The States that made up the Confederacy:

[billh58]

Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi, South Carolina, Florida, Virginia, Arkansas, North Carolina, Tennessee, Missouri, and Kentucky.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_states_by_date_of_admission_to_the_Confederacy

Notice any geographical similarities to MAGA, QAnon, and Trump worshipers? Notice any ties to current states that are attempting to disenfranchise voters of color and non-European ethnicity?

The flying of the Confederate flag on January 6, 2021 in our nation's capitol was not a coincidence -- it was by design.

The armed Confederate "militias" who so proudly wear their red MAGA hats are itching for another Civil War, and a return to a racist, misogynistic, bigoted way of life for America.

We can't let them win.

[Aristus]

1. Missouri and Kentucky were slave states, but they stayed with the Union during the Civil War.

They were not Confederate States.

[billh58]

2. It may be in error

but the Wikipedia article states:

The date of admission listed for Virginia, Arkansas, North Carolina, Tennessee, Missouri, and Kentucky was the official date set by an act of the Provisional Congress of the Confederate States.[1]

[billh58]

5. I found the following on

another web site:

Kentucky and Missouri never officially seceded from the Union. However, they were recognized by the Confederacy and were represented by two stars on the Confederate flag.

https://www.reference.com/history/were-13-confederate-states-3338fc8e44fc96f9

So you are correct, however their sympathies were certainly with the Confederacy.

[MuseRider]

9. Ask anyone from Kansas

where Missouri fell. They may not have seceded but they were damned upset that we did not want to be a slave state.

[TygrBright]

13. "Bleeding Kansas" is all but forgotten. And it shouldn't be.

We may see a modern version if we are not careful.

minatorially,
Bright

[MuseRider]

15. I am not certain

Kansas would be that good again. It pretty much sucks here right now. We are looking at Alabama as a great place to be like. It sucks so much and is getting really scary for me anyway. I am always stunned at how someplace that is essentially good (not that many would ever think of Kansas as being that) can go totally bad so quickly.

[paleotn]

8. By the skin of their teeth.

KY and MO sent troops to both sides, depending on what part of those states we're talking about. In southern IL, there were a lot of Confederate sympathizers. Northern IL, not so much. MD was split mainly east and west. Lincoln had to sneak through Baltimore incognito thanks to the Pinkertons.

[Gore1FL]

12. They had state governments in exile, but neither seceded as you stated.

Missouri had federal forces with St. Louis (I assume Jefferson Barracks) and was essentially already occupied at the start of the war.

I suspect if the Confederacy managed to take Louisville or St. Louis, the states would have followed the other 11.

[paleotn]

3. They also make up the least vaccinated to date.

[Duppers]

18. Not Virginia which is now a Blue State! 😁

It's now #14 in overall % of vaccinated.

14. Virginia
Doses distributed to state: 8,536,635
Doses administered: 7,043,683
Percentage of distributed vaccines that have been administered: 82.51

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html


Edited to update status.

[paleotn]

20. VA is an exception.

[Duppers]

21. Yep, yep, we are!

TG. 😉 😁

[Hoyt]

4. Agree completely about the rube states listed, but a bunch more have been added -- TX, MT, ND, SD,

WY, big portions of states like Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, etc. Probably at least 35 to 40% of almost every state is red/rube.

But we definitely can't let them win.

[blueinredohio]

7. I was going to add Ohio has plenty.

[scarytomcat]

33. We are a purple country

We couldn't split if everyone wanted to.
Democracy must prevail

[Deuxcents]

10. This is distressing

I just cannot let my imagination go nutz.. my family has been in Florida over 100 years but I’ve never felt so anxious about the future .. our politics, our environment, our future until now. We’re not in a good place.

[liberal_mama]

11. Wow, I always thought Kentucky wasn't part of the Confederacy

[Fiendish Thingy]

14. Lots of non-Confederate states are working to resurrect Jim Crow 2.0

Including AZ, MT, ID and OH.

Not sure what your point is- ignorance, hatred and evil do not recognize Civil War boundaries.

[billh58]

16. Your point is well taken

but the former Confederate states are herding the rest of the country to the Trump/MAGA fountain of filth. They find willing acolytes all over the country, but the racist roots (statues, place names, traditions, etc.) of the MAGA movement remain in the Confederate South.

[appalachiablue]

17. West Virginia wasn't part of the Confederacy,

the western and northern counties of Va. broke away from the Old Dominion over the Civil War and seceded in spring 1861.

West Virginia became a Union state on June 20, 1863. The Mountaineer State had Union regiments and also a few informal Confederate units I think.

Maryland had a large amount of slavery but stayed out of the Confederacy. Eastern Md. was particularly noted for slave residents, farms, plantations and well known African Americans Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglass who were born and raised there.

Neighbor state Delaware, esp. the lower part was an agricultural area utilizing with black labor although it was in the Union.

[Treefrog]

19. They guy who carried that flag in the Capitol was from Delaware.

[Hekate]

22. The problem we face today is that MAGA hats & Confederate flags are displayed in every state...

The 1/6 insurrectionists came from all over the country, including at least one *hole from Hawai’i.

It is no longer a North-South split. It is no longer a split between former slave-states and the free-states. Sure some places are worse than others, but have no illusions, this poison is everywhere.

[billh58]

23. Too true, but

the states from the former confederacy remain as the root of the extremism being exported to other states -- hence the Confederate flag as a symbol of all that is vile to the rest of us.

Incidentally, the "*hole" from Hawai'i" is not from Hawaii, but is a transplant courtesy of the Marine Corps after he was transferred to Kaneohe Bay MCAS. Unfortunately we have some Mainland transplants in Hawai'i who do not represent our values and aloha, as do other states. But Hawaii as a whole does not align with the MAGA/QAnon extremist groups, and is a Democratic, Progressive stronghold.

[Hekate]

27. Hawai'i is my old home state & I was really shocked when that guy turned up in the news...

I wondered if he was in the military, or what the hell his problem was. Do you know if he was still serving at Kaneohe, or if he was out and just hung around?

[billh58]

28. I found this article about Nick Ochs:

FORT WAYNE, Ind. (WPTA21) -- A man with ties to Northeast Indiana has been identified as one of the people who stormed Capitol Hill during the Jan. 6 session of Congress.

- Snip -

After graduating, Ochs joined the United States Marine Corps and eventually moved to the island state, where was the Vice Chair of Donald Trump's 2016 Hawaii campaign. He also attended the University of Hawaii, where he obtained a degree in journalism.

-Snip -

Beyond starting the Hawaiian chapter of the Proud Boys, Ochs was a 2020 Republican nominee for Hawaii's State House of Representatives (District 22). He was defeated in November by Democrat Adrian Tam.

https://wpta21.com/2021/01/08/digging-deeper-proud-boy-with-northeast-indiana-roots-identified-as-person-in-capitol-hill-riot/

in summary: pilau haole

[Hekate]

30. Good summary. It is to be hoped he gets his just desserts for 1/6 and has a federal vacation...

... behind bars.

[gulliver]

24. It wouldn't be another civil war, because the first one is ongoing

Despite the surrender, the South never gave up. The Civil War has just taken on new forms, including insurgency and terrorism. The war on drugs is arguably an adapted vestige of the Civil War.

[billh58]

25. Yes, and in their minds

it has changed from the "war of Northern aggression" to the "war of Liberal aggression." That is the true meaning behind the MAGA movement: to make America like the Confederacy again.

[roamer65]

37. Their goal is white minority rule like Apartheid South Africa.

Not all states are going to go along with that horse shit.

[misanthrope]

26. Colin Woodard's "American Nations"

It explains everything in this thread. Once you read, American history and politics will be easier to understand.

You will also see in his last chapter how the author foretold the fractures and stresses we now experience.

[billh58]

29. Thanks for the

tip. I'll check it out.

[dalton99a]

31. More Pennsylvanians Have Been Arrested for Capitol Riots Than Residents of Any Other State

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2021/03/02/capitol-riot-arrests-pennsylvania/

While Pennsylvania leads the way in this unfortunate ranking, Texas and Florida aren’t far behind, with 23 residents arrested each. New York is next, with 20, followed by California and Virginia, each with 15. Then there’s Ohio with 13 and Kentucky with 11. The tally for capital-adjacent Maryland is nine residents. That’s the same number as New Jersey...

[tishaLA]

32. And if you ever travel outside Philadelphia

and Pittsburgh, you'll be AMAZED at all the confederate flags you see. It's shocking, especially since Gettysburg isn't exactly unknown (I think most school kids in PA take a school trip there at one point) and there's a widespread veneer, at least, of pride in defeating the confederates there.

[Treefrog]

34. Thank you for this Dalton!

Lots of weird regional prejudice on this board.

[billh58]

35. Regional prejudice

works both ways. See this post:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215410347#post24

What we call the Civil War is called the "War of Northern Aggression" by many in former Confederate states.

I realize that not everyone in the South is racist, but the former Confederate states were collectively treasonous, and were rightfully conquered and forced to end the abhorrent practice of slavery. The right-wing MAGA contingent openly supports the display of the Confederate flag, and all that it stands for, and actively promotes a return to a pre-Civil War society. Their armed militias openly threaten another Civil War under the guise of "patriotism" when the real motive is to keep anyone who isn't Anglo-Saxon and white from participating in our political system.

I also realize that the Trump-inspired MAGA movement is not contained to the former Confederate states, and has spread to much of the country. But the fact remains that the Confederate flag, and the Confederate ideals promoted by groups like the Proud Boys, are the face of today's Republican Party and Trump's MAGA traitors.

Regional prejudice? Maybe, but it's not based on race, religion, or national origin, but rather on a treasonous history and present-day seditious actions.

[Treefrog]

36. I grew up in a southern state.

I have NEVER heard that war called that EVER. Except here. It’s a favorite meme here. Enjoy yourself!

[billh58]

39. There's no enjoyment to be had

from stating the truth of a sad era in our nation's history.

War of Northern/Yankee Aggression

The name "War of Northern Aggression" has been used to indicate the Union as the belligerent party in the war. The name arose in the 1950s, during the Jim Crow era, when it was coined by segregationists who tried to equate contemporary efforts to end segregation with 19th-century efforts to abolish slavery. The name has been criticized by historians such as James M. McPherson, as the Confederacy "took the initiative by seceding in defiance of an election of a president by a constitutional majority" and "started the war by firing on the American flag."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_American_Civil_War#War_of_Northern/Yankee_Aggression

Just because you NEVER heard the phrase doesn't mean that many haven't used it, nor that the sentiment doesn't exist. I remember hearing it often during the 50s and 60s, and still see it in print today. I also remember the numerous "Whites Only" signs all throughout the South during the same period. I remember the Civil Rights movement, and participated in marches and demonstrations when I could. I remember being called a "N***** lover" on many of those occasions.

There has been a lot of progress made in the Deep South, but there remains much to be accomplished -- not only in the South but in the rest of the MAGA-infested states as well.

Peace, and take care.

[dalton99a]

38. Most Southerners say "Civil War"

A few avid defenders of those symbols talk of the War of Northern Aggression, and at least some people assume it is the South’s name for that war. And if not that, they think, white southerners surely call it the War between the States. Yet in a 1994 Southern Focus Poll, still the most extensive poll on attitudes toward the Civil War, when asked the war’s name only 6.5 percent of southerners answered War Between the States, and fewer than 1 percent offered War of Northern Aggression.

That name came into use only in the second half of the twentieth century. Before the 1950s, almost no southerners used War of Northern Aggression. It emerged out of white southern resentment of federal intervention in race relations during the civil rights era, and its use grew after that, encouraged by the neo-Confederate movement. As the Southern Focus Poll showed, however, even then relatively few southerners adopted it.[2]

War between the States has had a wider acceptance and a much longer history; the Focus Poll’s results reflected a decline in its usage. Surveys in the South Atlantic and Gulf South states, conducted by the Linguistic Atlas of the United States in the mid-twentieth century, found more southerners called it the War between the States, although still fewer than 25 percent. The polls also showed the upper-class and well-educated were the most likely to use it, which probably reflected the strength of the Lost Cause among the white South’s elite at that time.[3]

.. Even in the Southern Historical Society Papers, which began publication shortly after the war and which scholars consider the voice of the most intractable former Confederates, Civil War appeared twice as often as War Between the States.[5]

https://www.journalofthecivilwarera.org/2018/09/what-the-name-civil-war-tells-us-and-why-it-matters/

[billh58]

40. Point taken

and I understand your position. I suspect that you are much younger than I, and we see this matter from different perspectives.

Peace...