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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLiz Cheney just tweeted: The 2020 presidential election was not stolen.
Link to tweet
Josh Jordan
@NumbersMuncher
This is 100% true and many people in power who know better are exploiting Republicans voters to boost *their* own power and influence - and it's causing real damage.
Liz Cheney
@Liz_Cheney
The 2020 presidential election was not stolen. Anyone who claims it was is spreading THE BIG LIE, turning their back on the rule of law, and poisoning our democratic system.
7:45 AM · May 3, 2021
multigraincracker
(32,722 posts)All of the cops are criminals and all the sinners saints.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)It's easy among people you imagine think exactly as you do to concretize every "other" into a two-dimensional object, but people are complex and astounding.
COL Mustard
(5,925 posts)She's at least honest about it. There's a lot about her to dislike, but ya gotta give her credit for saying this.
Iggo
(47,568 posts)raccoon
(31,125 posts)multigraincracker
(32,722 posts)SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)She is going to have a huge fight trying to save her seat next year.
Volaris
(10,274 posts)And they will make a point (and an example, if they can) of KEEPING her in that seat, and they will fire off as many big guns as they need to..they will WRECK any right-side trumpcult primary challenger. Remember, these are lifetime republican campaign operatives and they know what they're doing. They will bring the Sharp Knives, and will absolutely use them to fuck them some rats.
For what it's worth, I'm glad shes not a cultist. I AM pissed that the iteration of the republican party were forced to defend now, is Bush/Iraq2.
cilla4progress
(24,772 posts)the universe's ear....
Atheist prayer.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)take a number of Republicans with her.
Her views and those of McCarthy and the Trumpers are seriously incompatible. There is no way that the two factions can compromise. Cheney is making an "ideological" stand of sorts. She's saying that the truth of the election matters, with no equivocations.
Cheney really has no other choice, now that she made her position very clear by a public declaration. When Cheney makes her break and takes several GOPers with her, the GOP is doomed to chronic election losses on a national scale, and those losses will eventually "trickle down" to state legislatures and municipalities.
In a way, Trump hastened the demise of the GOP. He exposed the GOP as a fascist, white supremacy organization. Liz would rather muffle that noise and blanket the GOP's agenda with high-minded "principles." IOW, Cheney knows the value of euphemisms and PR. This drama is just beginning.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)on one hand. Im not sure there are more than that with her courage.
That said, while skeptical, I wish her success for the sake of the country and so once the breakaway party is a success I can go back to despising her.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,567 posts)Nevilledog
(51,200 posts)Link to tweet
Amanda Carpenter
@amandacarpenter
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May 3, 2021
If true, let's be 100 percent clear about what's happening. You have to be a liar to be in good standing with the leadership of the GOP.
It's that damn simple.
Scott Wong
@scottwongDC
Replying to @scottwongDC
Ally to @GOPLeader McCarthy sends a text just now: "There is no way that Liz will be conference chair by months end"
Echoes comments by Rep. @Lancegooden over the weekend https://thehill.com/homenews/house/551261-gop-frustration-with-liz-cheney-at-a-boiling-point
Amanda Carpenter
@amandacarpenter
The fact that people are going after Liz Cheney for having the AUDACITY to say what happened on January 6 happened, while these guys give shelter and cover to folks like Matt Gaetz is sick.
Don't do this.
8:07 AM · May 3, 2021
peggysue2
(10,839 posts)Talk about strange times!
The fact that I, a liberal Democrat, supports the current efforts of a former Neo-con and the daughter of Darth Vader is strange indeed. But there you go, two Republicans who are fighting within the Crazy Pants Party (though I think Kristol left the Republican Party) gain my salute.
Breathtaking.
Strange times make for strange bedfellows in the war against autocracy and fascism.
Hekate
(90,824 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,967 posts)... her "Conservative" views, but I admire her taking this stand. We need a two-party system... interesting how she uses the term "The Big Lie" to describe the Trumpsters big lie. Many in media use the term, now. I like it!
Bayard
(22,154 posts)Good to see a few can still think for themselves.
Vinca
(50,304 posts)over to vote in the primary should vote for her just to drive Dear Former Leader nuts. Of course, it will be no surprise if the GOP does away with primaries in the event the demented one runs again.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,567 posts)roamer65
(36,747 posts)Its called strategic and retributionary voting.
It works!
Schmice3
(294 posts)She's gambling on the fever breaking before 2024 and Fifth Column fatigue setting in. Cheney vs. Biden or Cheney vs Harris; Either way another crossroad.
cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)The 2000 and 2016 were!
nevergiveup
(4,764 posts)she is tough as nails and on this issue she is right. It would have been easier for her to jump into the clown car but she put her country first and for this I applaud her.
moose65
(3,168 posts)I'm no fan of Liz Cheney or her views on most (all?) issues, but on this one she is doing the right thing. Other Republicans need to do likewise.
BlueNProud
(1,048 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,567 posts)liberalla
(9,262 posts)I do appreciate the directness with no equivocation of her tweet.
ancianita
(36,137 posts)when she says "it's causing real damage" she's vague about the damage, even if she's not equivocating.
I can't imagine what Republican issues she'll run on, either, other than anti-Trumpism. Because the way I read the 74 million who voted? They're way past Republican conservative values -- so are the autocratic oligarchy of dark money donors -- and there seems to be no new constructive value platform for her to run on.
appmanga
(581 posts)...they're going to have to burn her at the stake.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)Then Darth Cheney comes out of the crypt and all is NOT well in the world.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,043 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,212 posts)Not a fan of hers but she's right in this case.
FakeNoose
(32,767 posts)I'll admit she wasn't on my radar before last year, so maybe she said something supportive to a smaller audience, I don't know. Since she's been on the national stage, I've never heard her say anything to support Chump. It means she has her own campaign financing lined up, because she won't get anything from the national Repukes.
Not that I care one way or the other, but I admire her courage.
ZZenith
(4,128 posts)She doesnt need any RNC dough.
Iggo
(47,568 posts)Anyone who doesnt see that Liz Cheney is running for president is not paying attention.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)She hasn't a snowball's chance in hell.
oasis
(49,409 posts)are going to keep growing. Our Democratic leadership is wise enough to play their cards right.
"Trumpism" and the Big Lie mentality will fizzle and die out by the end of 2022.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)there are some lines she just won't cross.
RussBLib
(9,036 posts)That is truly fucking pathetically sad.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)The Lincoln Project et al. jumped in to fight them. Republicans one and all. They didn't necessarily become Democrats to rise up against fascism. They simply temporarily shed their Republican skin and fought as Americans. I see Liz Cheney in the same light. Within her own ranks she sees the cancer growing and is wise to call it out, not as a Republican but as an American. That's what I find comforting in what she has just tweeted. But unlike the LP, though, she's in office, and they aren't. She will be battling the monster in situ. We may be watching the inculcation of a Republican counterattack within its own architecture, and that's something completely different. As Dems, it will be impossible for us to support her internal battle with the fascists, but we should. Not as Dems, but as Americans. That is the total scope of our support. This demon must be exorcised or we're toast, maybe not today, but someday.
mvd
(65,180 posts)Yes, it is a low bar, but that is what the GQP has become.