. . . when he walked up to Candy Crowley and fist-bumped her; probably should have waited for her to actually put her fist up.
What a change that was, huh?
In the minds of the "undecided" low information voters, Obama didn't meet expectations and Rmoney exceeded them. In this debate, expectations in their minds are reversed.
I call the undecideds "low information" because, let's face it, if they weren't low information they'd already decided on Obama. SNL's skit was pretty close to the mark. which is scary.
Rmomney voters are the misinformation voters.
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Obama's got zingers and Robme has NUTHIN!
All Robme's stuff was lies any way. "Zat all you got man?"
A person cannot technically do anything that is not within their nature. If a person laughs once, jokes once, lies once, or loves once, it is because that one action was within their nature. Obama is very capable of tossing out zingers, and has has show this skill on occasion. Ask Donald Trump.
Since it is within Obama's nature to "zing," I don't think its fair to say that Obama just needs to be himself.
No moaning. The right wingers won't admit when Ryan lost. We need to stand with the President regardless.
You write: "No moaning. The right wingers won't admit when Ryan lost. We need to stand with the President regardless."
And I have it on good word from the troll himself, he agrees 100%. No time for backbiting now. We stand with the President.
I wish it was otherwise and frankly unless the prez falls flat on his face, I'm in his corner, but realistically folks will do what they will do.
Remember how he connected with voters the first time?
watch the debates with Hillary
He spoke to the people more so than to Hillary.
He didn't do that the last debate. I'm not sure what he did or was trying to accomplish.
Look at how Biden connected when he looked at the camera and not at the moderator or Ryan.
Obama knows how to do this........he just needs to do it.
under-the-radar anti-Dems are going to just give up an opportunity to get in more digs just before election?
You must be certifiable.
I liked your post especially this: "get in more digs just before election".
It's right on the point. Thanks.
My president good or bad.
My president animated or passive.
My president cutting Social Security, or protecting it.
My president, listening in on my phone calls and snooping on my e-mails, or not.
My president, killing innocents with drones, or not killing innocents with drones.
My president, fighting for unions and the workers, or treating them as an afterthought.
My president, doing something about rampant unemployment, or not doing something about rampant unemployment.
My president, knuckling under to Republicans or standing up to them.
I don't have interests or goals, I only have this decent and good man to adore and celebrate.
of the people I am asked to support is "self righteousness."
Eventually, I'll figure out why I end up stuck with a figure like Obama who pretends to represent my interests, while the other side gets people like Bush, who actually delivers for the people whose interests he represents. Or maybe I won't figure it out; it's all the same to me as long as I have someone to blindly cheer for.
He's been a great President considering what he walked into and how the GOP House has roadblocked him.
most vulnerable Americans.
So I am supposed to take your list of "Obama has a Super Secret Plan to Destroy Social Security and America" type conspiracy bullshit as some holy gospel?
Bush? "...actually delivers for the people whose interests he represents." The shrub was Cheney's puppet.
Then sadly it is either the guy you hate, or the guy you know will do everything you hate and twices as much of it.
When people say "the lesser of two evils is still an evil" they never come up with a way of stopping either evil.
We did that expe4riment with Nader, and it failed, hard.
We have a two party system; that means we make one of the two parties as good as we can. If this is the best we can expect of the Democrats, we're fucked, and I refuse to believe we're fucked. Sol I'm going to continue exercising my right to demand better. At this point, that's a pretty low bar, but you have to start somewhere.
Pissing and moaning on DU is the way to make a difference!
Pissing and moaning about someone else's "pissing and moaning," now, THAT accomplishes stuff. Ugh.
I actually do real world politics and yes, I get a lot done. I enjoy a real sense of accomplishment, not a pretend one.
But if Obama does not get into office this November, the only people who will listen to your demands will be rendered useless. If you want the DLC to win,let Mitt in, and the media will keep saying "Obammmmmaaaaaa was toooo far to the lefffffffftttttttt", which will switch the momentum away from the Liz Warrens and Howard Deans and towards the Rahms and Clintons."
Really, where does this stuff come from? Here's a graph of the ideological leanings of the various presidents in the last several decades:
As you can see, Obama is the MOST conservative of Democratic presidents. That's the problem: too many people think Obama is something he's not. He's not a brilliant chessplayer, he's not a liberal, he's not wiley or combative, he's really not much of anything at all. I'm stuck with him, but I don't see what pretending he's something more than he is will accomplish, except make him think he's doing a satisfactory job when he isn't. Complain. Bitch. Moan. Demand. Make yourself heard. But don't pretend, for fuck's sake. We've had enough of that for the better part of four years.
Who threatened to "obliterate Iran" with Nuclear weapons?
Who supported an amendment to the constitution that would make Flag burning a crime?
Or, what about Clinton is more left than Obama? Not her stance on the Iraq War, not her stance on Glass-Steagall.
Not her support of H1-b Visas?
And most certainly not her willingness to go into Libya. If you think that was lefty, there are many leftists that will disabuse you of that notion.
Let me ask you point blank, if Hillary won in 2008, and we were at this point, would you be as harsh and critical of her as you are of Obama?
And before you say "she would not be", she would have had the same blue dog congress, some of whom she supported, and the GOP would make the same committment to stall,lag and make her a one term president.
Would you then slam her as hard?
Here's where we are: Obama has been such a dud that the only defense of him left is to say he's better than Bush, or better than Romney would be, or now Hillary would have been. We have to deal with what's in there, and pretending you know what Hillary would have done, or what I might have said about the job you think Hillary would have done, is totally irrelevant. The "pretty chart" shows that Obama has been the most conservative Democrat in modern times, more conservative than the one Clinton who has actually been in office, and whose record we don't need the help of your imagination to assess.
.. he calls Romney on his insane budget plan, outsourcing of jobs to China and vulture capitalism, willingness to let the auto industry go belly up, multiple positions on abortion, hidden tax returns, saber rattling in the middle east, Republican obstructionism in congress, lies about death panels in the health care bill, and false stories about eliminating work requirements for welfare, for starters.
...and I will stop crying when he quits listening to advice that he be meek to avoid being seen as "an angry black man", play "rope a dope and let Romney walk all over him, or think that truth will win automatically or the media will do his job..
Do these things..or even a good portion of them..and I will be cheering and he will have another term!
And President Obama earned his re-election. He turned so much around.
You don't hear Republicans criticizing their candidate do you?
No, they support whatever the party says they need to support.
Oh, and I'm one who was positive about Obama's performance in the first debate.
And you were 100% correct, Fumesucker. Republicans know how to pull together at election time and as long as their small minority stays together they manage to win elections while we shoot each other to pieces just weeks before an election.
No one who knows you and your posts remotely thinks that you were suggesting anything other than the obvious.
to the second debate, since he was so brilliant in the first one?
Makes it look like he clean missed in the first debate but I suspect he's setting Romney up to clean his clock in the second debate.
Of course I don't pay any attention to the media at all so my attitude in this matter is not informed by their horse race coverage.
He has won every debate and he has already won this one. It's only logical.
Obama is the man! Our president!
he could kick him in the nuts this time.
If I saw Freepers exhorting each other to say that Romney won, beforehand, no matter how the actual debate performance was, I would laugh at them.
Consistency demands that I laugh condescendingly at this OP as well.
And we rag on our candidate three weeks before an election. A very serious election.
Laugh all you want. Condescend all you want. I'll gladly pick up the tab.
Because we won't be laughing at all if we lose in November.
The people that say those things aren't changing anyone's opinion.
Similarly, you accomplish nothing by admitting that you are prepared to say anything even if it is untrue.
It only makes us as embarrassing as them.
Regardless of the electoral vote count, Barack Obama is my President and Michelle is the First Lady.
Even if Mitt Romney is somehow installed in the White House, that makes no difference to me. By God, Barack Obama will still be my President. And anyone who says otherwise is a troll and should be banned.
People do not respond well to being told to sit down and shut up, no matter how much you think they need to.
.. do you have any other instructions as to how we should speak on other matters or otherwise conduct ourselves?
Mr. Romney, you shouldn't have told all of those lies---and made all of those contradicting statements.
As our President told you--the first debate was just the opening statements. You lied during those statements and denied the very policies that you've been touting for 18 months.
The second debate, as our President said, was the trial and you, Mr. Romney--were clearly out of order!
I couldn't believe it when Romney kicked the podium and declared that all of the audience members were being mean!
Next week--closing statements. Be afraid Mittens, be very afraid.
Haven't seen you on here in a long while (I've been mostly gone, life and all), but I have always enjoyed your posts.
I like this one.
I am a true blue supporter of the President & I have to say, these damn debates make me a f'ing wreck.
The only worse anxiety is election night, but I almost think these things are worse.
Thank you for your sweet words, Justitia. I took a year off. I'm here and you're here.
The DU is a great community and Skinner, EarlG, Elad and all the mods and volunteers made it so. Even those mad at me for this OP are still good people. By the way, I was spot on about the Biden debate.
President Obama is a far better man than Mitt Romney. I believe the American People know that deep down. Now, just don't be a wreck.
I'm not going to play stupid games. I'll call it as I see it. Period.
permanent crybaby Eyore mode! Put the Eyores on ignore, really there are 4 or 5 of them that are just pathological downers no matter what the situation.
Seriously, don't you have any real shit to fret about? Is your enthusiasm for Obama so fragile that you have to police other peoples' reactions?
But I'm not going to delude myself or others if he blows this one like he did the first one. That's for Republicans to create their own alternate reality.