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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Tue May 11, 2021, 10:49 PM May 2021

I know I am not alone when I say that it was embarrassingly obvious the very first time that

I saw and heard from the likes of Donald Trump, Mike Lindell, Wayne LaPierre, Matt Gaetz and Ted Cruz that they were lying hypocritical phonies. I had no detailed evidence---no real "proof" that they were bad people, but still I KNEW that they were.

I have enough sense to know that such "knowledge" must be corroborated by subsequent observation before it can be acted upon and openly discussed with reference to a political figure's competence and character, BUT---whether you attribute it to "intuition" or "spidey sense", it has very seldom misled me.

Some people just seem to radiate waves of "skeevy".

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I know I am not alone when I say that it was embarrassingly obvious the very first time that (Original Post) Atticus May 2021 OP
TFG was a pathetically obvious liar and braggart. eppur_se_muova May 2021 #1
I do not like thee, Doctor Fell, Buns_of_Fire May 2021 #2
I seldom like poetry, but that got LOL. 5X May 2021 #3
captures that intuitive feeling NJCher May 2021 #9
Nor you either Dr. Phil, Harker May 2021 #20
Exactly! nancy1942 May 2021 #4
Unadulterated bullshit has an unforgettable, recognizable stench FoxNewsSucks May 2021 #5
Tsunami waves keithbvadu2 May 2021 #6
"Some people just seem to radiate waves of 'skeevy'." soldierant May 2021 #7
I understand that NJCher May 2021 #10
Same here. smirkymonkey May 2021 #15
II have no difficulty believeing you. soldierant May 2021 #21
It's funny, I used to not trust myself when I felt that way about someone because many times there smirkymonkey May 2021 #22
For some, but not all... uriel1972 May 2021 #8
Sometimes, the organizations they front are a dead giveaway. dchill May 2021 #11
Fair point. hay rick May 2021 #12
Trump hates dogs because they all want to bite him at first sniff William Seger May 2021 #13
Baffled stillspkg May 2021 #14
Humans are highly social primates, descended from other highly social primates. Crunchy Frog May 2021 #16
I know better than to think I am a good judge of character captain queeg May 2021 #17
I came up in the building trades and distrust real-estate developers from personal experience pecosbob May 2021 #18
look at the "guests" , winger tv.. Maxheader May 2021 #19

eppur_se_muova

(36,264 posts)
1. TFG was a pathetically obvious liar and braggart.
Tue May 11, 2021, 10:59 PM
May 2021

To me, it was like he started every sentence with "don't believe a word I say", but a lot of people never heard it.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,180 posts)
2. I do not like thee, Doctor Fell,
Tue May 11, 2021, 11:09 PM
May 2021

The reason why, I cannot tell;
But this I know, and know full well,
I do not like thee, Doctor Fell.

Harker

(14,020 posts)
20. Nor you either Dr. Phil,
Wed May 12, 2021, 03:12 PM
May 2021

You're what my mom used to call a pill;
I loathe TV and always will.
Nor you either, Dr. Phil.

(with apologies to Tom Brown)

(and Buns O' Fire)

nancy1942

(635 posts)
4. Exactly!
Tue May 11, 2021, 11:26 PM
May 2021

You are so right. Some things are as plain as the nose on a face. I always recognize the face of a Dorian Gray. It's very obvious.

soldierant

(6,880 posts)
7. "Some people just seem to radiate waves of 'skeevy'."
Wed May 12, 2021, 12:08 AM
May 2021

That - and some other people seem to have what I can only call a gift of discernment. My late mother had that in spades. All she needed was a photograph to tell you whether or not you could trust someone. I learned not to dismoss that (although I also knew and still know that such knowledge must be corroborated before it can be discussed. However, I might point out that it's easier to recognize corroboration if one is looking for it silently.)

I have some ability in that direction - but nowhere near what she had. Another reason to miss her.

NJCher

(35,679 posts)
10. I understand that
Wed May 12, 2021, 12:20 AM
May 2021

I have it, too. The photograph thing is important and even better is meeting the person f2f.

I have girlfriends in some distant cities and now and then they'll have a relationship with some guy whose behavior is puzzling. Just by hearing their stories, I can only tell so much. But let me meet the person or send me a photo and I can pretty much nail the situation right then and there.

Sometimes I can get it from handwriting.

It's just a feeling and then I have to put it into words, which isn't always so easy.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
15. Same here.
Wed May 12, 2021, 02:09 AM
May 2021

It's just instinct. And when you think about it, that is what animals rely upon and basically we are just more advanced animals.

I can spot bad news a mile away and I have never been wrong. I can even tell by looking at a photograph of someone. I know most people won't believe that, but my instincts have always been spot on ever since I was a child and they have served me well. There is no logical explanation, it is just an intuitive thing.

soldierant

(6,880 posts)
21. II have no difficulty believeing you.
Wed May 12, 2021, 04:57 PM
May 2021

I did do it from a photograph once when it wasn't totally obvious (as Trump** is, for instance) but I am not consistent, as Mom was. But I never thought she was the only one in the world who had that. I'm not surprised there are others (just al little envious.)

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
22. It's funny, I used to not trust myself when I felt that way about someone because many times there
Wed May 12, 2021, 06:45 PM
May 2021

were other people who thought they were "great" and "really fun", etc., so I would give them the benefit of the doubt. However, almost without fail, my instincts would eventually be proven spot on. Sooner or later, I always found out there was a damn good reason not to trust the person that I was getting bad vibes about.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
8. For some, but not all...
Wed May 12, 2021, 12:11 AM
May 2021

the ugliness within seeps into their face/facial expressions and posture. Some like the two pedophiles I once thought were friends it is harder to tell. That they got caught and were sent to jail was fortunate. I wonder how many slip by me constantly. It makes you doubt everyone.

hay rick

(7,621 posts)
12. Fair point.
Wed May 12, 2021, 01:09 AM
May 2021

This is one of the monstrous puzzles of our age. These are bad people, they make little effort to hide it, and some of them just plain can't hide it. This raises the question- can the Trumpers not see what we see (usually in the first two minutes)- or do they just not care. I tend to believe the latter in many cases. It explains the spiteful motivation of "owning the libs."

stillspkg

(93 posts)
14. Baffled
Wed May 12, 2021, 01:56 AM
May 2021

We, the people of the United States of America; the ones who value the mission and vision of our forebears and every keeper of the flame since: spend great effort trying to find ways to stay ahead of those who do not carry that vision.

We read, we research, we listen, we strategize, organize and petition. We work so hard trying to contain, babysit, expose and defeat the worst among us while they
pick away at the foundation we were formed on.

How did we get here? How did they get elected? How does this "happen?"
It isn't because we aren't working hard enough or that a whole lot of people are easily duped. People work with the choices they are given.

I hope one day enough people will hear something wise in what I've mentioned a few times;
As long as we allow ourselves to be led by persons who share none of the values that make us great, who have no credentials, from whom nothing is expected,
and whose misdeeds have no real consequences, .. every we stand for, every achievement is a mockery.

When will we finally put together requirements for being elected to the highest offices of the land that reflect the values we hold dear.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
16. Humans are highly social primates, descended from other highly social primates.
Wed May 12, 2021, 02:18 AM
May 2021

We're evolved to read each other and pick up on subtle cues.

captain queeg

(10,207 posts)
17. I know better than to think I am a good judge of character
Wed May 12, 2021, 02:53 AM
May 2021

I remember my dad used to always say that and he was one of the worst judges I’d ever seen. That being said I definitely do it, I just realize I might be wrong.

pecosbob

(7,541 posts)
18. I came up in the building trades and distrust real-estate developers from personal experience
Wed May 12, 2021, 06:57 AM
May 2021

The majority are swindlers that live off other people's money. The first time I ever heard of Donald Trump waaay back in the 80's I knew that he was a fraudster. I saw the adulation of the man's garish tastes and lifestyle as a definitive sign of the deterioration of American culture. I watched him lose in court against the NFL. I laughed when I heard he was selling steaks. His move into the business of fake university degrees was a natural for him, much the way that eating shit is natural for a catfish. Everything the man touched turned to shit...all he knew how to do was talk people into giving him money, cutting corners, litigating and pocketing the cash. When his track record finally caught up with him of course he went to the shylocks, those being the Eastern European and Russian mobs.

The only thing that truly surprised me was the media's behavior during the 2016 election.

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