I thought that if you called someone by a racial slur that was an act of aggrevation

[Maraya1969]

I posted a video on here from Twitter in which the guy was yelling at a young black man, "What you gonna do boy.....and then "Get up there" and the guy turned around and hit him and I was told that the black guy was instigated so he would not be in trouble.

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Well it happened here and the guy is now charged with aggravated manslaughter even after the racist guy called him a slur, (they didn't say which one) twice. I suppose a video that shows how the guy said it would matter and the fact that the guy who said it is 77 so considered elderly.


https://www.newsweek.com/elderly-man-dies-dunkin-1590650

Elderly Man Dies After Being Punched in Dunkin' Over Racial Slur Confrontation

ADunkin' employee faces a manslaughter charge after punching an elderly customer who later died. The employee become physical after the older man called him a racial slur, according to an arrest report dated May 7.

Corey Pujols, 27, was working at a Dunkin' store located in a gas station in Tampa, Florida, when the May 4 incident occurred. According to a police news release, the 77-year-old man was in his car at the drive-thru window when he allegedly became upset about the service.

Employees asked the man to leave, but he parked his car and went inside the building. This is when police say he began arguing with Pujols, who was listed in jail records as the Dunkin' store's manager, according to the police report.

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An autopsy showed the man had a skull fracture and brain contusions as a result of blunt trauma. A Hillsborough Medical Examiner's Office doctor reportedly ruled the death a homicide.

[elleng]

1. Each state handles such differently.

In some, using racial slurs might be some kind of 'assault.'

[LakeArenal]

2. I'm guessing the ACLU will have something to say about it.

Homicide? Seems harsh.

[marble falls]

7. All homicide means is someone was killed. I'd be very surprised if ACLU gets involved.

[LakeArenal]

11. I love how they always act like a 77 year old is this crumpled frail thing.

I know many over 70 men that could take a punch. Not saying this man was either one, but if you poke the bear enough times, the bear is gonna poke back.

[cinematicdiversions]

27. Homicide isn't really harsh for killing someone nt

[hedda_foil]

3. I'm sure he didn't intend to kill the man but it's definintely homicide.

The victim may have been a mean trumpist bigot but the response was out of proportion and resulted in the death of the the bigot. It's not premeditated murder. The man's death was unlikely to have been intended, but it's still homicide. The store manager had to be charged.

[Zeitghost]

8. I shouldn't need to explain...

Why allowing people to assume a person is going to become violent absent of any specific threat or action as a defense for escalating a situation through the use of violence will end up badly. The legal threshold of reasonable fear of death or great bodily injury is there for a reason and a good one at that.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

28. FL. Stand Your Ground Law has absolutely no bearing on this case,

and a judge would quickly dismiss it.

[Maraya1969]

10. That will work good in this man's defense.

[Devil Child]

14. Words don't kill, but slamming an old man's skull into concrete will.

Interesting definition of assault you have there.

[Jedi Guy]

17. So if you call me a name I don't like, I get to physically assault you?

That's some grade-school playground nonsense right there. Unless the old guy took the first swing, this guy had no business putting his hands on him, let alone hitting him hard enough to kill him. Most of us learn early on to keep our hands to ourselves. Evidently this guy didn't, and now he's liable to spend some time in the pokey as a result. I won't cry for him.

[MichMan]

20. Not just physical assault, but assault resulting in death of the victim

[MarineCombatEngineer]

21. A wrong interpretation.

You cannot physically attack someone just because they call you vile names, unless there is a clear intent of a physical attack, which wasn't present in this instance.

This manager fucked up and will now face the consequences of his actions.

Moral of this story is keep your hands to yourself unless you are physically attacked.

[Goodheart]

26. Baloney

[TheProle]

13. Thank you

For your reasoned post. Agree 100%.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

18. +100. nt

[Zeitghost]

4. You can not...

You can not reply to words with violence. Violence is only acceptable in the defense of yourself or another from the reasonable threat of physical harm.

[marble falls]

5. Don't you think the puncher broke the law, too?

[GulfCoast66]

12. Absent violence or a reasonable threat of violence in Florida you can't use violence

In reaction to a verbal insult, no matter how vile. I doubt any state allows it.

Manslaughter is the correct call here.

[RegularJam]

15. I believe in FL that will just be used as a mitigating factor at sentencing...

Or plea deal.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

16. Never throw the first punch

I believe that fighting should be punishable a lot closer to attempted murder.

You never know how far the other side will take it. And you can get killed or maimed in a 'fight'.

Words can almost never be used as an excuse. An exception might be if someone says they are going to commit a physical crime in the next few seconds. Something like that.

I frequently hear (Edited out) children using racial slurs against each other. It is very sad and I wish it would be frowned on.
I certainly wouldn't want such common talk to be something that could be used as an excuse to start deadly violence.(fighting)

[MarineCombatEngineer]

19. You cannot legally physically attack someone just because they used a racial epithet,

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this manager royally screwed the pooch and now he'll pay the price.

[Goodheart]

23. I'm probably in the minority here

but I don't believe calling somebody a racial slur should be a death sentence. I don't even consider it inciteful. I believe in free speech, and, NO, it's NOT the same as yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. Disturbing the peace? Sure. Death sentence or long-term incarceration? No.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

24. What the manager should have done is trespassed the racist

and then called the police to have him removed from the property, instead he decided to punch him, which resulted in the man's death.

Big mistake.

[Goodheart]

25. Agree

[cinematicdiversions]

29. No I think you a firmly in the majority.

Words are not violence. They are words. Trespass the moron. Really stupid waste of two lives.