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If Democrats don't pass voting rights protection bill......... (Original Post) UCmeNdc May 2021 OP
K&R, Trump terrorist get back power they won't give it up America becomes Belarus uponit7771 May 2021 #1
Correct... WarGamer May 2021 #2
Oh pleeeasz!! Dotard has no interest or intention of becoming house speaker. PortTack May 2021 #11
Are you kidding? WarGamer May 2021 #24
Yup. It will be the end of democracy in the USA Dave says May 2021 #3
How?? Seriously PortTack May 2021 #12
Voter suppression and redistricting will carve off our House majority Dave says May 2021 #15
They'll take voter suppression to 1000, you don't think they'll do this? tia BTW, voter uponit7771 May 2021 #20
So, How Do You Propose They Do That? SoCalDavidS May 2021 #4
RSO rso May 2021 #5
Repeal the filibuster for voting legislation only questionseverything May 2021 #6
They don't need to repeal all of the filibuster. In the same way OnDoutside May 2021 #8
I'm sick of this chicken little shit. tritsofme May 2021 #7
This! PortTack May 2021 #13
1. At worst we will past most of it. 2. There's never only one way to accomplish goals. Hortensis May 2021 #9
Thank you!! As always a voice of sanity PortTack May 2021 #14
It'd be easier to just trust those cards are good if we could out message the GQP. uponit7771 May 2021 #21
They will try and impeach him. I think the 10 qgop congress critters that voted to impeach trump PortTack May 2021 #10
"suppression laws are currently facing legal challenges and will be struck down in the courts" Dave says May 2021 #16
All of the anti democracy laws in every state? tia uponit7771 May 2021 #22
:) Keep the house blue! Pass it on! Pubs in congress now have Hortensis May 2021 #23
If we lose House, it's our fault. Hoyt May 2021 #17
the problem with hyperbole like this is qazplm135 May 2021 #18
I don't think we'll necessarily lose, but the path to victory will be more difficult StarfishSaver May 2021 #19

WarGamer

(12,354 posts)
2. Correct...
Tue May 11, 2021, 06:34 PM
May 2021

I have NO DOUBT that a GOP House would impeach Biden THREE TIMES in 2023.

And the effort will be lead by Speaker Donald Trump.

So yeah... GOTV.

WarGamer

(12,354 posts)
24. Are you kidding?
Wed May 12, 2021, 06:22 PM
May 2021

It would give him a front row seat to trolling DEMS... he'd love it AND it's an excuse why he wouldn't run in '24.

Dave says

(4,616 posts)
15. Voter suppression and redistricting will carve off our House majority
Tue May 11, 2021, 07:50 PM
May 2021

The dogs of retribution will impeach President Biden repeatedly. Even though we'll also lose the Senate, Biden will remain safe (they won't get to 67 votes). However, the people's agenda will stall, a re-empowered McConnell will see to that, with negative fallout for us in the 2024 Presidential election (normal naive 'blame the incumbents' at that point).

You don't think those things we value are at risk? Like free speech, social security and medicare, equality of opportunity (not that we have that now), fairness in taxation, etc.? This risk will be much amplified if we lose Congress and then the Presidency.

If you don't see our democracy hanging on by a thread, well. Let me recommend Levitsky and Ziblatt, How Democracies Die. It's a good read. The parallels with other failed democracies are more than alarming. We are already quite a bit down that road.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
20. They'll take voter suppression to 1000, you don't think they'll do this? tia BTW, voter
Wed May 12, 2021, 04:26 PM
May 2021

... suppression works to bend elections in favor of those implementing it

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
4. So, How Do You Propose They Do That?
Tue May 11, 2021, 07:01 PM
May 2021

They're not going to get 1 repub to vote for it, let alone 10.

I see Zero chance of it happening, and a good chance that we're going to lose the House in 2022.

rso

(2,267 posts)
5. RSO
Tue May 11, 2021, 07:03 PM
May 2021

How can democrats pass voting rights ?. It’s not eligible for reconciliation as it’s not budget related, so the only way it can pass is if the filibuster is repealed.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
6. Repeal the filibuster for voting legislation only
Tue May 11, 2021, 07:07 PM
May 2021

Unless federal legislation is passed democracy is doomed

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
8. They don't need to repeal all of the filibuster. In the same way
Tue May 11, 2021, 07:11 PM
May 2021

Republicans got rid of the filibuster for SC judges. I'm heartened by Jeff Merkleys interview with Rachel last night, but time is not in Democrats side...

tritsofme

(17,370 posts)
7. I'm sick of this chicken little shit.
Tue May 11, 2021, 07:09 PM
May 2021

There is no path for the bill to pass, Democrats will be prepared to fight in whatever environment we face.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. 1. At worst we will past most of it. 2. There's never only one way to accomplish goals.
Tue May 11, 2021, 07:20 PM
May 2021

Deep breath and remember that you don't know what cards are held by toughened and far more knowledgeable people. This is their life, their work, and they've been battling it for years while most people refused to pay attention or listen to their warnings and attempts to inform, appalling numbers soaking up Republican and Russian propaganda.

"They don't care about people like me." Whatever "people like me" is.

PortTack

(32,705 posts)
10. They will try and impeach him. I think the 10 qgop congress critters that voted to impeach trump
Tue May 11, 2021, 07:26 PM
May 2021

Will not go along with that, so the effort may fail. They will never reach 2/3 in the senate.

Biden will remain popular so it may actually help, it certainly helped Clinton. It’s sad because they have zero grounds.

Many of the voter suppression laws are currently facing legal challenges and will be struck down in the courts. At least the most egregious parts. It’s up to us voting right bill or not. Volunteer, donate and do what you can

Keep the house blue in ‘22!! Pass it on

Dave says

(4,616 posts)
16. "suppression laws are currently facing legal challenges and will be struck down in the courts"
Tue May 11, 2021, 07:53 PM
May 2021

I hope you're right. However, I see a lot of 6-3 decisions in our future.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. :) Keep the house blue! Pass it on! Pubs in congress now have
Wed May 12, 2021, 04:55 PM
May 2021

the poll results that show Individual One is very unpopular with Republican voters (not just right leaning indies!) in the swing states they must win. And won't.

Also that our Democratic policies are in general popular with half their voters.

They may be starting to realize backing Trump, because they thought that was how to win, was actually like trying to make a deal with the Devil. Never done it myself, but if they smirk contemptuously at betraying promises, just imagine The Father of Lies.



qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
18. the problem with hyperbole like this is
Wed May 12, 2021, 03:25 PM
May 2021

1. it's not effective in making what you want to happen, actually happen. You can't pass this bill by reconciliation, and Manchin and Sinema ain't going to overrule the Parliamentarian. And it ain't getting 60 votes. So it's pretty much impossible.

2. Saying this knowing it almost assuredly won't pass is effectively signalling to millions of voters, don't bother coming out in 2022, we can't win anyways.

If you want to give up, fine, give up, but stop encouraging others to give up. And by you, I mean anyone who buys into this whole apocalypse if we don't pass HR 1 baloney.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
19. I don't think we'll necessarily lose, but the path to victory will be more difficult
Wed May 12, 2021, 03:43 PM
May 2021

If it being the right thing to do isn't a good enough reason to pass it, maybe they'll be willing to pass it for their own political survival.

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