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I tend to think so. People have trouble remembering stuff, and people who are more or less brainless have even more trouble with that. Trump has lost his social media presence. Some of the January 6 insurrectionists are publicly condemning him for "abandoning" them.
He has announced that he will begin holding rallies again, beginning with one at his NJ golf club. How many will show up for his new rallies? Not many, I suspect. In fact, that Bedminster rally will probably not attract a huge crowd at all.
He is becoming irrelevant, or has already become so in most people's minds. Even those who support his racist, nativist ideas are no longer counting on him to champion their worthless causes, I think.
I believe that Trump is finished, politically. His support will not help the most extreme of politicians who will seek re-election in 2022 and beyond. All of them are vulnerable in their next elections, and campaigns by opponents will use their stupid loyalty to Trump as a primary campaign issue.
And then there is the strong possibility that he will be indicted for federal crimes, along with many of those he hired and appointed. Many of that second group will plead out of their situations and testify against Trump, who has not backed them up.
Could I be wrong? Of course I could, but that's my assessment of his future ability to influence enough people to make a difference. I think he has lost almost all of his momentum, with the rest of it circling the drain.
JohnSJ
(92,061 posts)MineralMan
(146,255 posts)acg
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DISPLACED HONOR
By Al Garcia
When I was growing up, one of the first things I was taught by my parents, was to be honest, trustworthy, truthful and respectful of others. And from childhood through my youth and into adulthood, I lived by those edicts.
As I child I learned to stay away from bullies and toughs who sought to intimidate and harass me because of my age or stature, through words or even physical taunts. I chose my friends and acquaintances even as a child, carefully and wisely.
As I got older and a bit more sophisticated, and as I became aware of the social strata of high school life, I also became more cognizant and sensitive of those around me. By that age, personality traits and behaviors have started to set in. And once again, I chose my friends and my acquaintances carefully. Already cliques and gangs and bands and packs of girls and boys my age had been formed and well established. There were the whites, the Mexicans, the mixes, the cheerleaders, the jocks, the nerds, and those that just didnt fit anywhere. We each went into our respective groups, avoiding the intimidate, harassment or even bullying of others not of our ilk. And again, many of us looked back to our upbringing and our nurturing to help us decide who to befriend and who to avoid.
My adult life was no different. Whether in my private or social life, or in my work, I gravitated toward people who fostered the fundamental edicts of my childhood and my youth -- honesty, trustworthiness, truthfulness, and respectfulness of others, because their traits complimented my own upbringing, and they made me try to be the best that I could be, and they made be feel good about myself.
Today, I am in a state of utter dismay and disillusionment. Why, I ask myself, would anyone select as a friend, a mentor, a leader or a person to admire or respect -- someone who has a reputation as a fraudster and con man, is habitually lying, has no moral or ethical standards, and is disdainful and derisive? Why would anyone gravitate toward such a morally bankrupt person, and hold them up as a reflection or a representative of their own morals, ethics, beliefs or principles? These questions baffle and confound my mind and my thoughts.
Even as a child I knew who to befriend and who to avoid, and the reasons why. And as a young person, I selected my friends, acquaintances and pals carefully, ensuring there was some shared commonality. And by the time I became an adult, my network of acquaintances, contacts, colleagues, associates and companions, was well-established and secured. They all made me feel safe, respected and appreciated. And I trusted them and their participation and involvement in my life, because they inspired me and motivated me, each in his or her own way.
But, to have witness the daily disparagements, lies, misinformation, disinformation, arrogance and illiteracy, displayed on a daily basis not long ago (and continuing) by a man whose apathy is only surpassed by his idiocy, leaves me flabbergasted as to why he would have a third or more of the population of the United States holding him up on a pedestal, as a symbol of their own mental prowess and agility.
It is astounding to believe that there are so many people who identify themselves, with all their heart and mind, with the man who, in his simple and special mind, believes himself to be a king, with absolute and unquestioned power and authority.
It saddens me to realize that it took one dangerous and delusional man to expose the dark and sinister underbelly of our hidden American nightmare fellow citizens who had camouflaged themselves with the American flag and Christian values.
For when repression, oppression, despotism and tyranny come to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
What ever happened to the nurturing and the guidance of our childhoods and our youth? What ever happened to common sense and common decency? What ever happened to honor? Why now, the displaced honor?
MineralMan
(146,255 posts)They decided in 2020. They will decide in 2022 and 2024, as well.
That is what we need to remember, along with remembering that our efforts can overcome obstacles to voting.
We needn't stop being the majority. Instead, we need to make our majority status even more clear.
Do not let the bullies win.
JohnSJ
(92,061 posts)voter suppression efforts by various state legislatures, it will be even more difficult.
Not insurmountable, as long as we get people registered early, and GOTV, but that takes aggressive leadership, and I really hope Jamie Harrison is up to the task. I know Stacy Abrams is.
OLDMDDEM
(1,569 posts)you are spot on. He was irrelevant after the insurrection, in my mind. Without the use of Twitter, Facebook, etc. he is more useless than he was when he was in office. Once he goes to New Jersey for the summer, he will be arrested. That will make him even more irrelevant.
Brother Mythos
(1,442 posts)presidents in the history of our republic, if not the actual worst president. But, I do believe he will be increasingly ignored.
Career Republicult politicians dare not ignore him at present, for fear of being 'primaried' out of office. That fear, however, will diminish with time as the indictments, lawsuits, convictions, and lost lawsuits pile up.
MineralMan
(146,255 posts)Yes, there will.
Siwsan
(26,250 posts)He will always have his cult, but I think that will get smaller and smaller. History will not treat him with kindness.
MineralMan
(146,255 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)and his cause. Even if they thought he was clumsy and incompetent they still agree with his christofascist ideology. I believe he is now another "Saint Ronnie" type. He already has been made the heart of a cult of personality. The current GOP continues backing his play.
I doubt he will be indicted or charged. Even if he is, he will not do a day in prison. He may be fined, some home arrest time, that is it.
Irrelevant, no. However, his time has passed. He may try to run again but he won't have much luck. He has been consigned to political "legend" status. To the rest of the christofascists, the war goes on. The younger fascist extremists in the GOP are lining up to take his place. Hawley, Cruz, McCarthy and the rest of the nutjobs are going to ride it as far as they can.
MineralMan
(146,255 posts)Ocelot II
(115,596 posts)and even if Facebook takes him back in six months that will probably be too late for him to get his social media mojo back. The bigger question, I think, is whether Trumpism will survive in a way that remains dangerous. The GQP is in the process of setting itself alight, and it's not clear yet what the result of that dumpster fire will be. Will the MAGA crowd find another demagogue to follow (they are perfect examples of authoritarian followers per Altmeyer, http://iclinstitute.com/The_Authoritarians_--_Short_Synopsis.pdf)? They can't wipe their own asses without being ordered to do it, told how to do it, and reminded that it triggers the libs. If Trump fades into the swamps of Mierda-Loco, either figuratively because nobody is listening to him, or literally because decades of bad eating finally catches up with him and he departs this mortal coil after being found flopping around like a gaffed carp on the ninth hole of one of his seedy faux-baroque resorts, will the MAGAts and Q-berts bounce around aimlessly in some kind of ideological Brownian motion, or will they coalesce behind, say, Ted Cruz (just kidding, everybody hates Ted Cruz), and continue to plague sane people indefinitely? Stay tuned.
MineralMan
(146,255 posts)is doomed to become even more of a minority. We won't know that for sure right away, but that's my expectation.
Phoenix61
(16,993 posts)They are mostly older and young people are increasingly more liberal.
malaise
(268,702 posts)Watch the proceedings
TlalocW
(15,374 posts)I've been lurking (and trolling) on a lot of right-wing "prophetic" YouTube channels. The people there are 100% convinced he's coming back, and he's God's anointed, etc. The initial "prophecies" of his remaining in office have failed, but the goalposts have been moved to retaking the office sometime in 2021, and most of the initial believers now accept this. I wonder if enough people will drop away every year Trump isn't just given back the presidency during Biden's four years as the "prophets" will undoubtedly keep kicking the can down the road.
TlalocW
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)captain queeg
(10,096 posts)I think he will not return to his former power but his disease will live on. Hopefully its growth can be checked. Whatever bizarre set of conditions led to his status wont provide a replacement demagogue but we certainly arent cured.
TheRealNorth
(9,470 posts)I would argue the cancer existed before Trump, but it really grew while he was in office.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)He is a master at getting personal publicity.
In his NYC office he has been reputed to have a phone with 30 quick-dial buttons-- one for every media outlet in town. If he wasn't mentioned at least once a day somewhere, he would go through every button trying to pin down an editor. NY media sometimes used those calls on slow news days, but usually ignored them.
He never really seemed to care when one of his ventures failed (as they just about all did) but used the failures as the meat of press releases bragging about they were not failures at all, but evidence of his genius. Besides, any seeming failings were the fault of something or someone else.
When any of his ventures meant actual work to keep it running-- he bailed. His football league was the prime example.
So shall it be in his "retirement". He will try to find any media to blow gas into. But, just like in NY, media will catch on and blow him off because there is absolutely no substance there.
New Breed Leader
(622 posts)media will catch on and blow him off because there is absolutely no substance there.
I don't think they will.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)Half a dozen or more threads about him every day. I dont get it.