I'm beginning to think Trump will never be charged with a crime

[helpisontheway]

If he is not charged he might attempt to run again. It is frustrating because at first there were hints that he could be in deep trouble. Now crickets.. smh

[JohnSJ]

1. Unfortunately, I don't think he will be charged with the insurrection, or incitement. I think there

is a 50:50 chance though that he will be charged with other crimes relating to misuse of funds and or tax issues

Trump will be 78 in 2024, and in spite of the "big talk" that comes from various trump circles, I think his physical and mental state will deteriorate to such a degree, that he won't be a viable candidate.

The risk will be from those who have the racist, sexist, bigoted mindset of trump who will run

Hawley comes to mind

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. Remember a legal expert saying at the time that if he couldn't be convicted in a

Political setting, i.e. impeachment, they doubted a prosecutor would try him in a court where the rules are stricter.

That said, thought more evidence would come to light uncovering his involvement before it happened. Like direct orders to make sure the Capitol was not protected. Or direct instructions to the right wind groups.

But he is a slimy bastard. It was all probably done with his wink and nod. That it came off at all probably only served to boost his ego.

[xmas74]

48. I've always said he won't be tried in a federal court

If anything happens it will be in a state- most likely New York.

[Best_man23]

34. If Democrats want to reduce the chances tRump will run in 2024

They need to first retain all the top level government seats in Virginia (Gov, LtGov, Attorney General) as this election is seen as a bellweather for the midterms.

The second is to deliver such an ass whooping in the midterms (across the entire ballot, not just Congress) that all but the most delusional Republicant starts to seriously rethink their blind loyalty to tRump.

[xmas74]

47. It's a well known fact in political circles in Missouri

That Hawley is already planning his 2024 presidential campaign.

[Raine]

2. I don't think he'll be charged with anything either. nt

[duforsure]

3. I think under Merrick Garland it will be very carefully done,

And why it may take 6 months to promote a case, or cases they know all the facts, and not be rushed into losing cases. We also don't know what impact it would make on other cases if it were taken to court now. If charges are filed under Garland, he has the goods to win it in court , and the former guy will be screwed in court against them. I wish it were faster, but to insure a solid case by taking extra time may serve us better.

[gab13by13]

21. It isn't just about federal crimes,

anyone want to take a bet that Cy Vance retires before he brings a case against Trump?

I read an article where Allen Weiselberger stated that he was unaware of any illegalities, he just handled Trump's money. I thought to myself, this can't be, they can't let that statement slide.

I honestly believe that E. Jeanne Carroll may be the first case against Trump that goes to trial or Trump will have to settle by paying her a ton of money. Carroll's attorneys are darn sharp. I am waiting for Trump to provide his DNA which a judge already ruled on.

[brooklynite]

53. You realize that when a DA retires, they don't toss out all the cases his office was working on?

Are you under the impression that his replacement will be LESS willing to prosecute if there are provable charges?

[StarfishSaver]

29. This

They know doing it right is better than doing it fast.

[Kablooie]

4. Trump is expert at not leaving evidence he's personally responsible for anything.

People below him are the only ones who can be proven to have committed crimes.
They aren't going to charge Trump unless they have solid physical proof.
The recordings are the most damning but his lawyers will come up with alternate justifications which throw doubt on his motive.

so I agree that he will get off Scott free as he has his whole life.

[mahina]

5. We disagree. I think he's going to die in prison

In part because it cheers me up. What a time.

[AZ8theist]

6. You're forgetting the Georgia phone calls...

Direct evidence in violation of the RICO act, among other crimes.

[duforsure]

11. And many other cases there will be plenty of evidence against the former guy,

When it all gets exposed he'll be toast. But then he'll claim he has medical conditions so it might be in a prison hospital setting. He'll be the most investigated person in our country's history, and it will all be uncovered in time. Cohen got time, and he will to for the payoffs and tax evasions, and likely many other crimes we aren't aware of yet.

[Calista241]

52. He'll never be charged for that.

The calls can easily be explained away, and he never actually said "do this illegal act for me." The law is explicit, and he skirted around the issue, but he didn't actually ask Raffensperger to do anything illegal. Raffensperger wasn't offered anything in exchange for performing an illegal act either.

Yes, i know everyone is going to bring up the "find 11k votes" conversation, but unfortunately that's not illegal. It was perfectly qualified and phrased in such a way to make it a legal conversation. Is it sketchy, yep. Is Trump a douchebag, yep. It's still not illegal.

And anyway, there's no chance the Fulton DA will be able to keep hard core Trumpers off any jury. She won't be allowed to ask potential jurors who they voted for or who they supported. 75 million people voted for that fuckface, and Biden barely, by the skin of his teeth, won Georgia.

This isn't even close to a RICO case. I feel like people throw out terms like that when they don't really know what they're talking about. RICO is for a situation when person A asks person B to commit a crime. When person B is caught, person A can't be prosecuted because he didn't commit the crime. Trump made the call himself. If the call was a violation, he's directly responsible and there's no need to try to bring up the RICO statute.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. Which recordings are you referring to?

[gab13by13]

23. I'm guessing,

the phone calls he made to Georgia's official asking him to come up with 11k plus votes. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one either.

[2naSalit]

24. The calls to...

The Georgia Sec of state that he and lindsey made insisting that he "find" votes or thew out votes. Those were recorded and charges are in process.

[Habitation]

7. Billionaires are modern Gods, they can't be charged criminally nt

[gab13by13]

25. ...or be audited by the IRS.

[UCmeNdc]

8. I really hope your wrong but I am afraid you might be right. Sad but True

Trump seems to be too slick and plays the legal system too well. Trump buys off the right people at the right time and place.

[Dorian Gray]

9. Beginning to believe?

Does he deserve to be charged? Absolutely.

But we live in a society that protects powerful people at all costs. It'll never ever happen.

Maybe his dumb shit son may get charged with something. But, that'll be the end of the line.

[Maine Abu El Banat]

10. Right with you friend

A lot of talk! No action, not even against Gouliani. (Misspell intended). So is treason legal now?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

62. Ok.... Had to go back and fnd your post from earlier!!!! I cant

Believe the feds raided his office! Did you know?

[Maine Abu El Banat]

64. Yes!!!!!

There may be a god!!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

65. You're a genius!!!! DM me when you have another big scoop!!! Lol

[kentuck]

12. Some historians will record...

...that he betrayed his country.

That he incited an insurrection against the Congress as they were transferring power after an election.

And that he was not charged with anything.

It put a lie to the old myth that no one is above the law.

[634-5789]

13. Financial shenanigans will bring him down. Gonna be a thing

[Laura PourMeADrink]

20. But can't he just say an accountant was responsible for this and that?

Say it's tax evasion, for example. He signs his returns but blames staff who prepared return. What's needed to prove evasion? More than a sig?

[634-5789]

35. Nope, his signature says he agrees to the content.

Expect the tax evasion suit to go forward. That's how they'll get that SOB.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

37. Well someone at IRS has been a slacker for all these years.

[gab13by13]

45. I see that president Biden wants to

pump a ton of money to the IRS to go after billionaires. What's the chances that gets through?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

60. Funny I've been always envisioning a whole division just working

on Trump taxes. Maybe they could never figure anything out so it just kept snowballing every year? Like I doubt if he's got a line item on his balance sheet "due to Russian oligarchs"

I bet they have antiquated tools to use too.

[blueinredohio]

14. Definitely agree!

[Buckeyeblue]

15. If he's charged it has to be a good, solid case and not seem nitpicky

Former presidents don't get charged with crimes. Some probably should have been charged. While I would like to see him held accountable, I'm not sure I have the wherewithal to watch the ensuing circus.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

26. Sorry, had to laugh. You are right... But the bar's pretty high, ey

Guess inciting insurrection was nitpicking to GOP

I have heard that many times that former presidents don't get charged with crimes. Like what has any of them done? That comes close to matching trump?

[Luciferous]

38. Well George Bush is a war criminal...

[gab13by13]

46. Technically you are correct,

but Dick Cheney was really running the show. When 9/11 happened W just flew around in AF-1 and didn't even have communications with Cheney.

[underpants]

16. As an ex-President it's highly unlikely he will

He takes advantage of norms and decorum like the little rich snot that he still is.

[Duncanpup]

18. Let's give Mr Garland time friend

Also the attorney general in Georgia it’s a new administration keep the hope that we will have justice.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

28. What's always seemed underreported to me... Re financial

Shenanigans....*if* it was true that he was always under audit with IRS, why didn't they ever catch anything? Didn't cohen say he got the biggest refund of any person one year?

[Celerity]

22. he has only been out of office 98 days, give it all some time nt

[gab13by13]

27. The state crimes have been going on longer.

[Celerity]

30. I am by nature a hyper-critical person, but even I am going to patient on this all.

[Atticus]

32. This. nt

[Fullduplexxx]

31. Mueller provided a path to 10 counts of ooj and nothing is being done about it

The only going to jail will be another lyndsie England

[leftyladyfrommo]

33. I am hoping he will just die.

I am so sick of him.

[Autumn]

36. I've never thought for moment he would be. We have a tiered justice system here.

The powerful, connected and the wealthy do not face justice. Their crimes are all swept under the rug and they are activly "rehabilitaed". Kissenger, Cheney, Bush, to name just a few.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

39. But is there a distinction between amoral political

decisions vs. breaking actual specific laws?

[Autumn]

40. Isn't committing war crimes breaking actual specific laws? Are there specific laws

involveing the illegal sale of weapons?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

44. Yep, in Malaysia. That's the exact reason why so many if us think they get

away with everything

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/amp35397/bush-cheney-war-crimes/

Richard Clarke

"I think things that they authorized probably fall within the area of war crimes. Whether that would be productive or not, I think, is a discussion we could all have. But we have established procedures now with the International Criminal Court in The Hague, where people who take actions as serving presidents or prime ministers of countries have been indicted and have been tried. So the precedent is there to do that sort of thing. And I think we need to ask ourselves whether or not it would be useful to do that in the case of members of the Bush administration. It's clear that things that the Bush administration did — in my mind, at least, it's clear that some of the things they did were war crimes."

[Autumn]

55. Calley was originally given a life sentence here and only served only three-and-a-half

years under house arrest. Some of those "folks" who were patriots that worked under John Brennon got even less.

[Paladin]

41. I agree. The sonovabitch will get away with it.

The best we can hope for is long-term historical condemnation.

I came to that conclusion after reading my 50th "Prosecutors say they have shit-loads of evidence against trump" headline---followed by crickets.

[kacekwl]

42. There is tons of evidence to bring a myriad of charges against trump and

his inner circle. Now those who have the ability to and those who make the decision whether we punish these criminals or we once AGAIN let it slide for the good of those who will surely do it again. There will never be a man and his party who are so open about their crimes so if no punishment is given now it never will be.

[brooklynite]

43. We don't rush indictments to make base voters happy

We prepare cases methodically; especially complex ones. They take the time they take.

[gab13by13]

49. I'm sure that you are correct but,

the guy does seem to be above the law, even in cut and dry cases. He signed documents when he bought Mar-el-Loco that he would never use the club as a residence.

[brooklynite]

51. And the City of Palm Beach changed its mind on the restriction...

....this is, needless to say, a civil matter, not a criminal one.

[electric_blue68]

50. I still have hope. There's tons of stuff to go through in the NYSD

Of course, I really want him to go to jail for The Insurection.

But I'll happily see him in prison for tax, other money crimes! 😁👍👍👍👍👍👍

[Fiendish Thingy]

54. It hasn't even been 100 days, why so impatient?

Do you want quick indictments that will be dismissed, or charges that will result in convictions?

[Goodheart]

56. Our history of not punishing Republican crimes

Nixon's, Reagan's, both Bush's..... emboldened trump.

And not punishing trump means the next Republican will be that much worse.

[GoodRaisin]

57. That won't stop M$M from reporting what deep trouble he might be in.

[Golden Raisin]

58. He's skated and successfully avoided charges and justice his entire life.

I'm not holding out much hope, particularly now with the extra added status of "Ex-President". Would dearly love to be proven wrong but am not holding my breath.

[msfiddlestix]

59. Agreed. Except, I've came down hard on that conclusion past few weeks...

Can't say precisely when that moment solidified for me, but let's just say the mere fact that he isn't quaking in his boots right now, pretty much says it all. He's not worried in the least about any State or Criminal charges.

Hell, he doesn't even seem to be concerned about any civil lawsuits. He continues engaging in fraudulent schemes to raise money for his legal and personal financial interests, and continues to be in the public light without a freaking care in the world except raising more money.

Last night I received a text from his campaign demanding money and threatening to pay up or be considered a traitor. How did the Trump Campaign/RNC get my phone number? They must have hacked the DNC data base. I feel like that has to be a criminal offense.

Who do I report it to? FEC? Are they Trump supporters too?

In any event, there are far more serious crimes being committed daily. But just the criminal activity in the past five years, should have resulted in swift criminal/judicial action. He did stuff OUT IN THE OPEN, as well as "secretly".

A few weeks ago, the public had been informed of a well seasoned prosecutor joining the Manhattan DA's investigation. Michael Cohen was for a media moment or two quite public on how well advanced that was going. But nothing for weeks and weeks.

This past Monday eve, I had tuned into Rachael Maddow's show, and in a few minutes I had to turn it off. I can't take any of it anymore.

I haven't tuned into cable since then. It had become such a routine, I was watching daily mostly to see if any of the Trump Crime family and their Lieutenants were at least indicted if not charged with an array of crimes.

But no, not an effin' word about any of it. I skim through DU headlines to see if it's happened yet. And that's how I'll be checking. Staying of the TV political shows. At least as a matter of routine.

Needless to say, not optimistic. Now for the most part, I'm going to try to just think about my music, and tune the rest of the noise out as much as I can.

[greenjar_01]

61. Welcome to reality

Glad you could make it.

[BSdetect]

63. If he goes without prison I will be vastly pissed off.