Holy Moly, Is it REALLY Finally Happening? The GOP Imploding?

[Beetwasher.]

Can it really, really be finally happening? I think this may be it. I know, I know, don't get my hopes up, but this is actually quite fascinating to watch. What show! What a show! Pass the popcorn! Whoo hooo!!

I don't see how they reconcile, it looks like they are going to split into two parties, I can't believe it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/more-100-republican-former-officials-others-seek-reforms-threaten-new-n1267053

More than 100 influential Republicans plan to release a call for reforms within the GOP alongside a threat to form a new party if change isn't forthcoming, a person familiar with the effort said.

The statement, set to be released Thursday, involves a "Call for American Renewal," a credo that declares that it is imperative to "either reimagine a party dedicated to our founding ideals or else hasten the creation of such an alternative." The push will include 13 yet-to-be-revealed principles that the signatories want the GOP to embrace.

[leftstreet]

1. No. Cheney is launching her 2024 POTUS bid

She'll get tons of free media and raise millions and millions

[Beetwasher.]

2. Read This

More than 100 influential Republicans plan to release a call for reforms within the GOP alongside a threat to form a new party if change isn't forthcoming, a person familiar with the effort said.

The statement, set to be released Thursday, involves a "Call for American Renewal," a credo that declares that it is imperative to "either reimagine a party dedicated to our founding ideals or else hasten the creation of such an alternative." The push will include 13 yet-to-be-revealed principles that the signatories want the GOP to embrace.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/more-100-republican-former-officials-others-seek-reforms-threaten-new-n1267053

[StarfishSaver]

3. THANK You!

I don't get why people here can't see this.

[Beetwasher.]

5. Both Things Can Be True, The GOP Is Heading for A Split

She can run for President on a new party ticket. She won't get the GOP nomination as long as Trump controls the GOP. If the GOP purges Trump there will be a new Trump party that splits off. If they don't get rid of Trump, well, read this:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/more-100-republican-former-officials-others-seek-reforms-threaten-new-n1267053

[leftstreet]

7. This just gives the GOP more media attention

Their faux debates and pronouncements about reform are just tools to get more media attention and money. It's the same GOP that was briefly packaged as a-little-more-weird under Trump

[Beetwasher.]

13. Uhh, No, They Don't Need This Kind of Attention

[leftstreet]

14. Tell Trump that

Cheney's got 4 years to make herself a household name

And she won't care if she loses because she'll rake in millions in the process

[Beetwasher.]

16. Loser Trump? Tell Him What? He's a Failure

And now Cheney's a loser who will split the GOP into factions. Not sure what you're point is, this is a disaster for the GOP, what does Cheney raking in millions have to do with anything?

[gab13by13]

20. Why is Liz Cheney running for president,

a problem for Democrats?

[StarfishSaver]

42. If you have to ask, no amount of explaining will help you understand

[Ocelot II]

9. Liz is playing a long game. She's betting that eventually Trump's support

will weaken enough for her to come in and pick up the pieces. However, there may not be enough pieces left to do anything with, so we'll see...

[uponit7771]

11. +1, its a win win for her if they have anything left in another 4 years. She must know something

... like Putin's Whore is going to go to jail in the next 2 - 3 years or something.

[ProfessorGAC]

47. That's What I Think Too

Same with Kinzinger. I've met him. Sat at a table for dinner together.
He's an R(!) totally.
But, he's not a but.
I think he's waiting for an in to be a power broker in a reformation effort.

[uponit7771]

10. That's if Putin's Whore tries to run again

[Baitball Blogger]

4. I think Biden is safe for a second term.

They will get stung in 2024. After that, I think Trump will be too old to run in 2028.

[gab13by13]

33. Is he safe if the GQP gains control of the House in 2022?

[PortTack]

40. Yes

[brewens]

6. Look at how they treat Romney. I may not always have been a fan of our losing candidates, but I

sure as shit would never let on anything negative other than privately with other Democrats.

I don't think Mitt changed. Slam him and the question is, WTF were you thinking nominating him then?

[tanyev]

8. The War Between The Hates.

[kysrsoze]

12. I've heard this tune before. This group of former Republican officials will accomplish nothing.

The party is now a cult, and no Republicans in power will end up splitting into another party. They will be pushed out like Liz Cheney or primaried and retired. They always want to change things from the inside - which never happens. For four years, we watched former officials talk on TV and write op-eds about how the party has lost its way and needs to change, needs to be more welcoming, more constituent-focused, blah, blah, blah.

The cult will continue to head further to the right and into delusion. I just hope it's wacky enough to convince enough people to vote against them.

[BlueTsunami2018]

15. No, they're just casting out the non-crazies.

And I use that term loosely. I don’t consider Liz Cheney or Mitt Romney to have sane, grounded policy positions that would be beneficial to the country. They are merely not open traitors, the very lowest bar an elected official should have to clear.

[Beetwasher.]

17. That's Called a Split

Since the crazies are a significant chunk of the party. They Trumpers won't support Cheney faction and Cheney faction won't support Trump faction. They're fucked.

[BlueTsunami2018]

24. I don't see that they are.

They’re all in on the cult. Three or four people who are currently elected being against this nonsense doesn’t mean anything. They’re going to be gone in their next election. The Republicans are full bore for Тяцмр from the grassroots to the highest elected office they have. What a bunch of unelected people and old guard have to say means absolutely nothing to them. They’re the “deep state”. We’re in every bit as much danger from the loons as we were six months ago. Maybe even more. They’re an open anti-democracy party with ten of millions of people who think that’s the direction we should go in and they absolutely can win again.

We’re making a big mistake if we think they can’t or that they’re done as a national poltical force.

[Beetwasher.]

27. LOL! No, We're Not Making ANY Mistakes at All

We are watching the ship sink. They are NOT all in on the cult. Cheney is proof positive of that. Just because most GOP CONGRESS is in the cult, does not mean most GOP VOTERS are in on the cult. They aren't, that is why Biden is so popular. This is how parties die. Read history. Cheneyites will not support Trumpers. Trumpers will not support Cheneyites. The party is in complete disarray and it's an unmitigated disaster and I don't get why people try to convince themselves otherwise. It's absurd.

[BlueTsunami2018]

32. I'm sorry, I don't see it that way.

The one thing you can count on from Republicans is that they fall in line. Sure, some might find Тяцмр repulsive but given the choice between him and any generic Democrat, they’re picking him. Just as they did with W, just as they’ve always done. He was a hairsbreadth from winning again despite every horrific thing he did. When it comes down to it in the booth, they’re not voting Democratic. The Republican base is absolutely all in for Тяцмр and the nuts. Those are going to be the only people on the ballot for them to vote for in the general, and they will.

We going to need overwhelming turnout to beat them where we can. And some places it won’t matter because of redrawing the districts and voter suppression laws.

[Beetwasher.]

34. Uhh, No, They Don't all "Fall In Line" apparently, Anymore

That's the point. Their VOTERS are NOT all in for Trump. Look at the latest polling. The VOTERS are split down the middle in support for Trump and support for the GOP. The Republican base was not enough to beat Joe Biden and it won't be enough to win another election.

But if you want to live in fear of Trump, go ahead, but he's a loser who is destroying the GOP on his way to the dustbin.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/more-100-republican-former-officials-others-seek-reforms-threaten-new-n1267053

A recent NBC News poll found that 44 percent of Republicans said they support Trump more than the GOP, compared to 50 percent who said they support the GOP more than the former president.

That's not everyone falling in line for Trump, far from it.

[BlueTsunami2018]

37. I'm not "in fear" of Тяцмр.

I’m in fear of a fascist party who has been playing a sixty year long game very well and are an election or two away from achieving their goal. All Тяцмр did was say the parts out loud that they’ve been trying to pretend weren’t happening. And now that it’s out in the open, they’re pushing on with it. They’re not walking it back.

You can whistle past the graveyard all you want but we are in mortal danger as a country and they’ve stacked the deck in their favor.

Those numbers are great but they’re also meaningless. They’d vote for him when the time came. Just as they’ll vote for anyone with an R behind their name. They fall in line, they always have.

[Beetwasher.]

41. LOL! They Are Very Obviously Not All Falling In Line!

Not anymore. Trump is that big of a disaster. Seriously, this loser attitude is mindboggling.

[PortTack]

28. Agree ..they are a threat. As far as their numbers, only 25% of the voting populous identify with

The qgop and that number shrinks daily.

They are in trouble and they know it. They can’t win with him, and can’t win without him

[PortTack]

29. +1000

[Whiskeytide]

18. Most of my republican friends ...

... are educated professionals. They “mostly” do not like the deplorable, racist, redneck knuckle draggers that have become the base of the party. They seem genuinely embarrassed.

Cheney is betting that there are more of them out there than there are Тяцмрers.

My guess is that their long term plan is to turn the right wing media machine against Тяцмр and his highest profile loyalists so that most of them go underground again. The principals in that media are not typical Тяцмрsters. They are old school republicans. They are waiting on something to come out on Тяцмр that will repel everyone except the true cult believers. Knowing Ole’ daddy Cheney, he may well already know what’s coming and is advising Liz accordingly.

They will then try to rebuild the old party, accepting that it will take time and some losses to get there. But as long as they have Fox, etc..., they have a good chance of getting there.

[Beetwasher.]

19. She is Definitely Positioning Herself, But It May Be To Form a New Party

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/more-100-republican-former-officials-others-seek-reforms-threaten-new-n1267053

[Whiskeytide]

23. Perhaps. But I suspect the threat of forming a new ...

... party is just theatre. They are threatening the cult in an effort to cow it. The cult politicians know that they can’t win general elections with ONLY the Тяцмрters. They need the party apparatus. Once they realize that it might abandon them, they will fall in line (except, maybe, some of the craziest ones like MTG).

But they don’t really want to split the party.

We will see, I guess, how that goes.

[Beetwasher.]

25. Maybe, But It's Hard To See How They Reconcile

Cheney will never kow tow or back down from the Trumpists. Trump supported candidates will not be supported by Cheneyists, and Cheneyists will not support Trumpers. This is how parties die.

[Whiskeytide]

44. Truth be told, I think the true Тяцмрists are ...

... fewer in number than they seem. But they are enough to flip their primaries in a good number of races. That’s what all these R politicians fear. Other than the handful of genuine psychos, the vast majority of the R politicians don’t really believe ANY of the cult bullshit. They only vomit it up to avoid losing a primary.

If they start to understand that the true power in the party - the RW media and corporate $ - is abandoning Тяцмрism, they will all change their tune overnight. Guaranteed.

On the other hand, Тяцмр‘s numbers in the GE last year showed us that the cult members add a lot of votes to their column. We can’t deny that. The R politicians see that too. That’s why they’re acting like idiots. But that’s the media and the traditional R base plus the cult. I don’t think that can be sustained for long (especially with corporate America beginning to bail on the cult), and that’s what Cheney is betting on.

They have to carve it up. Corporate America (ie the $) is not likely to go with the cult. So it has to be excised. The only way to do that is to pull the media away from the cult, thus marginalizing it. That’s what’s coming.

[Beetwasher.]

45. Good Points

[brooklynite]

21. Willing to bet that no Republican office-holder will jump ship to the new "Party"...

...the names being circulated are all retired, defeated or never won an election.

[gab13by13]

35. The 100 Republicans,

led by patriot Miles Taylor, aren't forming a 3rd party to win, they are forming a 3rd party to save our democracy.

[brooklynite]

43. They'll save our democracy by losing elections?

[Lettuce Be]

22. If it was 1000 I'd be more hopeful

One hundred isn't exactly a stampede but all it takes is one small pebble to break loose ...

[PortTack]

26. The news cycle is very short these days. Liz will be old news by next week if not sooner

She may indeed be positioning herself for ‘24. But with a media blitz following her? Nah!

[Loki Liesmith]

30. These people have no constituency

[msfiddlestix]

31. Nope. They still have a platform in the Media to continue on with their lunacy

Apparently, they're holding strong.

It's why I'm cutting the cord with all media. Because when the Media cannot "quit him/them", they live on, as strong as ever.

There might "rifts", there might be disputes, there might even be divisions, but at the end of the day, their love and adoration for fascists policies, and "leaders" rule the day in the Media and in Washington.

[Beetwasher.]

36. Where Do You See Them "Holding Strong"?

Congress? Nope. Presidency? Nope. Voters? Nope.

A recent NBC News poll found that 44 percent of Republicans said they support Trump more than the GOP, compared to 50 percent who said they support the GOP more than the former president.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/more-100-republican-former-officials-others-seek-reforms-threaten-new-n1267053

I'm baffled by this mindset that somehow this chaos in the GOP is of benefit to the GOP. Mindboggling.

[vanlassie]

38. Cheney probably knows a lot about what those guys have been up to

and might find it necessary to spill those beans. What fun!

[PortTack]

39. 25% is the number of voters who are now identified as qgop...an even smaller % is the cult

[msfiddlestix]

46. hmm. surprisingly low numbers considering how much damage they continue

to inflict, and the legislators all over the country marching to the TRump drum beat.