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Sun May 2, 2021, 06:53 PM

CNN reports that 70% of Republicans do not believe Biden won the election.

70% !

That is some effective propaganda, right there!

Even though Biden won the popular vote by over 7 million votes, they do not think it was possible for him to win the Electoral College vote.

Why do 70% believe that Biden did not win?

FOX and right-wing media, primarily.

Where facts do not matter, democracy does not matter, elections do not matter.

The only thing that matters is power.

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Reply CNN reports that 70% of Republicans do not believe Biden won the election. (Original post)
kentuck May 2 OP
True Dough May 2 #1
msongs May 2 #2
Claire Oh Nette May 2 #3
kentuck May 2 #10
spooky3 May 2 #15
ProfessorGAC May 2 #18
spooky3 May 2 #23
ProfessorGAC May 2 #27
spooky3 May 2 #32
muriel_volestrangler May 3 #49
LakeArenal May 2 #4
Baked Potato May 2 #5
Frustratedlady May 2 #6
PA_jen May 2 #7
Skittles May 2 #8
tavernier May 2 #9
malaise May 2 #11
kentuck May 2 #12
flying_wahini May 2 #13
Sneederbunk May 2 #14
Scrivener7 May 2 #16
Silent3 May 2 #17
kentuck May 2 #19
Scrivener7 May 2 #22
Kaleva May 2 #20
Mad_Machine76 May 2 #30
Kaleva May 3 #37
triron May 3 #51
Elessar Zappa May 3 #40
Kaleva May 3 #41
uponit7771 May 3 #42
Hoyt May 2 #21
muriel_volestrangler May 3 #52
LisaL May 2 #24
Dave says May 2 #25
Buckeye_Democrat May 2 #26
JanMichael May 2 #28
Buckeye_Democrat May 2 #29
Kaleva May 3 #38
Buckeye_Democrat May 3 #43
Poiuyt May 2 #31
lpbk2713 May 2 #33
roamer65 May 2 #34
luckone May 2 #35
inwiththenew May 3 #36
Kaleva May 3 #39
Johnny2X2X May 3 #44
lagomorph777 May 3 #45
kentuck May 3 #47
lagomorph777 May 3 #48
redqueen May 3 #46
ScratchCat May 3 #50
Buckeye_Democrat May 3 #53

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 06:54 PM

1. Flat Earthers!

Nothing going on upstairs. Easily manipuated.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 06:54 PM

2. IMO joe biden missed a big op to rebut this lie in his recent speech to congress.

don't recall his mentioning it at all along with the coup attempt

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 06:57 PM

3. 25% of voters identify as Repiublican

DOn't get too carried away--70% of 25% is 17% roughly.

The GOP wants American to believe they are 50% of the population, but they are not. They never have been.

They're louder and more obnoxious as Biden moves on without them.

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Response to Claire Oh Nette (Reply #3)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:01 PM

10. How do they get 50% (approximately) in elections?

It's the number that vote that is important, not the percentage of the population.

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Response to Claire Oh Nette (Reply #3)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:27 PM

15. A lot of "independents" vote Republican, so that increases the %. Nt

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #15)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:34 PM

18. While True...

...those indies are not part of this dataset.
From this info, we don't have a good idea on how high the % is among independents.
But, if I was betting a buck, I'd say it's WAY lower than 70%.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #18)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:56 PM

23. But that means it is not appropriate to conclude that only 25% of

the population is Repub or to calculate 70% of 25% as feeling that way.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #23)

Sun May 2, 2021, 08:48 PM

27. Only For This Study

The way I read it, it's 70% of people identifying themselves as Rs. So, indies aren't in there.
That said, I would not at all be surprised if the total number is substantially higher than 17.5%.
We agree there are right leaning I's who probably believe it too.
But, I would bet far lower than 70% of all indies have bought the big lie.
Yes, 17.5% is not the total number of people believing this fairy tale. We agree completely about that.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #27)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:46 PM

32. You may need to re-read the post to which I originally applied. Nt

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #27)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:56 AM

49. 27% of Independents in the poll think that; overall, it's 30%

Here's the poll: https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/04/30/rel3e.-.voting.and.elections.pdf

Overall, 30% of Americans think "No, Biden did not legitimately win enough votes to win the presidency"; 70% of Republicans, 27% of Independents, and 3% of "Democrats" (seems almost any poll can get 3% of people to say something fundamentally illogical).

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 06:58 PM

4. It's a lie. I believe the Pukes know it's a lie.

But they hate being caught lying. So they double down on pure bs.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 06:58 PM

5. I assume 100% of Democrats and 30% of Repubs

believe Joe won. Thatís big numbers.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 06:58 PM

6. The only reason I can believe this is...they must have thought the "fix" was in.

Either by actual votes or by electoral votes. It's the only thing that makes sense. Even cults don't have that much hold on people.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 06:59 PM

7. excuse me

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:00 PM

8. I think they know Biden won, and just refuse to ADMIT IT

fucking crazy LOONS

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:01 PM

9. I don't believe that.

They may not like it, but they know it.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:11 PM

11. Why are they even doing polls about this shit?

Who cares what they think. Biden won - that's a fact.

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Response to malaise (Reply #11)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:15 PM

12. This is all Republicans will think about until he is charged with a crime...

Then, the election will be forgotten.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:19 PM

13. This isn't going away. Setting up next National election as a big fight.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:24 PM

14. The Big Lie lives.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:27 PM

16. That means that 17.5% of Americans.

Republicans are 25% of Americans. 70% of that is 17.5%.

Not enough to bother about.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #16)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:32 PM

17. It's going to be higher than that...

...because some people who identify as "independent" also buy into the stolen election BS, and, weird as it seems, you'll even find a few percentage points among people who identify as Democrats who, oddly enough, fall for this crap.

Around 1 in 5 adults living in a fantasy world of propaganda and conspiracy theories is, to me, actually pretty damned scary.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #16)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:39 PM

19. From Wikipedia:

In the United States, Obama-Trump voters, sometimes referred to as Trump Democrats or Obama Republicans, are people who voted for Democratic Party nominee Barack Obama in the 2008 or 2012 presidential elections (or both), but later voted for Republican Party nominee Donald Trump in 2016 and 2020. Data shows that in 2016, these voters comprised roughly 13% of Trump voters. In 2012, this segment of voters made up 9% of total Obama voters.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #19)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:53 PM

22. How does that relate?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:48 PM

20. Who here believes Trump won fairly in 2016?

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #20)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:04 PM

30. I believe that Russia helped Trump win via social media in 2016

and the vote-splitting between four major candidates and an amazingly high (and IMHO unfair) dislike of HRC by the far left, but as far as we still know, the EC numbers were sound and, despite our massive disappointment, Obama/Biden cooperated and completed a peaceful transition to Trump and tried to leave Trump in the best possible situation before they left and there weren't any violent uprisings during the Electoral Vote counting. I still have my doubts about Election 2000 as well but that election was definitely closer and more hotly contested, particularly since SCOTUS became involved in it. But again, despite the right-wing smears to the contrary, Clinton/Gore transitioned the office over to GWB who, like Trump after him, proceeded to take a dump all over the office and the country. At least Trump was denied another term to continue his own unique brand of harm to this country.

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Response to Mad_Machine76 (Reply #30)

Mon May 3, 2021, 03:25 AM

37. My guess is that a majority of DUers don't believe Trump actually won in 2016

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #37)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:07 AM

51. He didn't. Lots of evidence to that. Many disregard it.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #20)

Mon May 3, 2021, 04:05 AM

40. Except there's proof Russia interfered in 2016.

There's no such proof of the 2020 Republican delusions. Don't excuse this Big Lie.

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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #40)

Mon May 3, 2021, 04:14 AM

41. But there's no proof that it affected the actual outcome.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #20)

Mon May 3, 2021, 04:46 AM

42. Russia helped Trump, we don't know how much but it wasn't zero 0% and that's bad enough

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:50 PM

21. Biden looks like the Prez to me. Many Democratic felt same about trump.

The question was worded differently, butó

ď According to data from the latest Harvard-Harris poll provided exclusively to The Hill, 68 percent of voters said Democrats have not accepted that Trump won fairly and is a legitimate president.

That figure includes 69 percent of Republicans, 69 percent of independents and 65 percent of Democrats.Ē

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/334972-poll-dems-dont-accept-trump-as-legitimate-president

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #21)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:08 AM

52. That's a different question, not just a different wording

That was "what do you think about other people's feelings?" That just shows that people can have unfounded ideas about others (which can include fellow Democrats) - those are particularly susceptible to poor media coverage. The article implies that rather than any doubts about the actual counting, that was more about whether Russia influenced the election and the Trump campaign collaborated with them - which is still open to question.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:59 PM

24. Sucks to be them.

NT

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 07:59 PM

25. F'ing A**holes, every one of them!

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 08:11 PM

26. Democrats weren't in that much denial in 2016!

And that's with Clinton winning the popular vote!

One-third of Clinton supporters say Trump election is not legitimate, poll finds
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/13/one-third-of-clinton-supporters-say-trump-election-is-not-legitimate-poll-finds/
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There are sharp racial and gender differences in Clinton supportersí acceptance of the results. Only 18 percent of whites who supported Clinton say Trump is not the legitimate winner, identical to the public overall, but fully 51 percent of black, Hispanic and other nonwhite Clinton supporters say Trumpís victory was illegitimate. Women who supported Clinton are twice as likely as men to question the legitimacy of Trumpís victory, 42 vs. 21 percent...

In the Post-ABC poll, nearly all of Trumpís supporters say he was elected legitimately, 99 percent, also marking a turnabout in confidence from one week ago when only 69 percent said they were prepared to accept the results of the election.
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Edit: The anti-democratic attitudes of Trump supporters, and their lack of shame about it, really came through with the part that I put in bold!
So what if a Democrat received 75% of the vote someday?!
"Sorry! Our guy won the electoral college and it's totally legitimate! You lost fair and square!"
Such a-holes!

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #26)

Sun May 2, 2021, 08:52 PM

28. Or 2000 which was a steal. Nt

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Response to JanMichael (Reply #28)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:00 PM

29. Yeah, the hand recount wasn't even allowed to carry on!

It was finally done by a media consortium after Dumbya was already in the WH, and their results were ironic.

If the Bush team's proposals for hand recounts had been followed, Gore would've won Florida.

If the Gore team's more liberal counting proposals had been followed, Dumbya won Florida. It turned out that most of the "dimpled chads" and such came from Bush voters!

Regardless, I never observed any shame from Republican voters back then either! Victory is all that mattered to them!

Media consortium recount:
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/us/examining-vote-overview-study-disputed-florida-ballots-finds-justices-did-not.html

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #26)

Mon May 3, 2021, 03:56 AM

38. You are making the assumption that all Hillary supporters are Democrats.

Indies made up 31% of the voters in 2016 and Hillary got 42% of that vote.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

White male Hillary supporters were far more likely to accept Trump's win as legitimate.

Far larger percentages of minority and female Hillary supporters were less likely to view Trump's win as legitimate.

"There are sharp racial and gender differences in Clinton supportersí acceptance of the results. Only 18 percent of whites who supported Clinton say Trump is not the legitimate winner, identical to the public overall, but fully 51 percent of black, Hispanic and other nonwhite Clinton supporters say Trumpís victory was illegitimate. Women who supported Clinton are twice as likely as men to question the legitimacy of Trumpís victory, 42 vs. 21 percent."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/13/one-third-of-clinton-supporters-say-trump-election-is-not-legitimate-poll-finds/

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #38)

Mon May 3, 2021, 08:43 AM

43. It's indeed not a good comparison because...

... one poll asks about Hillary supporters in 2016 whereas the other asks about Republicans in 2020.

So my guess is that the percentage would be HIGHER than 70% among Trump supporters, which supports my implication that they have a stronger denial of reality. Which is something they demonstrate regularly in other ways too.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:44 PM

31. I think the country's going to be in trouble until Trump dies.

He's got such a tremendous hold on the Republicans and that won't go away as long as he's spouting his lies and demanding that they be loyal to only him.

The real question to me is why they are so hypnotized by him. Historians and psychologists will be studying this for decades.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:49 PM

33. Faux dispenses the Kool-Aid.



The mouth breathers drink it right up and come back for more.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 10:21 PM

34. Deplorables.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 11:09 PM

35. I 100% don't care

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:15 AM

36. It is a sign of the slow collapse of American democracy

It's a house that's been falling apart for decades. How many people believe Bush won the 2000 election? How many people though President Obama was a Muslim from Kenya? How many people think Trump won the 2016 election? Couple that with Citizen United and the spread of all sorts of right wing disinformation and you have the American democracy at its worst shape in generations. I mean people stormed the Capitol in January and the reaction to it from the right wasn't horror and a call for introspection but rather lament that they didn't go further.

It going to take decades to rebuild. I see people foolishly deluding themselves in thinking that Biden winning means that we avoided disaster and everything is good again. It is just putting a fresh coat of paint on a house that is falling down. It might mask it but it does nothing to address the rot underneath.

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Response to inwiththenew (Reply #36)

Mon May 3, 2021, 03:57 AM

39. How many thought JFK was a tool for the Papacy?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 08:50 AM

44. This is a big problem

ďAnyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.Ē Voltaire

We are going down a path where the GOP is garnering support to do away with American Democracy altogether. That's the only way they win, getting rid of free and fair elections.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 08:53 AM

45. And 100% of Republicans are gullible amoral idiots. Is that news?

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #45)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:21 AM

47. First, they came for the Republicans...

...and nobody said anything...

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Response to kentuck (Reply #47)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:24 AM

48. Unfortunately, nobody is coming for the Republicans. Even the insurrectionist leaders are safe.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 08:59 AM

46. Both Bush v Gore (FL) and Bish v Kerry (OH)

a lot of people questioned those results - imo for better reasons. Don't remember CNN going on about it in this same way though.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:06 AM

50. No they don't

This is media created and they want to keep this going. 90% of Republicans know the election was not stolen and, at worst, believe the pandemic allowed a bunch of people who wouldn't have gone and stood in line to vote through mail. That's what they are pissed about and why they are trying to change the rules now. CNN and MSNBC just want to keep anything related to "Trump" in the news.

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Response to ScratchCat (Reply #50)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:25 AM

53. Forbes quoted a Reuters poll from a month ago...

... which indicated that 60% of Republicans believed that Trump actually won the election.

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