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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow did the biggest fraud, fake and con succeed in
selling his fake news, fake media, fake elections and now fake president meme to so many people?
winetourdriver01
(1,154 posts)Two main factors: One, thirty percent of the public leans fascist. Two, democratic republics are fragile things, and quite easy to undermine.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Lovie777
(12,257 posts)and easily sold to those who's ideology resemble same.
Bev54
(10,050 posts)They all supported the Bush admin with the Big Lie about weapons of Mass Destruction. It took longer to prove he was lying but the repubs learned to double down.
malaise
(268,967 posts)Very timely
malaise
(268,967 posts)Very timely
Evolve Dammit
(16,725 posts)procedure. If you can sell a war to the US against a country who didn't attack us on 9-11, displace and kill 4 million people, ignore the Geneva Conventions as "quaint" and torture prisoners, snow job the world with lies about "aluminum tubes" (Colin Powell), mushroom clouds (all) and planning the takeover of Iraq under the banner of "nation-building" while planning the oil fields to seize, it worked magically. Why not make it even better? Fucking war criminals, now trying to be moderate voices of reason. Buckle up America.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Hans Blix and Scott Ritter made the case open and shut that Iraq possessed virtually no WMDs. Blix himself, who was very hawkish some months before the invasion, said weeks before the invasion that there was nothing after 700 inspections. None of this was reported by the media or if it was it was reported with an "other side" perspective (I know Ritter was often on CNN trying to argue that Iraq had no WMDs).
When all was said and done they found 14 rounds of mustard gas and a few other things like empty canisters, a great success to millions of lives lost or displaced and trillions of dollars of American taxpayer money.
NQAS
(10,749 posts)The big lie told to people who believe they have been marginalized. Going on 15 years now.
Amplified by talk radio and fox.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)He's spent his entire life getting away with stuff. Pulling more scams and fraud than we'll ever know.
With a near perfect success rate, there's no reason for him to stop.
I said it many times, but I do not expect him to EVER be held accountable for ANY of the things he did since 2016. It's just not going to happen.
I realize there are many at DU who think that it's premature to say this, and that the long arm of the law is headed his way. I sincerely doubt it, and even if he were to be charged, he'll find a way out. He always does.
malaise
(268,967 posts)This is why he thinks he's the chosen one - nothing has stuck up to now.
I disagree with you re accountability - I think this is the end of the line for that monster.
I hope I'm right.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)I just know the country we live in, so I'm not holding my breath.
Haggard Celine
(16,844 posts)appearances rather than reality. They belong to crazy religions and worship celebrities and royalty. Ignorant and incurious, they live soap opera lives and crave titillation. Someone like Trump was bound to come along sooner or later. He saw a need in the midst of these people, and he met it. Now that he's gone from the daily news, they're craving the excitement he brought to their lives. God only knows how this is going to end. I hope He's merciful and takes the orange one away from this realm.
malaise
(268,967 posts)but you raise a good point re the crazy religions and the crap they believe... Still he is such a fraud that you'd think they'd have realized by now. After all those Covid deaths you'd also expect people to wake up.
Blue Owl
(50,355 posts)I was pretty young when Reagan was in office but many have said the same about him... Granted he was a much more likable person than the odious, obnoxious t***p...
What anyone sees in Diarrhea Donny I will NEVER understand. Ive thought that POS was a clown since the 80s...
dchill
(38,480 posts)Yavin4
(35,438 posts)Anyone who is wealthy is perceived as being smarter and better than anyone else. Yes, I know that Trump is not as wealthy as people think, but the American people are under the perception that he is wealthy thanks to the show, "The Apprentice".
One criticism that I heard about Dr. Fauci was that if he was so smart then why does he work for the government and not some big pharma company. There are folks that believe that Dr. Fauci shouldn't be listened to because he's not rich.
malaise
(268,967 posts)Sick
Mr.Bill
(24,284 posts)can't tell the difference between a moron and a genius.
malaise
(268,967 posts)of the population of several countries.
Skittles
(153,155 posts)it hasn't changed
malaise
(268,967 posts)and you're so right
Skittles
(153,155 posts)America has never recovered....and whenever Democrats make some progress, repukes go into overdrive to take us backwards.
malaise
(268,967 posts)across the planet
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)... he just got the credit while the faceless, nameless Nazis scurried around Washington, doing all the evil dirty work. Dick Cheney was one of those Nazis but there were plenty of others. It was just a cloud of evil and they totally transformed our country and our culture during the 8 years that Reagan was in office.
Our kids and grandkids will never understand that everything - EVERYTHING!!! - changed under Reagan.
Elessar Zappa
(13,975 posts)that Biden is attempting to overthrow Reaganism. I pray he's successful.
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)Response to FakeNoose (Reply #22)
Elessar Zappa This message was self-deleted by its author.
BlueNProud
(1,048 posts)JI7
(89,248 posts)malaise
(268,967 posts)They accept the king of cons
elleng
(130,891 posts)an influential book written by Edward L. Bernays in 1928, incorporated the literature from social science and psychological manipulation into an examination of the techniques of public communication. Bernays wrote the book in response to the success of some of his earlier works such as Crystallizing Public Opinion (1923) and A Public Relations Counsel (1927). Propaganda explored the psychology behind manipulating masses and the ability to use symbolic action and propaganda to influence politics, effect social change, and lobby for gender and racial equality.[1] Walter Lippman was Bernays' unacknowledged American mentor and his work The Phantom Public greatly influenced the ideas expressed in Propaganda a year later.[2] The work propelled Bernays into media historians' view of him as the "father of public relations."[3] . . .
Chapters one through six address the complex relationship between human psychology, democracy, and corporations. Bernays' thesis is that "invisible" people who create knowledge and propaganda rule over the masses, with a monopoly on the power to shape thoughts, values, and citizen response.[4] "Engineering consent" of the masses would be vital for the survival of democracy.[5] Bernays explains:
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of."[6]
Bernays expands this argument to the economic realm, appreciating the positive impact of propaganda in the service of capitalism.[7]'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_(book)
'The concept of propaganda, which later evolved into Public Relations was used by the United States, United Kingdom, Germany, and others to rally for domestic support and demonize enemies during the World Wars. World War I was the first war which affected not only military but whole populations and is considered to be "modern propaganda's launching pad."[18] This led to more sophisticated commercial publicity efforts as public relations talent entered the private sector. Most historians believe modern-day public relations was first established in the US by Ivy Lee or Edward Bernays, then spread internationally. Many American companies with PR departments spread the practice to Europe when they created European subsidiaries as a result of the Marshall plan.[19]'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations
It was used here too in the 70s and 80s
elleng
(130,891 posts)I read a few essays a while ago; Bernays was an important figure, but there were others.
Dumbing Down of America.
maxrandb
(15,324 posts)Local Stations and the local advertisers that buy ads on these stations ought to be boycotted until they bleed.
Hell, Limbaugh has been maggot feed for months now, but his show is still there.
Apparently, they have guest hosts that placate the hayseeds by going into the archives and replaying Zombie Rush talking about the "Clenis"
gab13by13
(21,321 posts)along with the MSM, and cable news is right wing. One of the biggest lies out there is that the media is liberal.
betsuni
(25,475 posts)Republican voters aren't ideologues, don't actually like Republican policies. What they love is hate of the other. Trump was the anti-establishment populist hate monger they've been waiting for. He repeated things the audience cheered for the most. Suckers. Anti-establishment populists with long lists of enemies are popular with people who find identity in victimhood, everything is the fault of enemies out to get you. Very convenient. At least with religion you have to take some of the blame for sinning and so on.
malaise
(268,967 posts)and yes they have mastered the victim card very well
JHB
(37,159 posts)All Trump had to do was promise them White Whale steak dinners for life and the hagfish will pay for it, and they were off on his Pequod.
edhopper
(33,575 posts)ignorant, willfully ignorant and bigoted than we would have liked to have thought.
Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)malaise
(268,967 posts)and diversity?
malaise
(268,967 posts)and diversity?
stillcool
(32,626 posts)and a sick society.