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Yavin4

(35,432 posts)
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:20 PM May 2021

At some point soon, free hospital treatment of COVID-19 for the unvaccinated should end.

If you forgo the vaccination and contract a severe case requiring hospitalization, then you should have to pay for your treatment just like a smoker pays for treatment from illnesses resulting from smoking cigarettes.

If you have been vaccinated and contract a severe case requiring hospitalization, then you should not have to pay for treatment, or the government should reimburse you or your insurance company.

Getting vaccinated should be a requirement by your health insurance company or you don't get coverage.

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At some point soon, free hospital treatment of COVID-19 for the unvaccinated should end. (Original Post) Yavin4 May 2021 OP
+1...but... roamer65 May 2021 #1
There are a lot of people who cannot take the vaccine even though they would otherwise wish to... RockRaven May 2021 #2
We can make exceptions for the very few that cannot take the vaccine for other medical reasons. Yavin4 May 2021 #6
2.7% of US adults are immunocompromised and at the moment there is not sufficient data for RockRaven May 2021 #12
As I said, there will be exceptions to the rule. Yavin4 May 2021 #13
That would require a law change to ACA fescuerescue May 2021 #3
Right now. The government pays for treatment of COVID for the uninsured. Yavin4 May 2021 #4
wait. so we have universal coverage for Covid19? fescuerescue May 2021 #5
If we had universal coverage, that would force everyone to get the vaccine. n/t Yavin4 May 2021 #7
You think? fescuerescue May 2021 #8
So someone shows up in the ER WA-03 Democrat May 2021 #9
No. They would be charged for their treatment just like a smoker showing up in the ER Yavin4 May 2021 #10
Okay - got it WA-03 Democrat May 2021 #18
Nope. Raising insurance premiums for those where the vaccine isn't contradicted JohnSJ May 2021 #11
I don't know about that, but understand the sentiment. Are we going Hoyt May 2021 #14
The obese pay for their medical treatment with their health insurance. Yavin4 May 2021 #15
You can lose your car insurance with multiple tickets are traffic accidents... VarryOn May 2021 #16
There already are financial disincentives for the obese and the smoker Yavin4 May 2021 #17
I like that...giving a deadline a few months out.... VarryOn May 2021 #19
I agree with you 1000% n/t OhioChick May 2021 #20
First, I've never heard of Free Hospital care. Must be new. GulfCoast66 May 2021 #21
Not new. It's called the Cares Act. Yavin4 May 2021 #23
Fine, I can tell you are really into draconian punishment. However, where did you get the idea that Hekate May 2021 #22
The CARES Act for the uninsured. Yavin4 May 2021 #24
Thank gods for the CARES Act then, and let's hope it holds Hekate May 2021 #25
First, the FDA has not approved any of the vaccines yet. marie999 May 2021 #26
Covid treatment isn't free...the Vaccine is free...but the idea that if you get Covid...you will Demsrule86 May 2021 #27
Those people were not well informed. Yavin4 May 2021 #32
WTAF. WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #28
It will soon be treated like many other illnesses, monetarily. nt RegularJam May 2021 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst May 2021 #30
The gunshot, obesity, and cancer patient victims are all charged fees by the hospital. Yavin4 May 2021 #31

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
1. +1...but...
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:22 PM
May 2021

One change though...you don’t get coverage for any SARS-CoV-2 related illness if you are unvaccinated AND cannot present medical documentation for exemption from the vaccine.

People who are allergic or have a medical reason for not being able to take should not be penalized. The rest of us are getting vaccinated to protect these folks.

RockRaven

(14,958 posts)
2. There are a lot of people who cannot take the vaccine even though they would otherwise wish to...
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:23 PM
May 2021

Apparently you do not have any of those conditions/statuses, or you might have at least acknowledged that exception.

Yavin4

(35,432 posts)
6. We can make exceptions for the very few that cannot take the vaccine for other medical reasons.
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:29 PM
May 2021

But that is a very small number of people.

RockRaven

(14,958 posts)
12. 2.7% of US adults are immunocompromised and at the moment there is not sufficient data for
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:44 PM
May 2021

those people in terms of safety or efficacy. The official rec is "discuss w/ your doctor" which is a transparent punt.

When discussing a public policy which will ruin people financially -- and specifically a group which is already financially burdened and marginalized -- three percent is not nearly "very small" enough, imo.

Yavin4

(35,432 posts)
13. As I said, there will be exceptions to the rule.
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:47 PM
May 2021

If you are immunocompromised and you have proof, then your treatment would be covered by the government. Problem solved.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
3. That would require a law change to ACA
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:24 PM
May 2021

Would have to tinker with the pre-existing conditions ban.

I'm sure the Republicans would love for us to open up debate on that.

My opinion? Let thee health insurance companies worry about protecting their profit. We dont need to do it for them.

Yavin4

(35,432 posts)
4. Right now. The government pays for treatment of COVID for the uninsured.
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:27 PM
May 2021

This should end for those who refuse vaccinations.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
5. wait. so we have universal coverage for Covid19?
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:29 PM
May 2021

And you want to end it?

Why not lobby to expand it to everything instead?

I mean IM sure this won't go further than this thread, but I kindly suggest that maybe that's the opposite approach from what we have been working on for years now.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
8. You think?
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:34 PM
May 2021

Don't say that to loud. The opponents had hard enough time being forced to buy insurance.

I can only imagine the pushback on that notion.

WA-03 Democrat

(3,039 posts)
9. So someone shows up in the ER
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:34 PM
May 2021

With 50% blood oxygen level and they didn’t have the vaccine...you let them stay in the street and die?

Sorry, I would help them. I don’t like what they did but I not going to play death punishment.

Yavin4

(35,432 posts)
10. No. They would be charged for their treatment just like a smoker showing up in the ER
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:37 PM
May 2021

having a heart attack is charged for their treatment. No government paid treatment for the unvaccinated.

You took the risk of being unvaccinated. You pay for your COVID-19 treatment.

WA-03 Democrat

(3,039 posts)
18. Okay - got it
Fri May 14, 2021, 12:38 AM
May 2021

Fair play. I took the meaning of “free” of costs to the system. It sounds like a good plan and the window cannot be open forever.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
14. I don't know about that, but understand the sentiment. Are we going
Fri May 14, 2021, 12:04 AM
May 2021

to punish obese, substance abusers, those who can’t afford to eat a balanced diet, etc.?

I know good Democrats who are hesitant about vaccine. Shocked me.

Yavin4

(35,432 posts)
15. The obese pay for their medical treatment with their health insurance.
Fri May 14, 2021, 12:06 AM
May 2021

Or did that change? I didn't know that the obese got govt paid for medical treatment.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
16. You can lose your car insurance with multiple tickets are traffic accidents...
Fri May 14, 2021, 12:21 AM
May 2021

Unhealthy behavior, such as refusing vaccines or to quit smoking or to lose weight, should expose the patient to have a reduction in insurance overage or lose it altogether. It would create incentive for patients to behave in such a manner to maintain coverage. And, it would reduce preiu,s for those who take care of themselves.

I'm talking about penalizing unhealthy BEHAVIOURS, not genetic issues and others which are out of the control of the patient.

I'm a little overweight with HBP, so I'd be subject to my own proposal.

Yavin4

(35,432 posts)
17. There already are financial disincentives for the obese and the smoker
Fri May 14, 2021, 12:27 AM
May 2021

If you are in either group, you're more likely to need medical care and in some cases emergency medical care. And any time you get medical care in our healthcare system, you will pay a steep price regardless of whether you have private insurance, Medicaid, or Medicare.

The unvaccinated COVID patient who puts other people at risk can count on free COVID treatment if they get sick. Give everyone until the end of the year and then cut them off if they haven't gotten the vaccine.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
21. First, I've never heard of Free Hospital care. Must be new.
Fri May 14, 2021, 01:02 AM
May 2021

And smoker’s insurance pays for their treatment. They may pay higher rates, but insurance pays.

Sounds like a republican idea to me. Not a liberal idea at all.

Most liberals I know consider healthcare a right. We don’t put lifestyle decisions on that right.

Yavin4

(35,432 posts)
23. Not new. It's called the Cares Act.
Fri May 14, 2021, 01:11 AM
May 2021
TriStar, like most major health systems, participates in a program through the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services in which uninsured patients with COVID-19 have their bills covered. It was set up through the pandemic relief legislation known as the CARES Act.


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/22/925942412/hospital-bills-for-uninsured-covid-19-patients-are-covered-but-no-one-tells-them


We charge obese people for their medical treatment. We charge smokers extra sales taxes on cigarettes and charge them for their medical treatment.

Hekate

(90,633 posts)
22. Fine, I can tell you are really into draconian punishment. However, where did you get the idea that
Fri May 14, 2021, 01:10 AM
May 2021

...COVID hospitalization was free? For everyone? Forever?

I googled “is covid hospitalization free?” and came up with this from last November
https://www.nextavenue.org/the-sky-high-cost-of-some-covid-19-hospital-bills/
>You may have heard that a law Congress passed this spring (The Families First Coronavirus Response Act) said health insurers would cover the cost of COVID-19 testing. But the law didn't include the cost of coronavirus treatment. (More)
>

There’s plenty of other articles. I then googled “how much does covid treatment cost?”
This came up
>In July, the report showed nationally the median charge amount for COVID-19 inpatient care – for people without insurance or who went out of network – was $45,683 for people aged 51 to 60 and $34,662 for those in the 23 to 30 age bracket. Nov 5, 2020.
> Average cost of hospital care for COVID-19 ranges from ...https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com › news › average...

You can certainly do a more refined search than the quick one I just did.

Insurance companies may have done some grace periods, but live or die, hospitalization seems to average out about $30,000, and that’s for people who don’t stay in on a vent for months. Long-haulers have to deal with medications and treatments from their homes.

Over a year ago I wondered if we would see hospitals going bankrupt, or if real reform would finally be imposed on Blue Cross and the rest of the for-profit industry. None of our American system is really sustainable — and that’s all without excluding smokers, drinkers, and non-vaxxers. Oh and gay men who might get AIDS — remember when that was a thing?

If we start allowing people to be excluded from medical care for being non-compliant with a perfect health regimen, we will be stepping into a system even more inhumane than the one we already had before the pandemic. I’ve been in on discussions over whether the undocumented workers in my county should be getting “our” medical care for contagious diseases like TB or non-contagious conditions like childbirth. First, they are openly recruited by farmers, even if they don’t have papers. Second, they are producing the food you and I eat. Third, — WTF? I mean, WTAF?

So no — medical care is or should be in a category all its own. People get treated for medical conditions, regardless. We don’t get to call ourselves ethical or moral human beings if we knowingly let people suffer and die for being poor or for being flawed human beings.


Yavin4

(35,432 posts)
24. The CARES Act for the uninsured.
Fri May 14, 2021, 01:19 AM
May 2021
If you do not have insurance
If you are uninsured and receive COVID-19-related testing, and/or treatment, or vaccine administration services, your provider may have submitted a claim to the Health Resources & Services Administration (HRSA) for reimbursement of these services. Providers who participate in and are reimbursed from the HRSA COVID-19 Uninsured Program are not allowed to "balance bill" individuals who do not have health care coverage (uninsured), and in this case you should not have been billed.


https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/cares-act-provider-relief-fund/for-patients/index.html

Once again, smokers pay excess sales taxes on cigarettes in addition to their medical treatment. Also, just like smokers, the anti-vaxxers' life style choice puts other people at risk by unnecessarily burdening our health care system.


 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
26. First, the FDA has not approved any of the vaccines yet.
Fri May 14, 2021, 06:15 AM
May 2021

Second, what you want to do is so totally wrong it should not have been posted on DU. The vast majority of members of DU are for universal healthcare.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
27. Covid treatment isn't free...the Vaccine is free...but the idea that if you get Covid...you will
Fri May 14, 2021, 08:36 AM
May 2021

get free treatment simply isn't true. People have been left with thousands of dollars owed for such treatment.

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Yavin4

(35,432 posts)
31. The gunshot, obesity, and cancer patient victims are all charged fees by the hospital.
Fri May 14, 2021, 10:49 AM
May 2021

Why should the unvaccinated COVID patient be any different? I'm not saying do not treat the patient. I'm just saying treat the patient as you would any other patient.

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