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Thu May 13, 2021, 07:01 AM

Concise psycho social analysis...

poached from a dKos thread:

"Embarrassment, guilt, and shame, assume normal emotional responses and normal moral frameworks.

Trump’s inner circle is a narcissist/sociopath symbiosis: a powerful narcissist (Trump) surrounded by sociopaths (Miller, Manafort, Stone, etc.). They feed off each others pathologies.

McMoscow isn’t a narcissist or sociopath as far as I can observe, he’s just “merely” the pinnacle and paradigm of corruption.

Sociopaths and corrupt actors have this in common:

They have no morals.

The GOP has become the locus and epicenter of moral nihilism in America, and the “normalization” of moral nihilism.

This is actually deeply troubling to a lot of people on the Republican side of the fence, but they “go along to get along,” just as the proverbial “good Germans” did in the early Nazi era, until it was too late to get out.

If we start making serious noise about moral values, we could reach a lot of those voters and further energize a lot of our own voters."

Full thread here:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/5/12/2030181/-Lincoln-Project-Springs-Trap?utm_campaign=trending#comment_80924877


I would argue that we need to "make serious noise" about the current ABROGATION of moral values... or DISDAIN of them even. We've already been making noise about their hypocritical morals.



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druidity33 May 13 OP
Scrivener7 May 13 #1
Javaman May 13 #7
Scrivener7 May 13 #8
druidity33 May 13 #10
OldBaldy1701E May 13 #2
raging moderate May 13 #3
Hugin May 13 #4
Wounded Bear May 13 #5
keithbvadu2 May 13 #6
BobTheSubgenius May 13 #9
druidity33 May 13 #11
BobTheSubgenius May 13 #12

Response to druidity33 (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 07:28 AM

1. He's clearly a narcissist and a sociopath.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #1)

Thu May 13, 2021, 10:32 AM

7. check this out...

The Dark Triad.
(I have been posting this for the last 6 years (every now and then) ever since the orange asshole first mentioned running for president. having grown up in NYC, I knew full well of the trump family grifting empire build on bullshit and mirrors)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad#:~:text=In%20psychology%2C%20the%20dark%20triad,because%20of%20their%20malevolent%20qualities.

In psychology, the dark triad comprises the personality traits of narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy.[1][2][3][4] They are called "dark" because of their malevolent qualities.[5][1][6][7]

Research on the dark triad is used in applied psychology, especially within the fields of law enforcement, clinical psychology, and business management. People scoring high on these traits are more likely to commit crimes, cause social distress and create severe problems for an organization, especially if they are in leadership positions (for more information, see psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellianism in the workplace). They also tend to be less compassionate, agreeable, empathetic, satisfied with their lives, and less likely to believe they and others are good.[8]

All three dark triad traits are conceptually distinct although empirical evidence shows them to be overlapping. They are associated with a callous-manipulative interpersonal style.[9]

Narcissism is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy.[10]
Machiavellianism is characterized by manipulation and exploitation of others, an absence of morality, unemotional callousness, and a higher level of self interest.[11]
Psychopathy is characterized by continuous antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callous and unemotional traits (CU),[12] and remorselessness.[13]
A factor analysis found that among the big five personality traits, low agreeableness is the strongest correlate of the dark triad, while neuroticism and a lack of conscientiousness were associated with some of the dark triad members.[11] Agreeableness and the dark triad show correlated change over development.[14]

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Response to Javaman (Reply #7)

Thu May 13, 2021, 11:29 AM

8. Yes. Textbook. He so perfectly fits the diagnosis that it is silly

when people are coy about it.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #7)

Thu May 13, 2021, 02:43 PM

10. Huh, that's interesting stuff...nt.

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Response to druidity33 (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 07:51 AM

2. As I suggested in another post

Any time someone from the rethugs tries to even say words like 'moral' or 'morality', we all need to point and laugh hysterically at them.

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Response to druidity33 (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 08:48 AM

3. "White" Supremacy is a form of narcissism.

I sometimes wonder if they may eventually have mirrors surgically implanted in their palms, so they can kiss their pretty "white" faces whenever they feel like it.

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Response to raging moderate (Reply #3)

Thu May 13, 2021, 08:54 AM

4. As I've pointed out several times...

If they are so 'superior', why do they spend so much time talking about it? Shouldn't it be self-evident to onlookers.

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Response to Hugin (Reply #4)

Thu May 13, 2021, 09:34 AM

5. They use bluster and brag to cover their innate insecurities...

deep down, narcissists tend to know that nobody likes them. How they cope with that controls their outward actions.

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Response to druidity33 (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 09:52 AM

6. Trump Christians

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Response to druidity33 (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 11:35 AM

9. I can't wait to hear the howls of indignation and see the crocodile tears.

One must always keep in mind that being truthful with yourself is usually much more difficult that being truthful in a more general way. I do not see a tsunami, or even a decent-sized ripple, of changed hearts and minds from having truth pointed out to them.

However, the more committed they are to their "ideals," the less likely you are to ever reach them in a meaningful way, let along change their voting patterns. If "straight party ticket no matter what" is a pattern.

The ones that are reachable, or even potentially reachable are the ones we should hope for and (cautiously) expect. The good news is that of, say, 75M voters from the last election, getting 10M to think about it, and 5M to actually be convinced, or shamed into agreement would be a huge win and enough to create a bit of a cushion, voting-wise. 6% of 75M may not seem like a target-rich environment, but when a small sliver of the MUCH smaller undecided is what often wins the election for whichever side, even 3% is a number well worth having.

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Response to BobTheSubgenius (Reply #9)

Thu May 13, 2021, 02:47 PM

11. Agreed. And i think it makes for

an effective wedge. I just love the phrase "Moral Nihilism" as a descriptor. Though maybe Moral Vacuum might be more understandable for the folk that are never going to "get it" when you use a phrase they don't understand. Anyway, that small sliver is the target. Reaching them will demand some crafty thinking.



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Response to druidity33 (Reply #11)

Thu May 13, 2021, 10:11 PM

12. Then we both agree!

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