats in 2022 If They Want to Enact More Progressive Legislation

Manchin is a White man from ruby red WV. Did we really think he was ever going to embrace real filibuster reform or legislation to protect access to the ballot box for Brown and Black people?

[msongs]

12. that's the solution. crank up the PR machine...if there is one..and get to work for 2022 nt

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. Without HR1, winning more seats is a naive fantasy. Nt

[PortTack]

30. Oh....we definitely are going to gain seats 1-2 in the senate. Of course if the house falls it won't

Matter as far as passing legislation

[Celerity]

45. You're a bit more optimistic than I am about the Senate IF we don't get the voter rights/protections

bills passed.

There are only 3 Rethug-held seats that are truly in the 'good chance to flip' category

PA (open) Dem Governor is the only firewall
NC (open) Dem Governor is the only firewall (Lara Trump is a huge wild card here, Jeff Jackson should be our nominee, he would have won in 2020 IMHO)
WI (the POS RoJo or open) Dem Governor is the only firewall, but is often steamrollered

The rest are large (FL, barring Trumpian shenanigans, OH, despite Portman retiring) to huge (IA, even if Grassley retires, his grandson will likely win, IN, and MO, despite Blunt retiring) to basically impossible, reaches (including Rand Paul, he is not going to lose), especially given the horrific history we have had in the last 2 first midterms of a Dem POTUS (1994 and 2010)

We have 4 at-risk seats (in order of risk)

GA (Warnock) Rethug trifecta at state level (House Senate, Governor)
NH (Hassan) Rethug trifecta at state level (House Senate, Governor)
NV (Cortez-Masto) Dem trifecta at state level (House Senate, Governor helps here, as does Sandoval turning down running)
AZ (Kelly) Rethug trifecta at state level (House Senate, Governor)

Wild card is VT, if Leahy retires and their very popular Rethug gov Scott runs

Michael Bennet should be safe in CO

[Fiendish Thingy]

48. Without HR1, Warnock is gone, and legislatures in OH and WI will try the same tricks as GA

OH and WI are Dems best chances at pick ups.

So, no, without HR1, Dems won’t pick up any more Senate seats, and will likely lose 1-3 seats.

[Marcuse]

15. That's no excuse. So was Robert Byrd. He can change if he has the courage to do the right thing.

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. Without HR1, Dems can't win more senate seats, and will lose the house.

When state legislatures can overturn election results they don’t like, Dems don’t have a chance.

Manchin better plan ahead for a long, hot summer with WV streets filled with vaccinated protestors.

[Eid Ma Clack Shaw]

20. Yep, not to mention the Presidency.

At this point, it’s a mere formality that Donald Trump or one of his offspring will be shuffling into the White House on January 20 2025.

[Mad_Machine76]

27. I hear your concern

but this is not a foregone conclusion and shouldn't be treated as such

[PortTack]

33. Agree! A popular incumbent President is not easily defeated. There have only been 3 one term

Presidents that were voted out.

Not really worried about Biden’s re-election

[FoxNewsSucks]

39. Yeah, it's not like someone could win

by millions of votes, then get the Presidency stolen out from under them. He's just gotta get more votes, that's all.

[PortTack]

31. Those laws are being challenged with a 6th suit filed in GA just today. The most egregious parts

Will not stand

[Ka-Dinh Oy]

11. I just said everything I feel about him.

It is not nice. That is all I will say as to not get into trouble.

[ananda]

13. This is so crazy it beggars belief!

So his solution to Jan 6 is to make sure Reeps win?

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

50. Well, logically, making sure the Republiqans win, ending democracy in the US,

and installing The Great Liar as Dictator for Life, will ensure that the fascist QOP will not sack the Capitol again.

[ananda]

51. That sounds quite normal, the curse of our existence these days.

THIS IS NOT NORMAL, LOGICAL, OR GOOD IN ANY WAY!!!!

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. Fuck. That. Guy. His legacy will be the dismantling of American Democracy. Nt

[Hugh_Lebowski]

19. If the other side were not 100% and completely full of shit, this argument MIGHT hold a very

very tiny bit of merit.

But they ARE, unequivocally and completely full of shit.

Ergo ... Fuck You Joe!

[Crunchy Frog]

22. That's what's usually referred to as"giving in to terrorists".

Good job Joe! You'll be able to claim credit for the end of democracy in America. I certainly won't begrudge it to you.

[Fullduplexxx]

26. Remove him from the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee

Then pull any project slated for his state

[turbinetree]

35. He really does give sane people a headache, I guess he hasn't figured out that the right wing

has been trying to over throw the country since 1960, when Nixon lost.......

[prodigitalson]

36. Manchin is a moral and physical coward

He knows supporting HR 1 is the right thing to do. But as Jesus might say he chose the way if the way of goat when he knew the sheep were right.

[Pobeka]

37. I have $100 for you Joe Manchin, if you vote for SB1.

If not, it goes to your opponent in the primary.

And I'm not from your state.
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If he's worried about being re-elected, maybe it's time for some letter writing to the Sen from W. VA., and let him know there's money that can work for him, or against his re-election.

Does he want to be the one that history books will say scuttled democracy, or joined with the other Dems and saved it?

[Polybius]

41. So is he voting against it?

Or does he just want some changes?

[malaise]

44. Jan 6 was about overturning an election

not the passage of a bill. Is he saying you either do what ReTHUGs want or face another attempted coup?

Fuck him!

[moondust]

46. "January 6 changed me"

April 8:

~
"The only thing I would caution anybody and everybody about is that we had an insurrection on January 6, because of voting, right? And lack of trust in voting? We should not, at all, attempt to do anything that would create more distrust and division."
~
Joe Manchin learned all of the wrong lessons from the Capitol riot: "Jan. 6 changed me"

Appeaser of insurrectionists. Somebody tell Joe to Google "Neville Chamberlain."

[BradAllison]

47. He just admitted it'll anger racists.

Which is half his base.

[dsc]

49. So how isn't this just giving any minority that is willing to ransack the Capitol veto power over

our laws? There is nothing remotely resembling a good faith argument coming from that side in regards to elections. NC and GA have quite similar voting laws and had them for over a decade. In NC, the GOP won, so no lawsuits, no riots, no pleas to overturn the election, no temper tantrums, nothing. The Dems lost one state wide race in NC by less than 400 votes out of millions cast, and there was one recount, showing she still lost, and that was that. She conceded the very next day. Contrast that with GA, which again, had the same rules in regards to absentee voting, the same rules in regards to early voting, the same rules in regards to day of voting. The only difference is GA has voter ID and NC doesn't. Their sole complaint is Black people voted and our candidate lost. That is the entirely of their complaint.

Let's fast forward to NC future thanks if HR 1 doesn't pass.

Redistricting here is solely the provence of the legislature which is GOP controlled. Last time they got caught racially gerrymandering and thus lost in federal court so they went from super majority with a minority of the two party vote, to a near super majority with a minority of the two party vote. They won't make that mistake again. In 2022, the NC legislature will have a veto proof majority and will use that to expand our court allowing the legislature to appoint seats (If we manage to hold it in the elections). Then their maps will be untouchable. So our CD will be 10 to 4 or 11 to 3 their favor no matter how many of us vote, and the legislature will be super majority GOP no matter how many of us vote. We can win every statewide election after that, and it won't matter. Those seats will never change.