Actually, Liz Cheney is a Coward

[JoeOtterbein]

If Liz was nearly as brave as we are hearing from the pundits, first she would leave the party that depends on lies to exist.

Second, she would join the only national party that does not depend on lies to exist.

It really is as simple as that.

But of course a Cheney cannot join us Democrats. Then she would have to admit her own father lied us into a disastrous war which killed too many of earth's humans to forgive.

Liz Cheney is as much as a "miserable failure" as her father's, Dick Cheney's and his minion Bush's, administration.

We all need to stop praising her.

[Bev54]

1. She is more republican than most republicans and will not leave

she will stick around waiting for Trump to fall and she will declare victory and have the rest of them under her thumb. Don't forget her Daddy was instrumental in the other big lie that sent the country to war, which it is still in. Unfortunately they are still popular with that ilk of the party and can sway some big money. She wants to be president.

[Marie Marie]

2. She is still too entrenched in conservative ideals for me to welcome her

to join the Democratic Party. She is a Republican whose party no longer wants her. This is for the GOP to figure out and my hope is that this schism takes down the whole damn party. She's doing the right thing but she is still wrong on every other front.

[Celerity]

7. There is a cadre who want to see our party become one that would take her in

[lagomorph777]

49. It doesn't look like a schism to me. There is the GQP, and there are a dozen or so nonconfomists.

The battle for the corrupt soul of the GQP is over.

[JohnSJ]

3. This has nothing to do with Liz Cheney's view on the issues, but agreeing with her on the danger

trump and most in the Republican Party poise to our democracy by perpetuating the lie that trump won

There is nothing wrong with Supporting Liz Cheney on that one issue

We are “praising her” because she despises trump and the lies, and if you cannot recognize the distinction, that is quite sad

[JoeOtterbein]

6. She is still a...

...coward.

Just as spineless as the rest of the Trumplican party.

[JohnSJ]

17. Do what. Do you agree with her on calling trump and his supporters out on the

lies that trump won the election, and calling him out on instigating the insurrection or not, because that is what the “praise” is about

Tomorrow, Miller, trump’s last defense secretary is going before the House to fall on his sword for trump and say he is responsible for delaying calling the National guard, not trump, because he thought it would look bad

This is why Cheney’s voice will be valuable, on things like that, and I would bet no Democrat in the House is going to trash her on this

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-pentagon-chief-testimoney-house/

[JoeOtterbein]

19. Do what? Easy...

...change parties. But, like I said she cannot. She is a coward.

[JohnSJ]

25. Why would she? She sure isn't a Democrat, and she is trying to change her party, and that

isn’t even the issue. The issue is whether to agree with her on her disdain of trump and his lies.

The fact that she has chosen to fight within her insane party doesn’t make her a coward. She is going to be torn to shreds when they most likely will vote her out from her position, and whether she even gets re-elected because of her stance is very much in doubt.

That isn’t being a coward. A coward would have done what 90% of her fellow republicans in Congress are doing, bowing before “his holiness” trump

[ShazzieB]

34. I agree with this.

I think some here hate her so much that they are letting it get in the way of giving credit where credit is due. It's a rather black and white way of looking at things, imo. In that view, Cheney is bad, so nothing she does could ever be good. I don't see things that way. I see some black, yes, and some white. I also see a million shades of gray.

I really liked the speech she made. I think it's great the way she laid it all on the line and called Chump and his followers out on all their election fraud crap. Was it brave? I don't know, and I don't care. What I know is that I'm glad she's doing it. She's doing the right thing in calling out Chump on his Big Lie. Is she doing the right thing for the wrong reasons? I don't know and I don't care. I'm just glad she's doing it. Was it some noble, heroic act? I don't think so, but I do think it was gutsy, and I'm glad she did it.

I don't see what the big deal is. Humans are very complex creatures. A "bad" person can do something worthwhile once in a while, and vice versa. I can recognize what she's doing in this instance and have a favorable opinion of it, without thinking she's a hero or an angel.

[JohnSJ]

37. I think your analysis is extremely good

[pazzyanne]

40. Yes!

What you said.

[betsuni]

52. +1

[brush]

26. No. We don't want her in the Democratic Party.

She should quit all right, but join with the group of "rationals" who are threatening to form a third party. There's no place for her in our party.

Taking a stand against trump on principle is to be commended.

[Autumn]

48. Yes she is a coward. She didn't speak out when it mattered, she was too busy voting for

his agenda and supporting his every action. She and her ilk created, nourished and fostered him and his sycophants. All to stop Obama and now Biden from doing anything that needs tp be done and to own the Libs Fuck em. I'm enjoying everything that the Republicans are doing to each other.

[George II]

44. In what way is she a coward? You've said that more than once without explanation.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

51. For this thread

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

54. +1

[pazzyanne]

28. Exactly! nt

[Me.]

50. I Think She's Doing Us A Favor

Let her duke it out with him and them. Saves us cash. And when she runs in '24 we'll face her with her past and defeat her.

But while she's on this crusade we'd be fools not to recognize the moxie it takes to do what she's doing. And while the enemy of my enemy is my friend for the moment it won't last forever.

[ibegurpard]

4. Wrong

We need people like her to speak up without cutting and running first so that other Republicans are forced to reckon with how off the rails their party has gone.

[JoeOtterbein]

5. No

We need people like her to act and become Democrats, if they are really serious about their problems with the republicants. The rest is just talk.

[madaboutharry]

11. Your wrong.

This country needs a strong two party system. If there is only one principled and functioning party then we don’t really have a democracy.

[uriel1972]

12. Democracy requires a fair voting system...

The two parties thing not so much, let there be as many parties as can be sustained, let there be coalitions and mergers and schisms. The two party system can be as debilitating as the one party system.

[JoeOtterbein]

13. I was talking about one lying hypocrite...

...not all of them.

[pazzyanne]

29. NO!

We do not need people like her in the Democratic Party! She is right where she needs to be doing what she is doing.

[ShazzieB]

35. +1,000!

[George II]

45. So if one disagrees with one's party or a party one caucuses with, he she should leave?

[zebrapa]

14. ibegurpard

Agree with you 100%

[dflprincess]

8. The Democratic party does not need members with

Cheney's conservative views. Joe Manchin is a big enough pain in the ass.

Other than admitting Trump lost, she fits in just fine with the Republicans.

[JoeOtterbein]

20. I hate to admit it, but...

...we do need more "pain in the ass" like Manchin on our side. We have little room to spare. Sadly.

[rockfordfile]

9. Liz Cheney should say that conservatism/despotism isn't for America

It's dangerous and anti-American.

[rockfordfile]

10. Liz Cheney should say that conservatism/despotism isn't for America

It's dangerous and anti-American.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

15. Liz maybe

many things but coward she is not.

[JoeOtterbein]

22. If she was not a coward she would have at least mentioned...

...Kevin McCarthy's name at least once.

[Iggo]

16. On the other end of this, she'll still be a fucking neocon.

Don’t let her fool you.

[ansible]

18. This, for f's sake why have people here already forgotten Dubya and his cronies?

GWB should be in fucking prison and killed even more people than Trump, not holding his responsible is why the orange fucktard will never see prison either!

[OnDoutside]

21. Lol !

[andym]

23. Why should she change parties? She should ask the other GOPers to change parties

She believes in the former principles of the GOP (low taxes, small government,, anti-abortion etc) , many of her colleagues now just believe in Trump, power and a kind of white nationalism. she should claim she is one of the true GOPers left and the others need to leave. They can join a new GOT: Grand Old Trump party

[Raine]

24. Liz wouldn't even be holding office if she wasn't cashing in on her father's name. nt

[Hulk]

27. She's pretty damned far from being a coward.

She is a neocon. She is a republican. She is as evil and twisted as they come. She's a vile liar and hypocrite. But she is no coward. What she is doing takes courage...and she is damned near alone.

She would never be a democrat. Are you fucking nuts!

[dalton99a]

31. +1. FWIW Bernie is still not a Democrat

[dalton99a]

30. She deserves credit for publicly denouncing the traitor and his cult.

[NurseJackie]

39. You are correct!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

47. Agreed

The Cheney family are not nice people but they are correct to call out the big lie

[canetoad]

32. No

There is no need to 'praise' her to recognise the stand she has taken against the trumpers.

She's fighting the repub embrace of trump; one of the very few who have stood against their party.

She is repudiating the trump/qanon/repub fantasy that the election was stolen.

Now Joe, if, as a member of the opposing party, you cannot recognise and appreciate Cheney's stance, you really have no business trying to discuss politics in a fair manner.

I'm getting tired of internet superlatives for everything. It lapses into parody.

[ShazzieB]

36. THIS THIS THIS

[George II]

43. Bravo!! You said that perfectly.

[Shellback Squid]

33. the enemy we know

[herding cats]

38. I'm not into people on my side wasting time on arguments about Cheney.

They're lame at best. And divisive at worst.

Fun fact: she's never going to be a Democrat. Ever. It's not on her plate. She doesn't want to flip. Not going to happen, ever. She'd retire first. It's useless fodder for unengaged leftist and rightist to blather about. It's droll.

Reality: she is working to kneecap her party, the Republicans. She'll fail in the short term, which she and all like her know. But, at least they're trying to do something. Right?

Some people need to just relax and accept reality.

[obamanut2012]

41. One of the most misguided OPs I have ever seen here

And, that's saying a lot.

[George II]

42. What does leaving the republican party in 2021 have to do with her father 20 years ago?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

46. Republicans have done the impossible

Link to tweet

[BannonsLiver]

53. She deserves credit for denouncing Dump

It doesn’t mean we’re down to fuck, metaphorically speaking. I’m not so sure what’s so hard about that.