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everyonematters

(3,433 posts)
Wed May 12, 2021, 11:59 PM May 2021

Ulysses S Grant quote:

“If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.”

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Ulysses S Grant quote: (Original Post) everyonematters May 2021 OP
The single most underrated American of all time... First Speaker May 2021 #1
Instructive quotation TimeToGo May 2021 #6
When he left the Presidency he was the most universally admired man grantcart May 2021 #11
Very unfortunate in the selection of friends and associates to be sure. Caliman73 May 2021 #14
Scandals by others he appointed grantcart May 2021 #16
Thanks. Now I want to read all about him. nt babylonsister May 2021 #19
I absolutely agree. His Presidency, like Lincoln's was essential. NNadir May 2021 #13
Isn't that interesting. He saw it before and BootinUp May 2021 #2
Basic human nature remains the same wnylib May 2021 #10
As others have said, it is a human condition. Caliman73 May 2021 #15
Students - centers of learning - and the free press. soldierant May 2021 #21
Problem is, trumpster rubes look at that and think they are the intelligent patriots. Hoyt May 2021 #3
Exactly. nt oasis May 2021 #7
Grant In Letter To His Father And Sister WHITT May 2021 #4
Nope, white supremacy is still America's fault line (n/t) Spider Jerusalem May 2021 #5
In the end though it comes down to intelligence vs stupidity 🤔 Raine May 2021 #9
Wow cilla4progress May 2021 #8
I never read this quotation before today. Thanks for posting it. It is certainly ... Brother Mythos May 2021 #12
WOW!!!! BobTheSubgenius May 2021 #17
Pretty much nailed that one... Picaro May 2021 #18
I like Grant as a president. Of course, being from the Ilsa May 2021 #20

TimeToGo

(1,366 posts)
6. Instructive quotation
Thu May 13, 2021, 12:44 AM
May 2021

Not sure he was a particularly good president, however. There have been worse, of course.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
11. When he left the Presidency he was the most universally admired man
Thu May 13, 2021, 02:48 AM
May 2021

On both sides of the Atlantic.

When he died his pall bearers were both Confederate and Union Generals.

While a great judge of battlefield character he was not able to make similar judgements on who to trust in business.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
14. Very unfortunate in the selection of friends and associates to be sure.
Thu May 13, 2021, 02:52 PM
May 2021

He seemed a decent man and had good intentions, but perhaps was too trusting in allowing corrupt men around the levers of power. Lots of scandals.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
16. Scandals by others he appointed
Thu May 13, 2021, 03:03 PM
May 2021

He was also a victim. As he was dying of cancer he was virtually penniless and Mark Twain offered to produce his memoirs. His autobiography became one of the biggest publishing events of the 19th century and is still considered to be one of the best autobiography by a statesman in history and provided a steady retirement fund for his wife.

wnylib

(21,448 posts)
10. Basic human nature remains the same
Thu May 13, 2021, 01:22 AM
May 2021

over the centuries and millennia. That's why today we can relate to the themes and characters of ancient literature.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
15. As others have said, it is a human condition.
Thu May 13, 2021, 02:56 PM
May 2021

In my opinion, the US has had a unique struggle, but likely most nations struggle with anti-intellectualism. There are those who believe that studying and learning about your world is one of the keys to a better life, and those who believe that there is an "intuitive sense" that we have and book learning corrupts it.

Funny thing is that whenever a dictator comes to power, they love to go after students and centers of learning first. That has to tell you something about the power of knowledge.

WHITT

(2,868 posts)
4. Grant In Letter To His Father And Sister
Thu May 13, 2021, 12:12 AM
May 2021
Whatever may have been my political opinions before, I have but one sentiment now. That is we have a Government, and laws and a flag and they must all be sustained. There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots and I want hereafter to be ranked with the latter and, I trust, the stronger party.


Raine

(30,540 posts)
9. In the end though it comes down to intelligence vs stupidity 🤔
Thu May 13, 2021, 01:20 AM
May 2021

superiority being stupid and intelligence to know that it's stupid.

Brother Mythos

(1,442 posts)
12. I never read this quotation before today. Thanks for posting it. It is certainly ...
Thu May 13, 2021, 01:03 PM
May 2021

appropriate for the times we are now living in.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
20. I like Grant as a president. Of course, being from the
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:36 PM
May 2021

south I was taught that he was irrelevant and a drunk.

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