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JoanofArgh

(14,971 posts)
Wed May 12, 2021, 06:23 PM May 2021

Mysterious Ailments Are Said to Be More Widespread Among U.S. Personnel

WASHINGTON — Mysterious episodes that caused brain injuries in spies, diplomats, soldiers and other U.S. personnel overseas starting five years ago now number more than 130 people, far more than previously known, according to current and former officials.

The number of cases within the C.I.A., the State Department, the Defense Department and elsewhere spurred broad concern in the Biden administration. The initial publicly confirmed cases were concentrated in China and Cuba and numbered about 60, not including a group of injured C.I.A. officers whose total is not public.

The new total adds cases from Europe and elsewhere in Asia and reflects efforts by the administration to more thoroughly review other incidents amid concern over a spate of them in recent months.

Since December, at least three C.I.A. officers have reported serious health effects from episodes overseas. One occurred within the past two weeks, and all have required the officers to undergo outpatient treatment at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center or other facilities. And in one case in 2019 that has not previously been reported, a military officer serving overseas pulled his vehicle into an intersection, then was overcome by nausea and headaches, according to four current and former officials briefed on the events. His 2-year-old son, sitting in the back seat, began crying. After the officer pulled away from the intersection, his nausea stopped, and the child stopped crying.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/us/politics/havana-syndrome.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

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Mysterious Ailments Are Said to Be More Widespread Among U.S. Personnel (Original Post) JoanofArgh May 2021 OP
Something strange going on. SergeStorms May 2021 #1
Microwaves, they think soothsayer May 2021 #3
Thanks for the link! JoanofArgh May 2021 #4
It's fascinating -- and creepy soothsayer May 2021 #7
This is the best story on it soothsayer May 2021 #2
Long but great read, worth the time. Duppers May 2021 #10
"immaculate concussion"... stillcool May 2021 #5
Thanks for the post. Scary stuff. I'm actually surprised Trump didn't demand this be used on JoanofArgh May 2021 #6
He asked for sonic weapons. And godnoze what. soothsayer May 2021 #8
Hmmm...figures that the Russians and/or perhaps the Chinese would be up to no good. I guess wearing SWBTATTReg May 2021 #9
Should wear popcorn hats! If they start popping, you're under attack soothsayer May 2021 #11
KnR Hekate May 2021 #12

SergeStorms

(19,192 posts)
1. Something strange going on.
Wed May 12, 2021, 06:33 PM
May 2021

More than likely some sort of subsonic waves bombarding buildings, or the people in them. Or, it could be chemical or biological. Who the hell knows, but I hope they get to the bottom of it.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
7. It's fascinating -- and creepy
Wed May 12, 2021, 07:02 PM
May 2021

Whoever was behind the attacks also began going after Americans on American soil. An American diplomat and his spouse, who had been hit when they were stationed in China, traveled to Philadelphia to get specialized treatment at the University of Pennsylvania. One night in June 2018, according to three government sources, the couple was startled awake by a sound and pressure in their heads similar to what they had felt back in China. On the advice of FBI agents, the family moved to a hotel, but on their second night there, they were again awoken in the early morning hours. Terrified, the parents ran into the room where their children were sleeping to find them moving in their sleep, bizarrely and in unison. In the weeks afterward, the children developed vision and balance difficulties. The family members, whose identities GQ is not revealing for privacy reasons, declined to be interviewed for this story. “I can’t say anything about that,” says attorney Janine Brookner, who represents the family.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
10. Long but great read, worth the time.
Thu May 13, 2021, 04:06 AM
May 2021

Thanks for posting it!

When this came up yrs ago - that U.S. citizens & CIA victims in Cuba were not being believed regarding their serious symptoms and deemed hypochondriacs, my dh, a specialist in ultrasound, among other things, said he thought it could possibly be directed high-intensity ultrasonic waves that was causing their physical problems. Why would our govt dismiss this possibility? Russian & Cuban governments are known to be cruel & unscrupulous. And this is just more proof.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
5. "immaculate concussion"...
Wed May 12, 2021, 06:54 PM
May 2021
https://www.gq.com/story/cia-investigation-and-russian-microwave-attacks


The Mystery of the Immaculate Concussion
He was a senior CIA official tasked with getting tough on Russia. Then, one night in Moscow, Marc Polymeropoulos's life changed forever. He says he was hit with a mysterious weapon, joining dozens of American diplomats and spies who believe they’ve been targeted with this secret device all over the world—and even at home, on U.S. soil. Now, as a CIA investigation points the blame at Russia, the victims are left wondering why so little is being done to help them.
BY JULIA IOFFE

The neurologists at the University of Pennsylvania found that some explanations for the Havana Syndrome, including mass hysteria and group psychosis, were highly unlikely. Many of the patients didn’t know each other, their performance on these tests could not have been faked, and they did not wallow in their pain. In fact, according to the study, they were desperately trying to get better and “were largely determined to continue to work or return to full duty, even when encouraged by health care professionals to take sick leave.” The study also concluded that these injuries were likely not caused by exposure to chemicals, since no organs other than the brain were involved. Nor were they likely to have been the product of a viral infection, the doctors said, because these patients did not display associated symptoms, like a spiking fever. Still, the University of Pennsylvania researchers couldn’t explain what actually had happened to these patients. Their brain scans were basically normal, and the doctors could not fathom what could have caused this kind of brain injury, one that refused to heal. “These individuals appeared to have sustained injury to widespread brain networks without an associated history of head trauma,” the study’s authors concluded. Doctors and patients began referring to it as the “immaculate concussion"
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As the Cold War progressed, both the United States and the Soviet Union raced to find military uses for what came to be called directed energy weapons. American researchers had studied things like beaming words into subjects’ heads—great for psychological warfare—while also researching the thermal aspects of microwaves. Packaged in the right way, researchers theorized, a microwave weapon could be mounted on a truck, where it could cast a beam outward to create an invisible barrier anywhere, anytime, capable of immobilizing any person who got within its range. This research ultimately culminated in the development of a weapon the Pentagon calls an Active Denial System, or ADS. In a video touting its capabilities, the U.S. military boasts that this highly portable weapon can be attached to a military vehicle and used to direct precise beams of electromagnetic radiation at, say, an armed militant in a crowd or a suspicious person approaching a military checkpoint. The beam would instantaneously produce a sensation of heat on the skin, which would trigger a person’s reflex to flee. (This summer, a military official inquired about deploying the technology against American protesters who flooded into the streets of Washington, D.C., to protest police brutality.)

On the other side of the world, the Soviets focused on the non-thermal applications of microwave radiation. A 1976 report compiled by the Pentagon’s intelligence branch, the Defense Intelligence Agency, reviewed Soviet research on the topic. The report detailed Moscow’s investigation of the effects of microwaves on the nervous system. Soviet, and later Russian, scientists found that exposing an animal’s brain to microwaves changed the frequency at which neurons fired. Neurons also became suddenly out of sync with one another. Some brain cells in mice were found to have withered. Nerves became damaged. The radiation also showed the potential to disturb the sacrosanct blood-brain barrier and, according to the DIA, resulted in “the alterations of brain function.” The most common symptoms reported in humans who had been exposed to microwaves for long periods of time sounded familiar: headache, fatigue, perspiration, dizziness, insomnia, depression, anxiety, forgetfulness, and lack of concentration.

JoanofArgh

(14,971 posts)
6. Thanks for the post. Scary stuff. I'm actually surprised Trump didn't demand this be used on
Wed May 12, 2021, 06:58 PM
May 2021

protestors. Maybe he didn't know about it.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
8. He asked for sonic weapons. And godnoze what.
Wed May 12, 2021, 07:03 PM
May 2021

Maybe the ones that make you feel like you’re on fire.

SWBTATTReg

(22,100 posts)
9. Hmmm...figures that the Russians and/or perhaps the Chinese would be up to no good. I guess wearing
Wed May 12, 2021, 07:08 PM
May 2021

a foil hat from our childhood days would help deflect the electromagnetic waves? The foil hats would have to be perhaps folded in such a way to resonate at the same frequencies of the beamed microwave energies? In any event, couldn't substances exposed to MW energies reveal cellular structure damage from the MWs?

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
11. Should wear popcorn hats! If they start popping, you're under attack
Thu May 13, 2021, 05:07 AM
May 2021

Sounds like a better alternative than this.

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Smith’s ongoing research has offered new insights into the Havana Syndrome—if little encouraging news for those suffering from it. In 2019, Smith and his team published a follow-up study that used advanced neuroimaging and brain-connectivity studies to look at the brains of diplomats hit in Havana. This technique showed what less sophisticated imaging had missed. The patients’ brain connectivity was severely affected, especially in the cerebellum and brain networks that control auditory and visuospatial functions. Their volumes of white matter—the inner, deeper part of the brain—were significantly reduced. White matter is made up of axons, the delicate wiring of the central nervous system. According to Smith, it was the axons and their carefully arranged structure that were damaged in people suffering from the syndrome. “If the axons break, that’s it,” he told me. “They won’t reconnect. And you’re not going to grow new axons. You only have the ones you’re born with.” The brain can learn to make up for and work around some of the damage, Smith says, but that takes time and the compensatory mechanisms are often far from perfect.

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