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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAt some point soon, free hospital treatment of COVID-19 for the unvaccinated should end.
If you forgo the vaccination and contract a severe case requiring hospitalization, then you should have to pay for your treatment just like a smoker pays for treatment from illnesses resulting from smoking cigarettes.
If you have been vaccinated and contract a severe case requiring hospitalization, then you should not have to pay for treatment, or the government should reimburse you or your insurance company.
Getting vaccinated should be a requirement by your health insurance company or you don't get coverage.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)One change though...you dont get coverage for any SARS-CoV-2 related illness if you are unvaccinated AND cannot present medical documentation for exemption from the vaccine.
People who are allergic or have a medical reason for not being able to take should not be penalized. The rest of us are getting vaccinated to protect these folks.
RockRaven
(14,958 posts)Apparently you do not have any of those conditions/statuses, or you might have at least acknowledged that exception.
Yavin4
(35,432 posts)But that is a very small number of people.
RockRaven
(14,958 posts)those people in terms of safety or efficacy. The official rec is "discuss w/ your doctor" which is a transparent punt.
When discussing a public policy which will ruin people financially -- and specifically a group which is already financially burdened and marginalized -- three percent is not nearly "very small" enough, imo.
Yavin4
(35,432 posts)If you are immunocompromised and you have proof, then your treatment would be covered by the government. Problem solved.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Would have to tinker with the pre-existing conditions ban.
I'm sure the Republicans would love for us to open up debate on that.
My opinion? Let thee health insurance companies worry about protecting their profit. We dont need to do it for them.
Yavin4
(35,432 posts)This should end for those who refuse vaccinations.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)And you want to end it?
Why not lobby to expand it to everything instead?
I mean IM sure this won't go further than this thread, but I kindly suggest that maybe that's the opposite approach from what we have been working on for years now.
Yavin4
(35,432 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Don't say that to loud. The opponents had hard enough time being forced to buy insurance.
I can only imagine the pushback on that notion.
WA-03 Democrat
(3,039 posts)With 50% blood oxygen level and they didnt have the vaccine...you let them stay in the street and die?
Sorry, I would help them. I dont like what they did but I not going to play death punishment.
Yavin4
(35,432 posts)having a heart attack is charged for their treatment. No government paid treatment for the unvaccinated.
You took the risk of being unvaccinated. You pay for your COVID-19 treatment.
WA-03 Democrat
(3,039 posts)Fair play. I took the meaning of free of costs to the system. It sounds like a good plan and the window cannot be open forever.
JohnSJ
(92,116 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)to punish obese, substance abusers, those who cant afford to eat a balanced diet, etc.?
I know good Democrats who are hesitant about vaccine. Shocked me.
Yavin4
(35,432 posts)Or did that change? I didn't know that the obese got govt paid for medical treatment.
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)Unhealthy behavior, such as refusing vaccines or to quit smoking or to lose weight, should expose the patient to have a reduction in insurance overage or lose it altogether. It would create incentive for patients to behave in such a manner to maintain coverage. And, it would reduce preiu,s for those who take care of themselves.
I'm talking about penalizing unhealthy BEHAVIOURS, not genetic issues and others which are out of the control of the patient.
I'm a little overweight with HBP, so I'd be subject to my own proposal.
Yavin4
(35,432 posts)If you are in either group, you're more likely to need medical care and in some cases emergency medical care. And any time you get medical care in our healthcare system, you will pay a steep price regardless of whether you have private insurance, Medicaid, or Medicare.
The unvaccinated COVID patient who puts other people at risk can count on free COVID treatment if they get sick. Give everyone until the end of the year and then cut them off if they haven't gotten the vaccine.
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)It would provide a good incentive.
OhioChick
(23,218 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)And smokers insurance pays for their treatment. They may pay higher rates, but insurance pays.
Sounds like a republican idea to me. Not a liberal idea at all.
Most liberals I know consider healthcare a right. We dont put lifestyle decisions on that right.
Yavin4
(35,432 posts)TriStar, like most major health systems, participates in a program through the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services in which uninsured patients with COVID-19 have their bills covered. It was set up through the pandemic relief legislation known as the CARES Act.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/22/925942412/hospital-bills-for-uninsured-covid-19-patients-are-covered-but-no-one-tells-them
We charge obese people for their medical treatment. We charge smokers extra sales taxes on cigarettes and charge them for their medical treatment.
Hekate
(90,633 posts)...COVID hospitalization was free? For everyone? Forever?
I googled is covid hospitalization free? and came up with this from last November
https://www.nextavenue.org/the-sky-high-cost-of-some-covid-19-hospital-bills/
>You may have heard that a law Congress passed this spring (The Families First Coronavirus Response Act) said health insurers would cover the cost of COVID-19 testing. But the law didn't include the cost of coronavirus treatment. (More)
>
Theres plenty of other articles. I then googled how much does covid treatment cost?
This came up
>In July, the report showed nationally the median charge amount for COVID-19 inpatient care for people without insurance or who went out of network was $45,683 for people aged 51 to 60 and $34,662 for those in the 23 to 30 age bracket. Nov 5, 2020.
> Average cost of hospital care for COVID-19 ranges from ...https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com news average...
You can certainly do a more refined search than the quick one I just did.
Insurance companies may have done some grace periods, but live or die, hospitalization seems to average out about $30,000, and thats for people who dont stay in on a vent for months. Long-haulers have to deal with medications and treatments from their homes.
Over a year ago I wondered if we would see hospitals going bankrupt, or if real reform would finally be imposed on Blue Cross and the rest of the for-profit industry. None of our American system is really sustainable and thats all without excluding smokers, drinkers, and non-vaxxers. Oh and gay men who might get AIDS remember when that was a thing?
If we start allowing people to be excluded from medical care for being non-compliant with a perfect health regimen, we will be stepping into a system even more inhumane than the one we already had before the pandemic. Ive been in on discussions over whether the undocumented workers in my county should be getting our medical care for contagious diseases like TB or non-contagious conditions like childbirth. First, they are openly recruited by farmers, even if they dont have papers. Second, they are producing the food you and I eat. Third, WTF? I mean, WTAF?
So no medical care is or should be in a category all its own. People get treated for medical conditions, regardless. We dont get to call ourselves ethical or moral human beings if we knowingly let people suffer and die for being poor or for being flawed human beings.
Yavin4
(35,432 posts)If you are uninsured and receive COVID-19-related testing, and/or treatment, or vaccine administration services, your provider may have submitted a claim to the Health Resources & Services Administration (HRSA) for reimbursement of these services. Providers who participate in and are reimbursed from the HRSA COVID-19 Uninsured Program are not allowed to "balance bill" individuals who do not have health care coverage (uninsured), and in this case you should not have been billed.
https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/cares-act-provider-relief-fund/for-patients/index.html
Once again, smokers pay excess sales taxes on cigarettes in addition to their medical treatment. Also, just like smokers, the anti-vaxxers' life style choice puts other people at risk by unnecessarily burdening our health care system.
Hekate
(90,633 posts)marie999
(3,334 posts)Second, what you want to do is so totally wrong it should not have been posted on DU. The vast majority of members of DU are for universal healthcare.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)get free treatment simply isn't true. People have been left with thousands of dollars owed for such treatment.
Yavin4
(35,432 posts)The uninsured are covered by the CARES act.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,316 posts)RegularJam
(914 posts)Response to Yavin4 (Original post)
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Yavin4
(35,432 posts)Why should the unvaccinated COVID patient be any different? I'm not saying do not treat the patient. I'm just saying treat the patient as you would any other patient.