Continue to Wear Masks Despite Being Vaccinated...

[OhioChick]

"KEEP WEARING THE MASK—We card-carrying epidemiologists (with formal doctorate in epidemiology) know what we are talking about. Vast majority of 700+ epidemiologists surveyed says we would keep wearing masks for 1 year or longer." (Link to NYT article)

Link to tweet

[Skittles]

1. excellent

I think people who care about others will continue to mask - you know, those of who don't whine about it being such a HUUUUUUUUGE sacrifice to occasionally wear a mask.

[OhioChick]

5. You Got It... Surgeons Wear Masks All Day, Every Day....Why Can't We?

I trust the opinions of 700 Epidemiologists.

This is their life and job.

[former9thward]

7. No, it is not their job or their life.

They have nothing to do with one on one medicine. Epidemiologists look at statistics to determine the routes of disease.

[OhioChick]

13. Literally Exactly What Evidence Based Medicine is Made Of n/t

[former9thward]

19. Ask your doctor what interaction they have ever had with an epidemiologist.

Most will say none.

But no matter, I will take the advice of President Biden. "If you are vaccinated, take off your mask!"

[OhioChick]

22. Most Every Single PubMed Article on This Content

Family doctors don't do clinical research on clinical trials.

[Rural_Progressive]

73. You might want to consider how ridiculous what you texted really is.

Virologists and immunologists also generally have nothing to do with one on one medicine. The professionals who work one on one with the public depend on the research done by people in those professions to make good decisions as to treat and advise their patients.

By the way your explanation of what Epidemiologists is incomplete, they also are "The cornerstone of public health, and shapes policy decisions and evidence-based practice by identifying risk factors for disease and targets for preventive healthcare."

If my doctor tells me that he's not going to follow the advice of Epidemiologists I'll look for another doctor.

[former9thward]

81. So you want your doctor to take the "advice" of a supposed survey

over infectious disease specialists at the CDC? I want a doctor to follow the science, not "surveys" done by a journalist whose last science course was in high school.

Maybe the epidemiologists should publish a peer reviewed article on the subject like real scientists do.

[Rural_Progressive]

82. Kinda missing the point but that's okay

your mind is made up and so is mine.

I'll keep wearing my mask and you can keep not wearing yours.

[former9thward]

93. We agree!

I knew we would make it!

[OhioChick]

87. It's a Little Stronger Than Advice...

Since you have such a lack of understanding of who plays what role in the practices of evidence based medicine. I'll just state the facts as a response to your nonsense.

Infectious disease physicians and epidemiologists are closely related, but they are not the same. Infectious disease doctors specialize in infectious disease medicine, which is a subspecialty of internal medicine. These physicians treat patients and help prevent, diagnose and treat diseases caused by a variety of pathogens, including; bacteria, viruses, fungi and parasites. Most infectious disease specialists have additional knowledge in the areas of immunology, epidemiology and infection control.

They use their knowledge of epidemiology and clinical syndromes to make decisions about managing patients. This knowledge often saves lives because treatments can be started before patients become deathly ill. Often the infectious disease specialist is the first to notify the epidemiologist that a new disease is spreading in a community.

The role of an epidemiologist is a bit different. Some epidemiologists are also infectious disease medical doctors, while many epidemiologists have doctors of public health degrees and work outside of a clinical setting. Epidemiologists look at the big picture, using outbreak investigation methods and extremely large amounts of data to isolate the root cause of a disease. They are crucial in guiding communities to effective disease prevention. When it comes to epidemiology, it is the community that’s being "treated" or "studied" to reduce the total outbreaks of illness.

Epidemiology is the study of the cause and distribution of diseases and health conditions in specific populations. Epidemiologists use scientifically based, systematic data analysis to determine what is causing health problems within a studied community or region.

Infectious disease epidemiology includes the study of diseases such as COVID-19, Ebola, HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, sexually transmitted infections, food-borne illness and diarrheal pathogens, among others. It also includes research related to the development and evaluation of vaccines. Epidemiologists focus their efforts on how to stop it from spreading and prevent another outbreak or incident of the disease.

Both infectious disease physicians and epidemiologist are scientists, because they both are guided by the scientific method in the jobs they perform. Infectious disease physicians utilize the results of the data provided by epidemiology to treat individual patients in accordance to a method that will satisfy the needs of the overall community. For instance, a family medicine doctor would treat a patient with XR confirmed aspiration pneumonia with a specific type, dose and duration of oral antibiotics. This is not because he knows exactly the antibiotic will function and how long it will take to effectively eliminate the bacteria. The reason is because others have performed the studies to provide the physician with the best course of treatment. A duration too short, will produce antibiotic resistant bacteria strains, and will further complicate the patients outcome. These are from rigorous peer reviewed cohort studies, conducted and published by epidemiologists and pharmacologists.

[Zeitghost]

80. You'll notice

Prior to COVID surgeons didn't wear masks outside sterile surgical rooms. Trying to avoid any and all causes of sickness for otherwise healthy people isn't necessary and can set you up for problems later. A young healthy person needs to be exposed to common bugs to develop a healthy functioning immune system.

[OhioChick]

86. If you haven't noticed, we're in a Pandemic n/t

[MichMan]

92. They wear them when operating on patients

They don't wear them 24/7 in their everyday lives.

[beaglelover]

2. I'll go with the CDC guidance, thank you very much!

[prodigitalson]

12. This nt

[USALiberal]

37. Lol, nice try! Nt

[USALiberal]

51. Are masks hard for you to wear? Nt

[beaglelover]

53. No.

I’m fully vaccinated. No need to wear a mask anymore to protect myself. I’m done with them unless the business I’m patronizing requires I wear one.

[womanofthehills]

101. Are you unaware of breakthroughs and Indian variants?

The CDC just posted - over 9000 vaccine breakthroughs and said the actual number is much higher because those are just people who contacted them.

[beaglelover]

102. 9000 breakthroughs out of 77+ million vaccinated. And how many of the breakthroughs

DIED from COVID?????? The percentages are tiny tiny.

[Hortensis]

107. We'll know if a variant is dangerously resistant to our vaccines.

We'll hear it from press interviewing experts before any announcements from our own government.

However, virtually certainly their information will come from virologists in whatever nations are involved who've been working with CDC teams on the scene and in Atlanta to determine what they have.

For all whose not wanting to be mistaken for depraved pod people and giving them cover as if they've won something, how about masking when it feels best and the rest of the time wearing a nice, big pin instead? It'd be a lot more comfortable over the summer and tell people you're safe to be around.



Redbubble.com has a pin I like because of its pointedly pro-science message that people have long accepted and been grateful for, but I can't post its picture.

"Got polio? Me neither. Thanks science!"

https://www.redbubble.com/i/pin/Got-polio-Me-neither-Thanks-science-by-allthetees/28526915.NP9QY

[Deminpenn]

79. Me too

nt

[rockfordfile]

3. I agree

[soothsayer]

4. Totally dig my masks, don't trust people or variants.

I’m good.

[former9thward]

6. They can keeping wearing, if they want, I'm not.

And if we were able to follow around these "vast majority of 700+ epidemiologists" I think we would find many of them aren't either.

BTW epidemiologists are not infectious disease scientists. They look at mass statistics on disease.

[OhioChick]

10. I'll Take Their PhD's Over Your Googling Abilities Any Day, Thank You! n/t

[HUAJIAO]

35. I'm with you, and a lot of other research I have done....over the last 14-15 months.

[OhioChick]

50. .....

[Thtwudbeme]

88. I am a librarian- a huge part of my job is to get children

to use databases, and not use Google. I get so damned mad when I read, "I researched it!" meaning, "I googled what I wanted to read, and found someone on a blog that agrees with me."

We are going to wear our masks.

[OhioChick]

89. Thank you for doing your job in properly educating children. n/t

[Thtwudbeme]

90. The hardest part is teaching kids whose parents equate "Google"

with research.

Seriously- all you have to do is read FB or DU to see what librarians are up against.

I could rant all day about "statues and history" (we live in the South)....and "I watched a youtube video by a guy with a PhD."

[OhioChick]

91. I truly believe you.....

The joke at hospitals that doctors have to constantly deal with is...."Google said this....."

They're always telling patients to stop consulting "Dr. Google."

[USALiberal]

39. Scared of masks? Nt

[beaglelover]

47. Lol, nice try! Nt

[ecstatic]

8. They're not helping

Contradicting the CDC at this point does more harm than good.

[OhioChick]

11. Interesting Since the Biden's Said They Will Continue to Mask Up n/t

[NoRethugFriends]

15. "Bidens" not "Biden's"

[OhioChick]

18. Good Argument......Moving Along n/t

[NoRethugFriends]

68. Correct use of the English language matters

[OhioChick]

69. So Does the Block Feature n/t

[Skittles]

20. technically

"Bidens", not "Biden's"

if you want to be a real arse

[Celerity]

23. 'Today is a great day for America': Biden removes his mask as CDC relaxes guidance

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2021/may/13/liz-cheney-republicans-trump-us-politics-live

[Skittles]

36. believe it or not, Biden can be wrong, he has been wrong before

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/13/upshot/epidemiologists-coronavirus-masks.html

[Celerity]

41. that was not the point of my reply nt

[Skittles]

43. Ignore is my friend

for sure

[OhioChick]

48. Mine too! Learned That Back From 2004 n/t

[Celerity]

49. have a wonderful weekend

[Skittles]

14. maybe it's the CDC doing more harm than good

they've dropped the ball quite a bit

[OhioChick]

26. Yep, I Wholeheartedly Agree n/t

[HUAJIAO]

38. +1000

[Grokenstein]

72. They certainly have!

The regular "adjustments" to masking and distancing recommendations reached Full-Blown Unhelpful back when they dropped distancing from six to three feet. Every time they say "oh, deaths have dropped slightly, you can stop masking here and there" the usual idiots declare "CDC sez pandemic over!!" and assert their "right" to cough up phlegm on the bus again.

It's almost like the CDC is run by a troll...or worse.

[USALiberal]

46. Pure BS! Nt

[marybourg]

60. The survey of epidemiologists was conducted from Apr. 28 to May 10, as seen on lower edge.

There was no intent to dispute the CDC’s recommendation. Any attempt to imply otherwise is dishonest and manipulative.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

9. He prob has stock in masks, my president says I dont have to wear a mask, thats good enough for me

[Skittles]

16. LOL

alrighty then

[OhioChick]

83. .....

[Skittles]

84. we make fun of those people who attended THOSE rallies

you know?

[OhioChick]

85. I completely agree with you, we did, indeed n/t

[HUAJIAO]

45. Your president over 700 epidermiologists?

Why does that have a familiar ring to it?

[Crunchy Frog]

17. I will continue at least until the viral spread around here

is close to nonexistent.

I'm also going to watch to see if there's an increase in rates of infections among the vaccinated. The fact that people who are more likely to get vaccinated are also more likely to comply with mask mandates could have some sort of impact on numbers.

I'm sure that we will continue to get lots of interesting data.

[Skittles]

21. DING DING

we have a winner

[OhioChick]

24. That We Do! n/t

[pazzyanne]

70. Same here.

As a fully vaccinated person with a serious autoimmune disease, I will be wearing a mask for 1 year or possibly much longer. There is no way of being sure how much coverage the vaccine gives people like me.

[TexasBushwhacker]

96. Same here

My risk factors are high, plus I don't want to be mistaken for a Republican.

[Ms. Toad]

25. Thank you! n/t

[OhioChick]

28. Nice to See You! n/t

[Celerity]

27. Pass, but thanks for the suggestion. Whatever you feel comfortable with is what counts, good luck.

[Skittles]

30. during a pandemic, "whatever feels comfortable" is not sound advice

just sayin'

[Celerity]

32. I said that for that poster, not for everyone (like anti-vaxxers) nt

[OhioChick]

33. That it is Not....

I hear horror stories from my kids, daily.

[cinematicdiversions]

94. If you are fully vaccinated you are not really

Participating in the pandemic anymore.

[Voltaire2]

108. As the CDC noted recently, for those

fully vaccinated, mask wearing is now simply optional.

So how about, during a pandemic, follow the guidance of the government agency tasked with providing pandemic guidance?

[yellowdogintexas]

29. Definitely! In this house we will continue to wear masks

Too much at risk especially for Mr YellowDog.

I have three get togethers coming up: my church ladies: masked, vaccinated, outdoor gathering.
Sunday School class: outdoors, vaccinated and masked
Democratic Woman's Club first in person get together since March 2020, outdoors on a large courtyard. I expect everyone to be either masked, vaccinated or both.

I am making a label for my name tag that says "Team Pfizer"

[OhioChick]

31. Great to Hear!

[Dorian Gray]

34. Eric Feigl-Ding

is criticized a lot by doctors online for being a very negative scare mongerer. I used to follow him and then I realized after reading some criticisms from a few people, that was quite true. So, I stopped. Look at his posts. He's driving interactoin with worst case scenarios most of the time. It's fear mongering tragedy porn to get clicks.

(My humble opinion only)

(Yes, I'll still wear a mask sometimes... in public places where I don't know if most people are vaccinated, of course. Crowded places. When traveling. Of course. But not in the places where the CDC says it's okay to drop them. And I'll avoid unvaccinated people, even my SIL and brother who won't get vaccinated.)

[OhioChick]

40. He was Right About Brazil, Right About India....Should I go on? n/t

[Dorian Gray]

52. The USA sucked too

I just have become aware of which epidemiologists and doctors are driving their social media by objective stuff or things that drive fear. He's the latter. Always. When things are turning around he still lists worst case scenario. He's the Seth Abrahmason of the covid twitter world.

https://undark.org/2020/11/25/complicated-rise-of-eric-feigl-ding/

[Crunchy Frog]

59. I don't care about him or what he says. I did find the NYT article quite compelling.

[speaknow]

44. How much have they invested in the mask

business? Just more miss information to scare
people.

[OhioChick]

54. Thanks for the Tip, I'm Investing in Ventilators n/t

[Deuxcents]

58. What?

We’re investing in Life. It’s not “miss information “.

[johnp3907]

77. I believe she prefers "Ms Information."

[AllaN01Bear]

55. hear hear. i will continue to wear my masks , even though the guidlines are now off.

continue to wash hands etc. this is were we messed up is that we as a nation forgot basic hygine .

[dickthegrouch]

56. For once I agree

Given all the liars, variants, and my comorbidities, I will not be giving up my mask any time soon.

[AlexSFCA]

57. I believe the reason CDC changed recommendation is to incentivize the unvaccinated

many surveys reveal that vaccine hesitant will get a vaccine if required. This is as close as you can get short of mandating vaccination when employers require all unvaccinated staff to wear masks indefinitely. You bet we will see vaccination rates increase. We need to continue momentum and excitement around vaccination. What we need is a quick and reliable way to verify vaccination status while still protecting privacy.

[Ace Rothstein]

61. The guy who advocated for school closures then moved to Austria so his kids could go in-person?

Pass

[Dorian Gray]

63. Did he really do that?

yikes

[OhioChick]

64. Bye! n/t

[Ace Rothstein]

65. Later

[OhioChick]

66. See Ya! n/t

[dweller]

62. Still 38k new cases in US today

733 new deaths
We'll be at 600k by tomorrow likely ...

still masked as my state is still in the top 10

✌🏻

[GulfCoast66]

75. And almost entirely unvaccinated. I'm not saying this to deride those who still want to wear masks.

Wore mine today in the grocery, restaurant and liquor store.

But to make the point that 30% of Americans will never get vaccinated. And they will continue to get sick and die.

But so far the data is pretty clear that if vaccinated you have a just under 1 in a million chance of dying from Covid. And 100 million is a pretty big subject group.

[womanofthehills]

104. Unfortunately, breakthrough cases are on the rise

With dangerous new variants.

[beaglelover]

106. And they represent a teeny tiny percentage of the people who have been vaccinated.

[ailsagirl]

67. Absolutely!!!!

I dig my mask(s) too!!!!! 😷😷😷

[Ferrets are Cool]

71. This

[BobTheSubgenius]

74. Hell yes!

A simple scan of the numbers - the number of fully-vaccinated people vs the total population - should tell you that the idea of the virus being in full retreat is very wishful thinking.

[Martin68]

76. It depends upon the situation. Small group of close friends or huge gathering of strangers?

[Snackshack]

78. 2nd shot

Is next Saturday morning but as far as the mask goes...I expect to be wearing one when around other people for a very long time. Only time I don’t wear one is when I am not around other humans.

[Elessar Zappa]

95. I won't continue wearing a mask

unless the locality or businesses mandate it or I see evidence of a new variant that’s evading the vaccination.

[Calculating]

97. Nope

If the president and cdc say we can go back to relatively normal that's good for me.

[Yavin4]

98. The rate of hospitalizations and deaths haven fallen 76% and 82.5% respectively

from their absolute peaks in January 2021. That's largely due to the vaccination program which started with our most vulnerable population. We have not seen any major spikes in hospitalizations and deaths since January.

The data does not support government mandated mask wearing.

[BannonsLiver]

99. First of all I'll do what I think is best

Pseudo DU experts who think they have some special insight trying to play the big role here are not taken seriously by me. I also don’t blindly trust in govt. But I’m not anti govt either, which has been in style here in recent days with regard to the CDC.

Masks will be worn in scenarios where I deem them necessary. I expect little will change for me with mask wearing other then when at a friends home, who is also vaccinated, I will no longer wear one. In crowded public settings that I can’t avoid, I will continue to wear one.

[Midwestern Democrat]

103. No - I'm done with masks. N/T

[IBEWVET]

105. Don't they help against the flu and common cold? nt