I'm having a terrifying experience, as my husband is on the phone fighting w our anti-vax daughter

[Hekate]

I refuse to talk with her about her obsession, but hubby has been patient. Tonight — Mother of God — I don’t know what the hell she started with but I think it was how we all got together on Sunday for a 2 y.o. niece’s b’day party and how she now thinks we must have spread disease to her kids because we have been vaccinated for COVID.

It was a fun day, actually — our first social outing in a year. About half the people there are vaccine-hesitant, but hubby and I had our second shot 6 weeks ago & it is such a great feeling. We hugged and everything.

So, tonight. This loud conversation 3 rooms away from me has been going on for at least an hour and my stomach is in knots. Did you know FDR was crippled by ... DDT?

It is completely down the rabbit hole.

I made myself a cup of tea, then realized I needed something a lot stronger, so poured myself a dollop of whiskey on ice.

Any good vibes appreciated. Really. Or prayers to whatever gods are listening. Thank you for listening, my DU friends.

[Demovictory9]

1. ..

[Beakybird]

2. Tell her that FDR was crippled as a child, way before the 40's when DDT was invented

Ask her why she won't believe US government epidemiologists, epidemiologists from private universities, nor epidemiologists from world health organizations and instead believes doctors and people with no experience in epidemiology.
So sorry!

[RockRaven]

13. Probably should not tell her anything untrue because she will use it to discredit everything said...

FDR was an adult when he got polio, and the subsequent disability. But yes, that was before the 1940s.

DDT was first synthesized in 1874. It's insecticidal properties were not discovered until 1939, so WWII was indeed its first widespread use, which does post-date FDR's disability. But with motivated reasoners, the 1874 date will be the one they focus on. Cognitive dissonance is a sonofabitch.

[BobTheSubgenius]

75. One could always ask why it is that we don't see a polio epidemic.

Or see polio at all.

[Backseat Driver]

86. Legend in our family was that DDT-sprayed potatos

from the back step landing kept family members from getting the diptheria my dad contracted in childhood before age 6(?) because he didn't eat any! (separate vaccine available 1926 - as DPT in 1948)

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

35. FDR was 39 years old in 1921 when he contracted Polio, definitely NOT a child. He recovered from

most of the symptoms of the disease but he was permanently paraplegic but you are correct that his disability was not due to DDT.

[GoCubsGo]

60. Actually, FDR got polio as an adult.

He was 39 at the time, which was in 1921. But, yeah. DDT wasn't around at the time. It's so disheartening that people believe this shit.

[mgardener]

110. Actually

FDR contracted polio when he was an adult in 1921.
He was 39.

[LizBeth]

3. That would be so hard. I am sorry. I get an headache immediately then comes stomach pain.

[denbot]

4. Hugs Hekate

[Irish_Dem]

5. What disease does she think you spread to her children?

I didn't realize that anti-vaxers thought those vaccinated could spread disease.

The opposite is true however, those who are not vaccinated spread disease.

I am so sorry you are going through this. Damn the GOP for spreading their political crap during a pandemic.

Take some deep breaths. Let hubby deal with her for the time being.
Her insanity is too upsetting to your mental health

[Grasswire2]

18. yes, they believe that vaccinated folk are "shedding" the virus.

Obviously not so.

I have one in my family, too.

[SunSeeker]

24. Where do they hear that crap from?

[lagomorph777]

94. FECEbook

[NoMoreRepugs]

131. Ahhhhh, FaceBook, the source of all knowledge. At least for

some of the BatShitCrazedLoons out there.

[IronLionZion]

113. People spread complete lies on social media

there was also one about how women shouldn't get the vaccine because they'll bleed to death and the vaccine alters your DNA and gives you COVID and so much more. One of the dumbest ones is that vaccines weaken your natural immune system.

People are the worst. They'll see something shocking and share it so others will see it and share.

[Irish_Dem]

27. Opposite of scientific research.

People who are not vaccinated are the ones who catch diseases and then spread them to others.

[Liberty Belle]

29. Then they should get vaccinated to be protected, period.

Guess what? If someone who is vaccinated gets COVID, they would've gotten in anyway if they weren't vaccinated, only they'd have been sicker and maybe died.

As more and more get vaccinated, the only protection is to get the vaccine since the vaccinated will be able to take off masks, etc.

[Marrah_Goodman]

50. Yup, had someone close to me say this shit to me this week

He told me his doctor told him he couldn't be around people who were vaccinated until 3 weeks after the shots. I know this was just him covering for his wife who believes all the anti-vaxx conspiracy theories. As soon as he said "shedding", I knew.

[wnylib]

56. I'd call him on the "my doctor told me" BS.

[GoCubsGo]

61. That one drives me nuts.

The mRNA vaccines don't even contain the virus, alive or dead. You can't "shed" what's not there. I hope President Biden plans on doing something about science education in this country, because it's abominable as it stands.

[Klaralven]

91. I think one theory is that vaccinated people can become infected, don't become sick, but spread it.

This is based on the vaccine trials, which only validated that the vaccine prevented illness, and they did not validate that vaccinated people could not be infected.

However, experience with the larger numbers post trial indicates that the vaccinated population does not spread Cov-SARS-2 virus, e.g. the Israeli experience.

I also have a relative waiting for me to die in the predicted 3 to 6 month period after vaccination. Pretty much batshit crazy, but what are you going to do?

[GoCubsGo]

101. I think they just have no understanding of how the new-technology vaccines work.

They think we're still dealing with live virus vaccines, much like the original polio vaccine, MMR, chicken pox, etc. They don't get that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines don't even involve a virus, but use a protein, instead. But, most likely, they're confusing J&J's "viral vector" technology with the old live/attenuated virus technologies. I think that's where the false "They change your DNA" conspiracies came from, as well.


I hope you are planning to call your relative in 6 months to remind him/her that you're still here.

[Nevilledog]

80. Only possible good from this is they start wearing masks to protect themselves from the "vaccine"

[luckone]

105. +1 yes Silver lining ..whatever it takes

[The Wielding Truth]

114. Hahaha... an ironic twist that could do some good.

[Beartracks]

133. Wait -- If the virus isn't worth getting vaccinated for in the first place, then...

... why would they worry if vaccinated people supposedly "shed virus"?

Dumb.

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[DENVERPOPS]

25. How could you spread it

if it is like Trump says, A HOAX.....? And how could you spread it if kids can't get it....also Trump......

Everyone needs to learn. It is no use to argue with them, or get baited into a war of words...........

First, I got rid of all my Republican friends and aquaintences....That alone helped a lot.

Now, when someone tries to engage me, I simply say: "Don't talk to me, I think all the politicians are corrupt".
They stop for a second, think, and then somewhat agree with me and that ends the conversation.....Works great....

[bottomofthehill]

6. All you can do is try

It is hardest when it is family! Good luck, prayers, best wishes and hope that she can see the light that the vaccine protects both you and others.

[Solly Mack]

7. I hope for you and your husband strength and patience.

I am sorry this is happening. I can only imagine your fear and I hope you find peace.

[cilla4progress]

8. This is awful, Hekate!!

I'm so sorry you have to go through this!!

[radical noodle]

9. The same scenario is playing out

in homes all across the country. I really don't think it does much good to argue with them but hopefully, your daughter will come around.

[Hekate]

119. I know we are not alone, which is why I dared to post this here. I appreciate the support...

It was bad last night, but I’ve packed it away again today.

[elleng]

10. Sending vibes and hugs,

very sorry.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

[sprinkleeninow]

11. ...

🙏💛

[Downtown Hound]

12. FDR was crippled by Polio, a disease that was eradicated by...

VACCINES! Also, he was 39 when he was paralyzed, in the year 1921, and DDT was invented in the 40's.

Sorry your daughter has been brainwashed. Anti-vaxxers are a special breed of resistance to logic.

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

19. No, FDR was NOT a child when he contracted Polio, He was 39 YEARS old, (1921), a practising atty in

NY & the symptoms appeared when they were at their summer home. He had the classic acute symptoms of fever, Symmetric ascending paralysis, facial paralysis, numbness & hyperesthesia, loss of bowel and bladder function and control, etc

He was heading in the early middle age when he was infected & although he recovered, (somewhat) from most of the neurological issues, he was permanently paralysed from the waist down.

[Downtown Hound]

20. I already corrected it.

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

36. Sorry. Didn't see it.

[Cha]

23. TY for that info.. &

The Polio Vaccine was invented in 1955

[TomDaisy]

14. get on the phone, tell her she's a brat and tell her to shut up

[NoRethugFriends]

43. I'll second that! (nt)

[LakeArenal]

64. Tell her to quit disrespecting her father.

My dad was a racist Republican.

I loved him and he loved me.

I argued politics with him once where he hung up on me.

I hated myself all night. Next day I apologized. You really can’t change it.
Time is short. My dad was old. It was soon enough that he was gone for good.

My only sibling is cut out for non political reasons. I miss him too and am not sure why he quit speaking to me.

Life is too short to carry all that.

Yes tel her she’s a brat and to go argue with her physician.

[womanofthehills]

124. Parents who talk to their kids in that way often lose access to their grandkids

It always makes sense to be nice to your child and their spouse if you want access to your grandkids.

[canetoad]

15. Can't begin to imagine

What you are going through with an anti-vax daughter.

Glad you're vaccinated yourself. Hang in there old friend.

[Hekate]

42. Am hanging in there. You too.

[AKwannabe]

16. ...

[Cha]

17. Sanity Vibes coming your

Way, Hekate!

Gracefully getting out of the Twilight Zone, too.

💙

[ZonkerHarris]

21. There should be some changes made to your will. Trusts for grandkids that certain adults cant touch.

[jimfields33]

47. Seriously? Over a shot? I know its important for sure

But I thought a mother’s love was unbreakable.

In 20 years, this could be a distant memory but you still would keep one of the kids from the will?

[lostnfound]

51. Kindest thing she can do for the daughter

Is protect the daughter’s kids from their mother’s temporary insanity.

If her daughter will fall for the nonsense she fell for, she probably is t capable of making rational decisions about how to spend an inheritance. May spend the grandkids’ college funds on snake oil.

Imagine if the daughter was in a cult with suicidal tendencies.

[jimfields33]

52. I guess that's true.

I’d have to know if she’s anti vaccine on all fronts or just Covid. And will she be more comfortable when it’s fully approved? Need more info before I’d take her out of the will.

[lostnfound]

115. Post didn't say "take her out of will", only to have separate trusts for grandkids

Nothing wrong to leave something for the daughter but something separate for the grandkids.
If she’s so gullible to believe these crazy conspiracies, she may be susceptible to a lot of other con jobs.

A fool and their money are soon parted.

I wouldn’t take her out of it entirely either. Might consider setting it up as a trust and not give control until she’s much older. Bu definitely leave part of it specifically to the grandkids.

[SunSeeker]

22. How did she become an anti-vaxxer with such rational parents?

I fear the internet idiocy will get to my 17 year old. I can't protect him from everything. But I did get him his Pfizer shots!

[Tree Lady]

103. Sometimes kids want to be opposite

My daughter got her vaccines but she is republican and voted for Trump, manager making good money for first time in her life wants tax breaks.

She spends no time learning the truth that she would have to make a lot more before it would matter. She has been surrounded for the last 20 yrs by republicans at work and after breaking up with her husband 7 yrs ago and getting right leaning boyfriend slowly they got to her.

She only changed parties about 4 years ago. We had a few arguments but I decided I love her and want to stay close to her so we don't talk politics or about her boyfriend I can't stand. Not just because he is republican but keeps quitting or getting fired and she financially takes care of him. Always an excuse. But even that would be ok if he didn't say abusive type things when angry. My daughter just says he doesn't mean it, why do people put up with that?

[Hekate]

118. Short version: if you lose a baby to SIDS, there is a whole movement to tell you it was vaccines....

She was already becoming concerned about the alleged autism:MMR vaccine connection, but the grief and guilt over losing her little girl 11 years ago threw down this rabbit hole.

Facebook is where they hang out. I would like to see Facebook regulated out of business, but that’s just me.

[MerryBlooms]

26. Sending good wishes. I know a similar situation, and the 'obsessive' person is bi polar.

Spring is tremendously difficult for bi polar, even though they're taking their meds. The family is at their end after dealing with this sort of thing for 30 years, but the anti vax conspiracy crap is the end. Done. It's 24/7 loop of conspiracy, everyone is gonna die who gets the vax, women are gonna be sterile, etc... Tell him to stop, he can't, he can't stop. The family is looking into transitional housing for this person. They love him, but the guy needs way more help then they can provide, plus, he's making their lives miserable; the neighbors on the block are complaining. A lot of these conspiracy theory anti vax people Are mentally ill and need help. Same with the Election Was Stolen, people. They may be taking their meds, but this time of year they need adjustments.

[KatK]

28. Sending blessings and good thoughts. I know of very similar situation. It's hard!

[Buckeye_Democrat]

30. I'm so sorry!

Coincidentally, I posted a YouTube video earlier and then I decided to look at the YT comments about it.

That's where I saw some people arguing that the vaccines were CAUSING people to get Covid!

That was a new crazy conspiracy idea for me!

[SergeStorms]

31. I'd hit that bottle one more time.

It does absolutely no good to argue with these people. They've all painted themselves into a corner on this, and even if there was some concrete argument that disproved everything they previously thought, they'd never admit it.
I suggest meditation, maybe yoga if you're able, but worry is counterproductive and only weakens your immunity to disease.
You've done all you can do, and she's going to believe whatever fits within the narrow framework of her worldview. You can't save them all, even your children. Get a good night's sleep.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

37. That's been my observation too.

I don't know if it's because they don't have enough education in science or what, such as lab experiments that force participants to modify a hypothesis, but they seem hellbent on maintaining their original ideas.

The only real changes for them are new ways to deny reality.

Or perhaps it's mostly their focus on power rather than truth-seeking?

[JohnnyRingo]

32. I'm so sorry.

I can't help thinking that none of this would have happened if Donald Trump had stuck to his New York grift and didn't infect half the country.

[John Fante]

39. He is absolutely to blame for this.

He started the COVID denying and the reich-wing media ecosystem aped him. Online trolls did the rest.

[C Moon]

33. Thanks for sharing this. I think we've all been through something similar with friends /family

since this whole Trump attempt at overthrowing out country began.
It's so difficult to see people we know can be so naive.

I guess we know now how it happened in Nazi Germany.

[Hekate]

34. Thank you all so much for the support. It lasted an hour & 38 minutes. Gah. I feel better...

Just thanks.

[pnwmom]

38. I'm so sorry, Hekate. Does this mean her kids have Covid

or is she just a super worrier?

If they have it, tell her that she should inform the health department so they can do contact tracing. Public health will figure out which of her antivax friends are spreading the infection.

[Hekate]

41. No, and I don't think they are sick. One child already had a rash & it got worse. Another child...

...was feeling torpid on the way home, but surprise, it was a birthday party and he pigged out. Something else made my husband say the party was outdoors in a backyard full of flowering fruit trees.

She read this shit someplace, probably FB. As soon as I read about that nutball private school in Florida, I had a hunch I would hear these alternative facts closer to home. She is deep into Facebook. She “personally knows women whose menstrual cycles have been disrupted” by contact with people who have been vaccinated.

She is a super worrier at this point. Hubby told her she needed to unplug her computer and walk away.

I heard my husband say “correlation is not causation” at one point. Several times. Apparently she wanted to know if he got that from Pharma, because he said no, it was part of a statistics and applied probability class he took 50 years ago.

I hope you and yours are excellent.

[pnwmom]

48. All of us adults and our significant others have gotten their vaccines.

One of my sons was hesitant, but we had some respectful conversations and eventually he decided to get the J & J, since it was more conventional and one dose. Fine.

It's too early for the grandkids of course. But I'm looking forward to a family get-together this summer, complete with actual hugs.

I'm still on FB but selective about who I friend. I'm afraid that after you left it was too hard for me to read your daughter's posts, so I unfriended her. I can imagine how hard it must be for you.

Good for your husband for fighting the good fight.

[Hekate]

120. She unfriended me 3+ years ago, & I kind of soured on FB as a platform...

There is so much that is attractive about it, but in addition to being a time-suck, I felt terrible every time I went on. Both my husband and my SIL said I could simply enter thru their portals if I wanted to keep up with the grandkids, but that made me feel like the Little Match Girl in Hans Christian Andersen’s book so I refused.

[womanofthehills]

126. If you want to be in your grandkids life, arguing with their mom is never a good idea

I avoid ever criticizing or arguing with my daughter. If I get pissed with her, I don’t contact her till I am over it. I know too many women who lost access to their grandkids because of fighting with their kids. A friend says she cries every day because she misses her grandkids so much.

[Hekate]

135. I agree completely. I refuse to fight with her, but she has become obsessive about this issue...

I have a real relationship with the oldest boy, who is now 16. But I have to accept I probably won’t with the other two boys (ages 10 and 3), simply through lack of opportunity, as we live 1 1/2 hours away by freeway.

[pnwmom]

127. Is she preventing you from interacting with your grandchildren? I am so sorry! n/t

[Hekate]

136. Not as such, or at least not any more since we moved away...

It’s complicated, and would take pages and a box of kleenex to explain. I’m just not the person I thought I would be at this age, 45 or 50 years ago when I was longing to start a family.

It actually has become easier to live with since we moved about 1 1/2 hours down the freeway, because I gradually gave up most of my unrealistic expectations (that is, unrealistic given the personalities involved), and at the same time got my dream home due to the real estate price difference between the two locations. It was a fortunate move in every respect.

I felt “terror” listening to my husband’s side of the conversation — because I was on the other side of anger, on the other side of defensiveness, and I just felt so sad for her. I felt sad because she has been sucked into the vortex of lies and fear that plagues our nation.

[pnwmom]

140. I can only imagine.

It was hard enough for me talking to one of my sons, who was skeptical about his need for a vaccine, but he took a J & J for our sake.

I'm glad you and your husband are on the same page, and you're living in a place that makes you happy.

[mgardener]

111. How's your husband?

Cannot have been pleasant for him either!

[Hekate]

121. He takes it less hard than I do, altho he needed to decompress after he hung up the phone

[smirkymonkey]

40. I'm so sorry for you and your husband, Hekate.

I can't imagine how stressful this must be for you. I don't know if your daughter will ever change her mind, but at least you can know that you have done your best and detatch with love. Sending you and your family healing vibes.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

44. We need an national detox. too many suffer along with you.

It's insanity.

[herding cats]

45. I'm late to support you, but I have an adult daughter, too.

I applaud your husband for taking point. In my house it's always me with her when things need tending. Your husband is a gem and a keeper.

Ours is an only child, and a bit of a diva in her own way. All our doing, she's deeply loved and knows it. I completely can understand the angst and pain this caused. I'm so sorry you had to deal with this. I've dealt with some lunacy from mine before and I know it's stressful and difficult on a whole new level.

My heart, love and support to you! ❤️

[MFM008]

46. i know

i have to steer lightly in conversations with my sister about politics......

[TreasonousBastard]

49. We laugh around here when it's strangers in Walmart, but it's shocking and tragic when it's in...

your own family.

I have no easy answers, but do hope something brings her around.

[LisaL]

53. What exactly are we (vaccinated people) supposed to be shedding?

Neither of the vaccines approved in the US have an actual virus in them.
It's just amazing what anti-vaxxers would come up with.

[DFW]

55. It's stupefying how reasonable parents can have unreasonable children

But it can and obviously does happen. At this point, it sounds like you would do well to set up trusts for the grandchildren. Leave your daughter what you want, but realize that it will be partially be budgeted for tin foil.

If either of our daughters or either of our nephews ever became like that, we would be tearing our own hair out in frustration.

[panader0]

57. I just heard about "shedding" of proteins yesterday. It's BS. Show this article to your daughter.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/92336

[obamanut2012]

63. There is no point -- she won;t believe any of it

She will say The Cabal or the Galactics are spreading misinformation.

My GF's mother has believed this garbage for years, it predates Trump and Q, and it's part literal Nazi Blood Libel stuff and partly that cult where that woman's mummy was just found in NM.

They need deprogramming, and medical facts won;t help do that.

My GF has been no contact with her mother for almost a year now, and it's the happiest she's been in her entire life.

[Atticus]

58. "All you can do" is all you can do. Hang on. nt

[mainer]

59. I so feel for you. We have one of those in our family too.

Everyone else is vaccinated, but he remains hesitant because "the FDA hasn't approved it yet." Also, because he's under 40, he thinks he's better off without the vaccine. It doesn't matter that he could infect others, he's just thinking about the risk/reward ratio. He believes in vaccines overall, but this one has him spooked, and it's all because of the crazies out there spewing their message again and again.

[MineralMan]

62. I'm so sorry to read that.

There seems to be another epidemic going on out there - an epidemic of non-rational thinking. In many ways, it's even more frightening than the COVID-19 pandemic.

No amount of explanation can change people's minds who are infected with irrationalitis. They simply refuse to even consider that they might be wrong.

[Raftergirl]

65. As a fully vaccinated person

I still would not go to a party, even outdoors, where people are not vaccinated regardless if it’s family or good friends.

Fortunately for me all my friends are vaccinated and all my family is, except for 7 yr old great nephew.

I would tell an unvaccinated family member that until they are vaccinated I won’t be seeing them.

I do not understand why people are letting their unvaccinated relatives get away with no consequences.

[sheshe2]

66. Hang in there my friend.

Love and hugs coming your way, Hekate 🤗

[malaise]

67. I have one nephew who doesn't want to be vaccinated

His parents told he can do as he likes but he isn't welcome at their home. He can decide.

[niyad]

68. Sending vibes for protection and peace for you and your husband.

[ananda]

69. The lax and anti-vaxxers are very worrisome.

Yesterday, I asked my financial adviser and his assistant
if they'd been vaxxed, and they said they hadn't and that
they had both contracted Covid last year, one with a mild
case and one with no symptoms.

So they are lax about getting vaxxed but he wants to travel
later in the year so I told him he would probably need a
vax card.

We didn't fight or anything but I told them that having survived
Covid doesn't mean you are safe and you still need to get the
vaccination.

We're all good friends so it was a friendly experience, but I still
hope I got through to them.

[bdamomma]

70. I want to give you this Hekate

Just realize you and your husband are safe, and believe in science and Fauci.

[Maraya1969]

71. I would give her information about Polio and Smallpox and the devastation it caused

and how it would still be causing devastation if people acted like she is now and refused the vaccine. The only way these w horrible diseases were eradicated was through mass inoculations.

[mgardener]

112. Hey!

I'm old enough to remember people who were affected by polio.
Had mumps, measles and chicken pox.

[Hekate]

122. Doing that is what got me unfriended from her FB group. I was naive...

I have a very well-thought-out rant about the history of plagues, epidemics, the invention of vaccinations, and so on. With illustrations. Many years ago I used to deploy it here from time to time, because DU used to have a coterie of anti-vaxxers and I did not want their ignorance to go unchallenged.

It never occurred to me that it would happen in my family. But she is a grown woman over 40 and makes her own decisions and there is zero, zip, nada I can do about it.

[Maraya1969]

132. Yea, you probably made a very good point and someone became very uncomfortable.

That's why they unfriended you. People like their personal delusions sometimes I believe.

[womanofthehills]

125. Sad to say, there are still cases of polio in Afghanistan and Pakistan

I think there were 23 cases last week. Not totally eradicated.

[Hekate]

137. There are remote places in Pakistan and Africa where public health teams have been murdered...

...because people “know” vaccinations = a Western plot to give their children AIDS or sterilize them.

And now look where we in the US are on this tragic spectrum.

[Hekate]

138. Duplicate, sorry

[ancianita]

72. If she reads,

one good thing to do is send her The Code Breaker, which will give her insight and heart, and help her think about the virus reality we face.

A hot toddy is always the smart thing to do, friend.

[duhneece]

73. I'm so sorry my beautiful friend

My daughter’s father can’t stop himself from his anti-vaccination crap no matter what the conversation is. I wish I had words to help

[Snackshack]

74. Sending my best...

Vibes your way (even though it is next day now). Hopefully there was no permanent damage done that had not already been done. I have heard the FDR / DDT thing before.

I manage a lab a work and I usually remain quiet while people working in the lab talk about issues but I couldn’t contain my laughter at this and the person that said it I think got offended. They asked what was so funny. I told them that FDR got sick in the early 20’s. Aug of 1921 while vacationing at his home (I like reading about history) the disease that paralyzed him was Polio. DDT was not made until the 1940’s. So I let them do the math.

I don’t know why or how people can just discount facts / reality to conform to whatever belief they feel strongly about but it is very apparent there are a lot who can and unfortunately the discounting of facts around COVID has cost many lives.

I wish you the best in dealing with this. If it was a neighbor that would be one thing but since it’s family that makes it extra double tough. 🙂

[sobenji]

76. Your daughter might be in the Qanon cult

This messaging about shedding is all over their messed up world.

[KS Toronado]

77. Remember when dealing with stressful encounters like this....

It's best to ask questions instead of making statements. Questions make the other party THINK.
Hope everything works out.

[Tommymac]

78. Unfortunately Anti-Vaxxers are not aligned with Rethugs, they exist in all parties and walks of life

Thank Oprah and movie stars who jumped on the "vaccines cause Autism" bandwagon 20 years ago - something that has been debunked ad nauseum since then.

Many Democrats (See Rep Joe Kennedy as an example) and 'New Wave' naturalists (an outgrowth of the 1960's Naturalism/Anti-Science movement) unfortunately still believe Medical Science is just a profit driven bogus discipline, and we all need to just drink bark tea and sprinkle fairy dust on our wounds.

Anti-maskers are different - they are the politically motivated ones.

[BobTheSubgenius]

79. This is very disheartening to hear. Fringe non-science tearing people apart.

Tearing FAMILIES apart. I really wish there was some argument-ender but people will believe the nonsense they believe, and the more pushback you give, the deeper they dig in.

Last night, I watched a short livestream embedded in a larger video. The livestreamer was making his case that these basalt...columns? Are they columns when they're lying on the ground? In any event, his contention was that they were the bones of giants.

Also included was a very short clip with two idiots at Mount Rushmore presenting "evidence" that the gigantic carvings are actually made from cardboard and papier-mâché. After that, anti-vaxxing doesn't seem quite as odd.

I really hope your daughter comes around, and accepts the reality of the situation. At the very least, that you can all come to an arrangement, tacit or specified, where this topic is just not part of your family's lexicon. You all need the peace, and no one needs the elevated BP.

Loving, tranquil thoughts.

[Nevilledog]

81. ...

[jcgoldie]

82. I recommend...

More dollops of whiskey.

[Hortensis]

83. Glad the party was very nice, Hekate. As for this, it will pass.

Hard as it is for you now, your daughter's also going through a very hard time. She won't always be like this.

Hang tough.

[hay rick]

84. You have my deepest sympathy.

This scene is being repeated in families all across America. Trump, his followers, his enablers, Fox News, and the rest of the sedition media, have unleashed a tidal wave of misery.

[Heartstrings]

85. Had a short conversation with an anti-vaxxer who came to our rummage sale last wknd...

She was with her daughter and infant granddaughter and was wearing a mask.

She stated “I won’t get the vaccine, do you know what’s in it?”

I said, “I do, and the cigarette smoke you’re willingly inhaling and exposing your daughter and granddaughter to is more dangerous than a vaccine for a world wide pandemic and that’s a proven fact”.

She didn’t buy anything.....

So hard to disassociate with our children no matter what, it’s a bond like no other. My advice is to breathe deeply and take things a day at a time.....

[AllaN01Bear]

87. gah, ive given up on these people. full stop.

[seta1950]

88. I'm sorry

That must be very painful, but hang in there

[marble falls]

89. You done your best. You both have kept it coming from a place of love. There comes ...

... the point where we have to admit that if a situation is toxic, we have to back away from it in a spirit of love and protection: disengage and leave the door open.

You've done that. We can change no one, while at the same time anyone can change.

Do not beat on yourself.

[MOMFUDSKI]

90. There have been a few times that

I have told my kids to just not call me unless you have some good news. That I had enough of the bullshit for now. Oddly enough, there would be a short pause but thru all the years I have had a pretty good relationship with both my son and my daughter. They are ages 51 and 54 now. Sometimes you just have to take a stand and let them think it over for awhile. No guarantees but it has worked out for me. Best wishes. I certainly know how upset you are. Been there.

[TheFarseer]

92. Then why

If people who get vaccinated she’d the virus, don’t shit loads of people get Measles and Mumps from toddlers? These idiotic ideas are so easily disproved but once they get something in their head, no amount of logic will convince them they are misinformed.

[Dreampuff]

93. You have my sympathy and prayers and thank you for welcoming both into your thread

Evidently your husband has the patience of Job because I have had it with the propagandists. As an example, he was on the phone with one of his siblings several weeks ago and he had it on speaker phone. She was going to spend part of her following week going out and taking money out of their accounts in the bank because if President Biden decides anyone has too much money in the bank, he will take it out to give it to the black people. After a few crazy comments, that was just the end gate for me so I yelled to him that it was time to eat. Of course, it wasn't, but I wanted to give him an escape. I don't like to argue so I have become very guarded and just keep my distance.

Sorry for what you are going through.

[chia]

95. I'm so sorry. :( Sending you a big hug, from someone in a similar situation, just haven't reached

your escalation yet. It'll break my heart if it gets there... I have so much empathy for you

[TrogL]

96. If your husband is attempting rationality, it won't work

I’ve dealt with people like this before. I was raised by them.

They are ruled by their feelings, primarily fear. They like being afraid. They collect reasons to be afraid. In my day and age it was race and sex. I’d have to listen to hour long rants about the Jews, Italians, Blacks, bisexuals. Then we’d watch TV and laugh with pleasure at Benny Hill and Richard Pryor.

Now it’s vaccines and immigration.

[dlk]

97. It's heartbreaking when someone you care about chooses fear over science

I have a friend who has decided, for religious reasons, to forego the vaccine. Unfortunately, here's just no reasoning with some people and I feel for you and your husband. It's especially hard when it's a family member.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

102. Same for my sister's long-time evangelical friend, BUT...

... she finally got her first dose last week.

What did it take? Both her 37-year old daughter and her son-in-law ending up inside an ICU from Covid infections, that's what!

The most recent update is that the prognosis for BOTH of them is very bad, and she should be mentally prepared for them to die. The woman's daughter is connected to an ECMO machine to basically breathe for her (pumping her blood through the device to oxygenate it while removing the CO2) since a ventilator wasn't helping her.

So now she's an elderly woman taking care of her three young grandchildren. They also recently tested positive, and only then did she hurriedly get an injection. Then they've all been quarantined in her home. Maybe the shot actually helped her because she still feels healthy after about a week of exposure to the grandkids.

Anyway, I suspect that many vaccine-hesitant haven't experienced the effects of infection themselves!

[dlk]

128. Nothing like a good dose of reality to wake people up

Hope everyone will be ok.

[lunatica]

98. I hope you're feeling better today

[SWBTATTReg]

99. My best thoughts and prayers to the Gods that be, to help you in dealing w/ this ...

ridiculous situation bought about by your daughter's ignorance of the facts despite overwhelming medical opinion(s) that state the clear cut benefits of the multiple vaccine(s) out there.

I just hope that worse doesn't happen (and you are already aware of this) and that family members don't get sick / or worse with this deadly disease, by refusing to take the most simplest of steps to prevent (take the damn vaccine).

Perhaps ask her if these vaccine(s) are so deadly, then why hasn't the tens and tens of millions of people who have already received the COVID 19 shots NOT get sick?

I suspect more and more people are going to go through such heart-wrenching conversations now that the epidemic is slowly (very slowly) dying out (but it will still persist due to these numerous idiots out there, who'll unfortunately pay the price).

My best to you.

[Javaman]

100. check out this. it might help...

it's on reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/

[SheltieLover]

104. Healing vibes on the way! 💗💗💗

[lillypaddle]

106. Not much worse than fighting with relatives

particularly close, immediate family, such as your kids, parents, etc. Have another shot, and get some rest. Sometimes there is just nothing you can do to make it better -- at least right now in the heat of battle. Likely it will heal with a little time.

[alotus51]

107. Don't bother

As someone said trying to reason with an anti-vaxer is like giving medicine to the dead. Ain't going to help

[luckone]

108. So sad but he put in the effort good for him some won't come around the first time keep trying

So insane now that some people will social distance if you have gotten the shot, but
not for Covid
I wouldn’t be happy she is telling her kids thier grandparents are diseased and infected them when it’s not true
Quite frankly she should be glad you aren’t pissed off by her accusations and are still talking to her and trying to reason with her

[XanaDUer2]

109. I'm so sorry

[NH Ethylene]

116. My sympathies. I have a similar situation.

And there is just no point in arguing with them. You can come up with the most compelling factual information, but have it met with claims that it is 'fake news,' and the infuriating, "That's what they want you to think."

[CaptainTruth]

117. Sending good vibes, it will be ok!

[crickets]

123. I am so sorry to hear you and your husband are going through this.

Our family is having the same issue with my grown nephew. He's well educated, a wonderful person overall, and out of nowhere he's decided mask wearing is a violation of his rights and he doesn't want to get vaccinated. It's frustrating.

I hope things will improve soon.

[sarcasmo]

129. Two fingers of whiskey. A dollop of cool whip :) .

[Beachnutt]

130. Send her this (link)

[PatrickforB]

134. I'm sorry about this. It is always difficult when a family member

turns on you in this way. I think many of us have experienced it, and it can be for any of a number of reasons.

I do feel your pain, because this type of thing has happened to me and my wife as well.

As painful as it is, we try to remain loving, and try to remain the proverbial 'adults in the room.' We remember she is our daughter, and we always love her, though we don't like the behavior, or the pain it causes us.

My hope for you is that she 'wakes up.' I'll swear, some of these Q-type conspiracy theories are just absolutely ridiculous. I cannot see how anyone could believe them, yet they do. Like the FDR thing - I had not heard that one.

[Kaleva]

139. It takes two to argue. Set boundries.

Nobody forced your husband to spend an hour or more arguing with your daughter on the phone.

If she insists on talking like that, be nice and polite but crank up the crazy to 11. Talk about chem trails, fluoride and other related stuff.