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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen I see the combined country of Israelistine, I will believe peace is possible.
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Until then, the killing will never stop. There will be conflict until both sides learn to share. Any parent knows this. Why can't adults on both sides figure this out?
TheRealNorth
(9,474 posts)abqtommy
(14,118 posts)rampartc
(5,400 posts)american evangelicals will not allow peace until the temple is rebuilt.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)And we can't get along. If I had the wherewithal I would have moved during his regime.
WarGamer
(12,425 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Don't think for a moment they wouldn't do us harm if they could.
WarGamer
(12,425 posts)IMHO, we're Yugoslavia except the bullets and rockets haven't been fired yet.
The countries that once made up Yugoslavia are now happy and peaceful independent States because they don't have to abide by the other sides rules.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I also wish we didn't have to share a country with them
WarGamer
(12,425 posts)And an organized division of the assets, debts and military.
One submarine for you, one for me... 10 F35's for you, 10 for me...
stuff like that.
Dividing landmass will be more difficult.
Landmass is heavily RED.
I can see 2 countries that look like this:
A solid Blue West Coast with a 50 mile wide easement running East to Minnesota, connecting the States to the NorthEast with a new "Mason Dixon Line" South of Fairfax Co VA.
It would be difficult because each country would NEED:
Ports
Land for Agriculture
Elbow Room
Infrastructure
Weather
And since most States have GOP control, the GOP Country is likely to be physically larger
phylny
(8,377 posts)Plenty of Biden voters south of Fairfax County.
WarGamer
(12,425 posts)But whenever I drive South, which I've done frequently during my stay here... once I get South of maybe... Stafford and Culpeper I see a big difference. Still see Trump flags and Police Lives Matter bumper stickers.
Sure, gets blue again around Richmond but Richmond is an island.
Champp
(2,114 posts)Xolodno
(6,390 posts)If we want to get technical, the Palestinian - Israel conflict is a civil war that's been going on probably since 66 C.E.
Rome went through five emperors in five years which enabled the Kingdom of Judah to revolt and throw off Roman imperial control (ironically, it was about taxes). However, that left a bit of a vacuum and there were three different political groups vying and killing each other for control. Basically a fucking mess.
When Vespasian finally took control of the empire, he sent Titus to pacify Judah. I won't go into specifics, but ultimately Titus was forced to wipe out those fighting them and expel everyone in the city and surrounding areas, and this happened at the time of Passover when there was a large transit population in Jerusalem and surrounding areas.
And here is the myth, not everyone who was Jewish was expelled. Communities further away were spared. And note, I said "Judah", which is a territory which is about a third what Israel is today. In the north, which used to comprise the Kingdom of Israel, still held their communities. There has always been people who were of Jewish descent in that area, despite the false information we get.
However, there was one major change. The vast majority who were Jewish, converted to Islam. There are Ottoman Empire records confirming this. And why not? They do have a few similar beliefs...and Muslims were protecting them from those brutal and blood thirsty Christians. But wait! There's more!
DNA tests have shown that Palestinians and Jewish Israeli's are brothers, nor was it a surprise when it was discovered. Those who studied last name origins on both sides already knew it. But tell the average Palestinian or Israeli this, you might wake up in the hospital. Both like to claim that Palestinians are Canaanites, only problem with that, genetic evidence show they migrated north and compose what is the present day nation of Lebanon.
For me, Palestinian or Jew...no difference, just religion. And as someone who descends from an almost mythical group, people who ask me, "Will you ever visit Jerusalem". Me; "Why would I want to go to that pile of ruble where blood has been spilt everywhere".
WarGamer
(12,425 posts)Can't stand it when people think "History" extends back maybe 80 years.
former9thward
(31,963 posts)I have been there several times and it is a beautiful city and of course rich in history. And no, I am not Jewish or an Evangelical. I just love history.
Mr.Bill
(24,263 posts)The headline says: "UN Backs Arab Peace Plan 80-0. Hope for New Era of Peace IN the Middle East"
It's from 1958.
OnDoutside
(19,949 posts)Until that happens the slaughter will continue.
Omaha Steve
(99,562 posts)This can be posted in I/P: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1134
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