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Shanti Shanti Shanti

(12,047 posts)
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:13 AM May 2021

No gas! No gas! No gas! How bad is the situation in your area?

Entire FL panhandle is empty?

I was able to fill up both truck and car on Monday but now every station I see is closed, pumps bagged.

I'm retired so I wont need gas for a month at least, but its looking crazy out there!

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No gas! No gas! No gas! How bad is the situation in your area? (Original Post) Shanti Shanti Shanti May 2021 OP
The Gas Will Return. MineralMan May 2021 #1
There was really no shortage at all. Until people made a run on the gas stations. Treefrog May 2021 #2
My kids filled up two days ago Casady1 May 2021 #8
Exactly. It's just like the toilet paper shortage MineralMan May 2021 #19
The same people now have plastic bags of gas sitting on shelves next to the 1000 rolls of TP Johonny May 2021 #11
No they don't..... brooklynite May 2021 #15
And in 5 years, when a roll of toilet paper is 5 dollars, jimfields33 May 2021 #36
Yes, but how many people have 1000 rolls of TP? Two? Hortensis May 2021 #41
The gas hoarders are reselling on ebay LeftInTX May 2021 #58
:) Can see TP drawing less undesirable attention on ebay and through Hortensis May 2021 #59
For many (even most) it's not lack of intelligence... Zeitghost May 2021 #54
Yeah, well, if you need gasoline, you should buy it. MineralMan May 2021 #56
And all that gas in all those cans will sit in the garage and degrade by Labor Day hatrack May 2021 #60
These are the times that try men's souls. First toilet paper, Buns_of_Fire May 2021 #3
I saw long lines the other day. Thankfully I filled up before the hack ecstatic May 2021 #4
Stations all open here in my part of SC. GoCubsGo May 2021 #5
9 MPG patriots will tell you.... Turbineguy May 2021 #6
South Florida seems back to normal. Tommy Carcetti May 2021 #7
The pipeline reopened late yesterday ...there's no need for panic! PortTack May 2021 #9
Well it still takes days. I'm only slightly panicked soothsayer May 2021 #12
Colonial says gas will reach the markets by midday! PortTack May 2021 #20
Yeah I got all excited but then I just saw pessimistic reporting that it'll take a week or two soothsayer May 2021 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author soothsayer May 2021 #13
This side of FL gets most gasoline by BARGE, not the pipeline! Panic anyway! lol Shanti Shanti Shanti May 2021 #16
That shows why Tallahassee was hit so hard csziggy May 2021 #51
I own a 2019 Prius, near full tank of gas Johonny May 2021 #10
Winner!! soothsayer May 2021 #14
No gas problems in NYC... brooklynite May 2021 #17
Have been eating only beans since Monday. Sneederbunk May 2021 #18
Retired and filling up three cars. RegularJam May 2021 #21
It's more than just that. fescuerescue May 2021 #25
"The average person can only stockpile 3 days of gas." RegularJam May 2021 #26
link? really? fescuerescue May 2021 #27
Yes. Link to back up your claim of what I believe to be highly inaccurate. RegularJam May 2021 #28
So then. the most you can stockpile is 15 gallons fescuerescue May 2021 #29
To be fair TheRealNorth May 2021 #33
Fully agree and that is a part of my tangent. :) RegularJam May 2021 #34
I just gassed up for only the second time since 3/20. marybourg May 2021 #35
My little town keithsw May 2021 #23
Nothing within 10 miles at least (Central NC) fescuerescue May 2021 #24
Yeah I heard the Carolinas are being particularly hard hit Shanti Shanti Shanti May 2021 #38
Not around Jacksonville NC. Some lines but not bad. marie999 May 2021 #44
I don't give one "blank" about a couple of days delay in gas, BUT maxrandb May 2021 #30
Upstate N Y. Has all the gas we need. pwb May 2021 #31
No Issues Here ProfessorGAC May 2021 #32
Its a southern thing, not a good time to go RVing, and there are tons here Shanti Shanti Shanti May 2021 #37
I Saw Panic Buying... ProfessorGAC May 2021 #50
Plenty of gas and no one rushing to get gas in Maine BoringUsername May 2021 #39
I have half a tank, normally enough for more than a week dsc May 2021 #40
Headline news, "73% of Pensacola gas stations out", I-10 is draining them Shanti Shanti Shanti May 2021 #43
Tons. Zero issues. BannonsLiver May 2021 #42
Not bad in SE PA Amishman May 2021 #45
Almost empty and filled up again yesterday ibegurpard May 2021 #46
Montana? Why would it affect you? Its a major pipeline to the South East! Shanti Shanti Shanti May 2021 #49
North NJ no issue for me Betty88 May 2021 #47
Totally normal here in Brooklyn Dorian Gray May 2021 #48
Washington D.C. gas shortage reaches critical level, nearly 90% of stations OUT Shanti Shanti Shanti May 2021 #52
I drive a Prius and work from home, so... Generic Brad May 2021 #53
No problems here. Angleae May 2021 #55
Texas: No lines. No problems...Thank God!! We don't need more probs around here! LeftInTX May 2021 #57

MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
1. The Gas Will Return.
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:18 AM
May 2021

No reason for panic, especially if the tanks in your vehicles are full.

There's an actual reason for the gas shortage, but that has now been corrected, apparently, and the gas will start flowing through that pipeline again.

What has happened is the usual panic hoarding done by people who know nothing about why the gas shortage happened, and just reacted in an unintelligent way.

This, too, shall pass.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
2. There was really no shortage at all. Until people made a run on the gas stations.
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:20 AM
May 2021

Everybody buying at once made the stations run out. If they hadn’t done that, including all the hoarding activity, there would still be gas.

 

Casady1

(2,133 posts)
8. My kids filled up two days ago
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:30 AM
May 2021

just as the crunch started. One was down to 35 miles left on his car and the other maybe 70. They had to get gas as they were at the point that they would have run out.

MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
19. Exactly. It's just like the toilet paper shortage
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:03 AM
May 2021

at the beginning of the pandemic. People panic and act irrationally.

Johonny

(20,818 posts)
11. The same people now have plastic bags of gas sitting on shelves next to the 1000 rolls of TP
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:41 AM
May 2021

they bought last year.

brooklynite

(94,352 posts)
15. No they don't.....
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:47 AM
May 2021
Are People Hoarding Gas in Plastic Bags During the Shortage?

In May 2021, a ransomware attack on the Colonial Pipeline led to an interruption of gas services to the southeastern parts of the United States. This, in turn, lead to some “panic buying” as people rushed to the pumps to fill up extra containers of gasoline.

On social media, photos and videos started to circulate that supposedly showed how some people were using plastic bags to transport their surplus gasoline. One photograph supposedly showed a car trunk loaded with plastic bags filled with gasoline:

A video supposedly showed a woman filling up plastic bags at a gasoline pump

Both of these pieces of media are real, but neither relates to the May 2021 gas shortage in the southeastern United States. Both of these images are several years old, and one was taken outside of the United States.

The picture of plastic bags filled with gasoline in the trunk of a car comes from a March 2019 incident in which two men attempted to steal gasoline from a gas station in Huauchinango, a city located north of the state of Puebla in central Mexico.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hoarding-gas-plastic-bags/

jimfields33

(15,693 posts)
36. And in 5 years, when a roll of toilet paper is 5 dollars,
Thu May 13, 2021, 12:01 PM
May 2021

They will still have their dollar a roll. Big savings.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. Yes, but how many people have 1000 rolls of TP? Two?
Thu May 13, 2021, 12:55 PM
May 2021


Out of a couple hundred million households? At that, it'll be more than keep gasoline in bags.

These stories give people very warped views. For perspective, we normally buy one large pack of 36 rolls, and that lasts us most of a year, though I understand we could get 48. Yes, we're selfish, panicking "hoarders," albeit 100% of the time.

Zeitghost

(3,846 posts)
54. For many (even most) it's not lack of intelligence...
Sat May 15, 2021, 09:00 PM
May 2021

It's game theory. Even if you know it's irrational, you'll get left out if you don't participate. It's nice to be rational and logical, but if you need to get to work by car Monday you're gonna need gas and if there is a panic buy going on, you'll need to join in. I initially passed on the TP buying craze. I had a month or two worth at home and didn't want to join the stampeding herd. But after a few weeks, I didn't really have a choice and when I did find it, I bought more than I usually would, both to fill my now depleted supply and because I didn't know how long the shortage would last.

MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
56. Yeah, well, if you need gasoline, you should buy it.
Sun May 16, 2021, 09:42 AM
May 2021

However, that doesn't account for the people who brought multiple 5-gallon gas cans to the gas station, some of which they bought just before going there.

Buying what you need makes sense. Hoarding does not, in any way, and adds to the stress of the situation. Clearly, that gas shortage was not going to be a long-term thing. It was caused by a computer hack. The system is back on line now, and the fuel is flowing again.

Intelligent, thoughtful people do not make irrational decisions like hoarding. The two things are not compatible with each other at all.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,157 posts)
3. These are the times that try men's souls. First toilet paper,
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:25 AM
May 2021

then gas, and now Chick-Fil-A sauce. It's the End Times, I tell ya!

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
5. Stations all open here in my part of SC.
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:28 AM
May 2021

Only the Kroger had lines, but they usually do. Prices up only ten cents/gal. since Sunday when I tanked up which I had to do anyway.

Tommy Carcetti

(43,153 posts)
7. South Florida seems back to normal.
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:29 AM
May 2021

There were some moderately long lines yesterday at the Wawa (the cheap station). Long, but not quite type the lines that you see before hurricanes.

I had to fill up but decided to go down the road to the Shell that has prices about 30 cents above Wawa. No line there.

Today the Wawa seems like any other day.

Hopefully enough people here got the word that South Florida isn't serviced by the Colonial Pipeline so there won't be any actual supply disruptions.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
12. Well it still takes days. I'm only slightly panicked
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:41 AM
May 2021

I didn’t top off Wednesday morning (or was it Tuesday?) as I’d thought about doing, now I gotta ride it out. Ah well.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
22. Yeah I got all excited but then I just saw pessimistic reporting that it'll take a week or two
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:14 AM
May 2021

For places to recover.

I hope they’re wrong and you’re right!

Response to PortTack (Reply #9)

 

Shanti Shanti Shanti

(12,047 posts)
16. This side of FL gets most gasoline by BARGE, not the pipeline! Panic anyway! lol
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:48 AM
May 2021
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csziggy

(34,131 posts)
51. That shows why Tallahassee was hit so hard
Thu May 13, 2021, 04:10 PM
May 2021

Even so, unless people had an urgent need to do a lot of driving - such as truckers or delivery people - I see no reason for the panic buying.

It just so happened that I filled my car up (for the first time in four months, LOL) last week. Our truck could use a fill up but since we don't need to use it right now, I'll wait until everything settles out. MY husband does the most driving, but his Prius can wait for a fill up until next week.

Now to fill up our propane tanks for the generators to be ready for hurricane season.

 

RegularJam

(914 posts)
21. Retired and filling up three cars.
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:13 AM
May 2021

That’s the panic problem.

An overwhelming majority of FL is just fine. No shortage here in west central Florida. Very little of FL has anything to do with the pipeline that is now up and going.

No one on the left should be aiding the panic outside of those needed to sustain through it. It’s the absolute perfect time to do nothing but put forward a message of energy security and infrastructure. If it makes the right feel more comfortable, call it protectionism.

Too many good natured people are going to pay a price for the panic.

While it might sound like I’m being a bit of a jerk I do understand it. Emotion overtakes logic during extended durations of crisis and stress. My heart does go out to those panicking. I don’t minimize that very personal aspect.

BTW, great job by a lot of people opening up public transit for free during this.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
25. It's more than just that.
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:23 AM
May 2021

The pipelines were running at full capacity and we just lost half of it.

The average person can only stockpile 3 days of gas. We are 4 days into the shortage.

 

RegularJam

(914 posts)
26. "The average person can only stockpile 3 days of gas."
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:26 AM
May 2021

Link.

I'm going to assume such a statement omits the largest tank in the possession of most Americans. That would make it a point without distinction.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
27. link? really?
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:28 AM
May 2021

Look in your car owners manual.

I bet your tank is only 15 gallons.

But if you need proof that most Americans do not have a tanker in their backyard. well gosh.. I guess you got me!

 

RegularJam

(914 posts)
28. Yes. Link to back up your claim of what I believe to be highly inaccurate.
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:33 AM
May 2021

Using average fuel economy that 15 gallons will get you 375 miles. The average American drives under thirty miles per day.

"But if you need proof that most Americans do not have a tanker in their backyard. well gosh.. I guess you got me!"

I never asked for proof of any such thing. Period. You seem to be struggling.

I simply asked you to back up your claim which seems to defy logic. You are clearly refusing to do so.

TheRealNorth

(9,470 posts)
33. To be fair
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:46 AM
May 2021

If you are driving a gas-gussler and driving 80 miles a day (let's say you have a long commute), you might run out in 3-4 days from a full tank. If you have a job that makes you drive a lot ( think Uber or delivery drivers), it can be a problem.

 

RegularJam

(914 posts)
34. Fully agree and that is a part of my tangent. :)
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:52 AM
May 2021

Logic should rule the day. A retired person should not be running out to fill up their three cars. We should be responsible enough to self prioritize for those who truly need it, including those who drive gas guzzlers for work. I'm not discounting them in any way.

I will add that the "facts" the other poster dropped are anything but actual facts. They are completely made up and hold zero weight.

Again, I agree with every word you wrote and that is a cornerstone to my argument. People in need are going to pay a price for the panic.

keithsw

(436 posts)
23. My little town
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:22 AM
May 2021

In Western North Carolina has 4 gas stations. All 4 were completely out yesterday. Today one of them has Premium only and the line has 30 cars in it. I just drove by

maxrandb

(15,296 posts)
30. I don't give one "blank" about a couple of days delay in gas, BUT
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:41 AM
May 2021

I do care that the Retrumplican Party is cheering this attack and planning to use it against President Biden.

That's right folks...Russian hackers ATTACKED the United States of America, and if you caught 1 minute of Hate Radio or Faux News yesterday, they were absolutely giddy.

It's time to stop treating them like a normal opposition party, and start treating them like a terrorist organization.

They were unable to control their glee over a Russian attack on the United States.

pwb

(11,246 posts)
31. Upstate N Y. Has all the gas we need.
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:42 AM
May 2021

Just got home and no lines or gas station closings. We have refineries up here too.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
50. I Saw Panic Buying...
Thu May 13, 2021, 03:11 PM
May 2021

...in VA & NJ, too. Dumb.
I don't understand how companies this big can't spend the $ on a closed network that never touches the internet.
The control systems at the manufacturing sites where I worked (& visited) all had their controls network fully independent of the business network.
Some noncritical pieces were fire walled into a gateway that allowed engineers to troubleshoot from home.
But, critical processes were only accessible from 1 or 2 computers in the controls office. Those pieces never touched the main network nor the internet.
Seems giant petro companies could afford this level of protection.
Then, the RV folks wouldn't be worried.

BoringUsername

(142 posts)
39. Plenty of gas and no one rushing to get gas in Maine
Thu May 13, 2021, 12:31 PM
May 2021

Gas stations are operating like normal around here. I got half tank this morning.

dsc

(52,152 posts)
40. I have half a tank, normally enough for more than a week
Thu May 13, 2021, 12:34 PM
May 2021

but I want to go Durham on Saturday, I can get there but not back. I hope to get gas today or tomorrow.

Amishman

(5,554 posts)
45. Not bad in SE PA
Thu May 13, 2021, 02:57 PM
May 2021

Not worried; I topped up the 30 gallon gas caddy and the 30 gallon diesel caddy in the garage.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
46. Almost empty and filled up again yesterday
Thu May 13, 2021, 03:03 PM
May 2021

In Montana. No issues. It's gotten more expensive but my car takes about 9 gallons to fill. About 25 dollars. Should last me a month or so. I don't drive a lot.

Dorian Gray

(13,479 posts)
48. Totally normal here in Brooklyn
Thu May 13, 2021, 03:08 PM
May 2021

gas is more expensive than it was a week ago, but I filled up about an hour ago, and all the gas stations here are open and selling gas.

 

Shanti Shanti Shanti

(12,047 posts)
52. Washington D.C. gas shortage reaches critical level, nearly 90% of stations OUT
Sat May 15, 2021, 09:54 AM
May 2021

The majority of gas stations in the United States capital Washington D.C. have now run out of fuel

This was despite Georgia-based Colonial Pipeline saying on Thursday that it was making "substantial progress" in restoring operations.

Gasoline deliveries were being made in all of its markets but it would take "several days" to return to normal, Colonial stated.

https://www.dw.com/en/washington-dc-gas-shortage-reaches-critical-level/a-57539855

Generic Brad

(14,272 posts)
53. I drive a Prius and work from home, so...
Sat May 15, 2021, 10:10 AM
May 2021

..I am basically unaffected. I'l buy gas in two weeks after the price comes back down a bit.

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