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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCNN reports that 70% of Republicans do not believe Biden won the election.
70% !
That is some effective propaganda, right there!
Even though Biden won the popular vote by over 7 million votes, they do not think it was possible for him to win the Electoral College vote.
Why do 70% believe that Biden did not win?
FOX and right-wing media, primarily.
Where facts do not matter, democracy does not matter, elections do not matter.
The only thing that matters is power.
True Dough
(17,246 posts)Nothing going on upstairs. Easily manipuated.
msongs
(67,360 posts)don't recall his mentioning it at all along with the coup attempt
Claire Oh Nette
(2,636 posts)DOn't get too carried away--70% of 25% is 17% roughly.
The GOP wants American to believe they are 50% of the population, but they are not. They never have been.
They're louder and more obnoxious as Biden moves on without them.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)It's the number that vote that is important, not the percentage of the population.
spooky3
(34,405 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,852 posts)...those indies are not part of this dataset.
From this info, we don't have a good idea on how high the % is among independents.
But, if I was betting a buck, I'd say it's WAY lower than 70%.
spooky3
(34,405 posts)the population is Repub or to calculate 70% of 25% as feeling that way.
ProfessorGAC
(64,852 posts)The way I read it, it's 70% of people identifying themselves as Rs. So, indies aren't in there.
That said, I would not at all be surprised if the total number is substantially higher than 17.5%.
We agree there are right leaning I's who probably believe it too.
But, I would bet far lower than 70% of all indies have bought the big lie.
Yes, 17.5% is not the total number of people believing this fairy tale. We agree completely about that.
spooky3
(34,405 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)Here's the poll: https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/04/30/rel3e.-.voting.and.elections.pdf
Overall, 30% of Americans think "No, Biden did not legitimately win enough votes to win the presidency"; 70% of Republicans, 27% of Independents, and 3% of "Democrats" (seems almost any poll can get 3% of people to say something fundamentally illogical).
LakeArenal
(28,802 posts)But they hate being caught lying. So they double down on pure bs.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)believe Joe won. Thats big numbers.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)Either by actual votes or by electoral votes. It's the only thing that makes sense. Even cults don't have that much hold on people.
PA_jen
(1,114 posts)Skittles
(153,111 posts)fucking crazy LOONS
tavernier
(12,368 posts)They may not like it, but they know it.
malaise
(268,693 posts)Who cares what they think. Biden won - that's a fact.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)Then, the election will be forgotten.
flying_wahini
(6,578 posts)Sneederbunk
(14,278 posts)Scrivener7
(50,911 posts)Republicans are 25% of Americans. 70% of that is 17.5%.
Not enough to bother about.
Silent3
(15,147 posts)...because some people who identify as "independent" also buy into the stolen election BS, and, weird as it seems, you'll even find a few percentage points among people who identify as Democrats who, oddly enough, fall for this crap.
Around 1 in 5 adults living in a fantasy world of propaganda and conspiracy theories is, to me, actually pretty damned scary.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)In the United States, Obama-Trump voters, sometimes referred to as Trump Democrats or Obama Republicans, are people who voted for Democratic Party nominee Barack Obama in the 2008 or 2012 presidential elections (or both), but later voted for Republican Party nominee Donald Trump in 2016 and 2020. Data shows that in 2016, these voters comprised roughly 13% of Trump voters. In 2012, this segment of voters made up 9% of total Obama voters.
Scrivener7
(50,911 posts)Kaleva
(36,248 posts)Mad_Machine76
(24,392 posts)and the vote-splitting between four major candidates and an amazingly high (and IMHO unfair) dislike of HRC by the far left, but as far as we still know, the EC numbers were sound and, despite our massive disappointment, Obama/Biden cooperated and completed a peaceful transition to Trump and tried to leave Trump in the best possible situation before they left and there weren't any violent uprisings during the Electoral Vote counting. I still have my doubts about Election 2000 as well but that election was definitely closer and more hotly contested, particularly since SCOTUS became involved in it. But again, despite the right-wing smears to the contrary, Clinton/Gore transitioned the office over to GWB who, like Trump after him, proceeded to take a dump all over the office and the country. At least Trump was denied another term to continue his own unique brand of harm to this country.
Kaleva
(36,248 posts)triron
(21,984 posts)Elessar Zappa
(13,909 posts)There's no such proof of the 2020 Republican delusions. Don't excuse this Big Lie.
Kaleva
(36,248 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)The question was worded differently, but
According to data from the latest Harvard-Harris poll provided exclusively to The Hill, 68 percent of voters said Democrats have not accepted that Trump won fairly and is a legitimate president.
That figure includes 69 percent of Republicans, 69 percent of independents and 65 percent of Democrats.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/334972-poll-dems-dont-accept-trump-as-legitimate-president
muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)That was "what do you think about other people's feelings?" That just shows that people can have unfounded ideas about others (which can include fellow Democrats) - those are particularly susceptible to poor media coverage. The article implies that rather than any doubts about the actual counting, that was more about whether Russia influenced the election and the Trump campaign collaborated with them - which is still open to question.
LisaL
(44,972 posts)NT
Dave says
(4,616 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,852 posts)And that's with Clinton winning the popular vote!
One-third of Clinton supporters say Trump election is not legitimate, poll finds
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/13/one-third-of-clinton-supporters-say-trump-election-is-not-legitimate-poll-finds/
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There are sharp racial and gender differences in Clinton supporters acceptance of the results. Only 18 percent of whites who supported Clinton say Trump is not the legitimate winner, identical to the public overall, but fully 51 percent of black, Hispanic and other nonwhite Clinton supporters say Trumps victory was illegitimate. Women who supported Clinton are twice as likely as men to question the legitimacy of Trumps victory, 42 vs. 21 percent...
In the Post-ABC poll, nearly all of Trumps supporters say he was elected legitimately, 99 percent, also marking a turnabout in confidence from one week ago when only 69 percent said they were prepared to accept the results of the election.
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Edit: The anti-democratic attitudes of Trump supporters, and their lack of shame about it, really came through with the part that I put in bold!
So what if a Democrat received 75% of the vote someday?!
"Sorry! Our guy won the electoral college and it's totally legitimate! You lost fair and square!"
Such a-holes!
JanMichael
(24,873 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,852 posts)It was finally done by a media consortium after Dumbya was already in the WH, and their results were ironic.
If the Bush team's proposals for hand recounts had been followed, Gore would've won Florida.
If the Gore team's more liberal counting proposals had been followed, Dumbya won Florida. It turned out that most of the "dimpled chads" and such came from Bush voters!
Regardless, I never observed any shame from Republican voters back then either! Victory is all that mattered to them!
Media consortium recount:
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/us/examining-vote-overview-study-disputed-florida-ballots-finds-justices-did-not.html
Kaleva
(36,248 posts)Indies made up 31% of the voters in 2016 and Hillary got 42% of that vote.
https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls
White male Hillary supporters were far more likely to accept Trump's win as legitimate.
Far larger percentages of minority and female Hillary supporters were less likely to view Trump's win as legitimate.
"There are sharp racial and gender differences in Clinton supporters acceptance of the results. Only 18 percent of whites who supported Clinton say Trump is not the legitimate winner, identical to the public overall, but fully 51 percent of black, Hispanic and other nonwhite Clinton supporters say Trumps victory was illegitimate. Women who supported Clinton are twice as likely as men to question the legitimacy of Trumps victory, 42 vs. 21 percent."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/13/one-third-of-clinton-supporters-say-trump-election-is-not-legitimate-poll-finds/
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,852 posts)... one poll asks about Hillary supporters in 2016 whereas the other asks about Republicans in 2020.
So my guess is that the percentage would be HIGHER than 70% among Trump supporters, which supports my implication that they have a stronger denial of reality. Which is something they demonstrate regularly in other ways too.
Poiuyt
(18,114 posts)He's got such a tremendous hold on the Republicans and that won't go away as long as he's spouting his lies and demanding that they be loyal to only him.
The real question to me is why they are so hypnotized by him. Historians and psychologists will be studying this for decades.
lpbk2713
(42,736 posts)The mouth breathers drink it right up and come back for more.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)luckone
(21,646 posts)Link to tweet
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inwiththenew
(972 posts)It's a house that's been falling apart for decades. How many people believe Bush won the 2000 election? How many people though President Obama was a Muslim from Kenya? How many people think Trump won the 2016 election? Couple that with Citizen United and the spread of all sorts of right wing disinformation and you have the American democracy at its worst shape in generations. I mean people stormed the Capitol in January and the reaction to it from the right wasn't horror and a call for introspection but rather lament that they didn't go further.
It going to take decades to rebuild. I see people foolishly deluding themselves in thinking that Biden winning means that we avoided disaster and everything is good again. It is just putting a fresh coat of paint on a house that is falling down. It might mask it but it does nothing to address the rot underneath.
Kaleva
(36,248 posts)Johnny2X2X
(18,969 posts)Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire
We are going down a path where the GOP is garnering support to do away with American Democracy altogether. That's the only way they win, getting rid of free and fair elections.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)kentuck
(111,052 posts)...and nobody said anything...
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)a lot of people questioned those results - imo for better reasons. Don't remember CNN going on about it in this same way though.
ScratchCat
(1,977 posts)This is media created and they want to keep this going. 90% of Republicans know the election was not stolen and, at worst, believe the pandemic allowed a bunch of people who wouldn't have gone and stood in line to vote through mail. That's what they are pissed about and why they are trying to change the rules now. CNN and MSNBC just want to keep anything related to "Trump" in the news.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,852 posts)... which indicated that 60% of Republicans believed that Trump actually won the election.