NY Times Very Mad Joe Biden Is Not A Fucking Idiot Like Trump

[Nevilledog]

Link to tweet

https://oliverwillis.com/ny-times-very-mad-joe-biden-is-not-a-fucking-idiot-like-trump/

I hope the Pulitzer Prize committee is paying attention, because on May 14 the New York Times dropped some bombshell reporting that should make blood run cold for every American, heck, every citizen of the world.

The self-described “paper of record” in a story bylined by three of its reporters at the top of the Mount Everest of journalism – Michael D. Shear, Katie Rogers, and Annie Karni – uncovered that Joe Biden is obsessed with details and gets angry when his subordinates don’t bring their “A” game.

Truly shocking stuff.

“Aides say he demands hours of debate from scores of policy experts,” the Times notes, as if that wasn’t what over 81 million people voted for in November 2020.

Discussing Biden‘s attitude when aides don’t bring him clear and precise answers, the Times drops this shocker: “Let’s talk plain English here, he will often snap.”

Reporter Michael Shear put an exclamation point on the Times’ framing by tweeting out the story with “SHORT FUSE” in caps to make it clear what the paper is trying to do here.

*snip*

[Ocelot II]

1. Has he worn a tan suit yet?

[jmowreader]

38. He's worn a light blue one

I wonder...would it be possible for those of us here at DU to raise a little cash to get our beloved president a custom-tailored tan suit? I figure that after 20 million Trump fans' heads exploded, he'd win the 2024 election in a rout that made 2020 look like a rounding error.

[Nevilledog]

40. Is there such a thing as tan seersucker? Let's do that.

[FalloutShelter]

2. Turns out "Sleepy Joe"

Is a total BOSS! Shocked. Kick ass Joe!

[aeromanKC]

3. The Onion?

[LakeArenal]

4. Plain English. Terrible.

Listening to ideas from advisors.

Not acting unilaterally prickish.

Whoa.... It’s about time.

Most of his advisors have known Joe forever. They know his style.

[DonCoquixote]

5. let uis be bluint

Most of these fools would love someone who acted liek trump, but did so for their vanity.

[DonCoquixote]

6. a nugget of hard truth about one of the fools who got us Trump

Haberman’s reporting was the kind of fodder best left to gossip columns about Brad and Angelina, not the man with the nuclear football. But the paper was happy to get the pablum it was spoon fed and the wider journalistic world absolutely adores Haberman-style journalism and she remains the ideal for the insular in-crowd.

[PortTack]

16. +1000

[Progressive Jones]

7. I'm pretty certain that the ninja level drama queen definition of "snap" applies here.

I see President Joe being serious or concerned or aggressive, but not "snapping".

[ProfessorGAC]

46. Here's What I Picture As "Snapped"

Aide brings some info. Joe asks about what certain experts in that field are saying. Aide says "I don't know."
Joe says sternly, "What do you mean, you don't know? Go find out and get back to me. You need to come prepared!"
You know, like bosses do!
The NYT calls that snapped.

[SunSeeker]

8. Wait wut? Biden demands his advisors know the facts? Say it ain't so!

[Me.]

9. But HIs Emails!

wait, that never did pan out for them either

[SergeStorms]

32. It hasn't stopped...

Rudy Kazootee from bragging about it, like it was something that made a difference about anything. Other Trumpanistas talk about it too, like there was something on Hunter's computer other than stuff that was supposed to be there.

I guess when you have nothing, you have nothing to lose.

[uponit7771]

51. +1,

[TreasonousBastard]

10. Again about this article! I really wish Twittershitters and other commentators would actually...

READ the article they are talking about.

Icing on the cake, of course, is to use their misinterpretation of the article to denigrate the entire enterprise.

[Nevilledog]

12. Ummm......I read it....what's your point?

[TreasonousBastard]

17. My point is simply that it was a "slice of life in the White House" article and does not...

say there's something wrong with his attitude.

[Hortensis]

43. Basically agree. Ironic, too, when material like "oliverwillis" is used to complain

about journalism.

As I said elsewhere, those bouncing off the ceiling over having negatives mentioned in this piece need to toughen up or have a very rough time over the next few years, and lack credibility when calling wolf.

We know what the NYT can be. The people who threw the nation to the Trump monster in 2016 to keep Democrats out of power are still there. Watch for insidious patterns.

[Hortensis]

44. Basically agree. Ironic, too, when material like "oliverwillis" is used to complain

about journalism.

As I said elsewhere, those bouncing off the ceiling over having negatives mentioned in this piece need to toughen up or have a very rough time over the next few years, and lack credibility when calling wolf.

We know what the NYT can be. The people who threw the nation to the Trump monster in 2016 to keep Democrats out of power are still there. Watch for insidious patterns.

[Ocelot II]

14. I read it too, and it says exactly what the tweet in the OP said it said.

The authors fussed rather ridiculously about Biden's thoroughness and attention to detail and his irritation when aides are unprepared, as if these were bad things.

[TreasonousBastard]

15. I read it and didn't get that impression at all-- after four years of idiocy, we have a president...

doing his job like most presidents have. And nowhere did it say that was a bad thing.

[Ocelot II]

22. Here are just a few examples of what seems to me to be almost in the category of

fussing over tan suits:

What emerges is a portrait of a president with a short fuse, who is obsessed with getting the details right — sometimes to a fault, including when he angered allies and adversaries alike by repeatedly delaying a decision on whether to allow more refugees into the United States.

and

On policy issues, Mr. Biden, 78, takes days or weeks to make up his mind as he examines and second-guesses himself and others. It is a method of governing that can feel at odds with the urgency of a country still reeling from a pandemic and an economy struggling to recover.

and

After the meeting, he pulled Mr. Zients aside and gave him a set of instructions: “Bring me the news, good, bad and ugly. It’s going to have big moments and not so good moments, and I want to know about every one of them,” the president said. “I want the details.”

That instinct has not always been helpful.

After vowing during his campaign to reverse Trump-era limits on refugee admissions to the United States, Mr. Biden deliberated for weeks about whether to quickly make good on that promise. Meetings with his administration’s top refugee experts led the president to doubt the government’s capacity to accept refugees even as it struggled to deal with a surge of migrants at the southwestern border.

His announcement that he was sticking with his predecessor’s limits on refugee admissions infuriated Democrats and activists alike, and won him unwanted praise from Mr. Trump’s top immigration officials. It took only hours before his spokeswoman backed away from the decision. Two weeks later, Mr. Biden formally reversed himself, significantly raising the number of refugees who could come to the United States this year.

Several aides said the episode was an example of Mr. Biden losing sight of the bigger picture — in this case, the signal he was sending by breaking his campaign promise.

and

In mid-April, the president said he would nominate nine career foreign service officers to ambassador, but he has not yet filled several high-profile posts abroad, such as Israel and Japan.

On May 4, Ms. Psaki told reporters that the president would be evaluating more nominees “soon.” Asked to define “soon” — Days? Months? Weeks? — Ms. Psaki said out loud what many of the president’s aides were no doubt thinking.

“Well,” she said, “I think it depends on when the president makes some decisions.”

[TreasonousBastard]

27. Close, but I really think no cigar. I do not think any of that goes to the extent of "trashing"...

Mild criticisms are always allowed. At least until we get someone perfect in that office.

Near as I can tell, no president has ever gotten away with no criticism, and Biden's getting a lot less than Carter or Clinton.

[uponit7771]

50. Picking fly shit issues from pepper isn't real criticism

[stopdiggin]

30. "was sticking with his predecessor's limits on refugee admissions"

Yeah -- it DID infuriate -- a whole LOT of people. (and could easily be characterized as a major blunder by the President. why would we say anything else?) My point? This is not nit picking or tan suit stuff -- this is real reporting. And I would rather read the real thing -- than a fluff piece that attempts to 'spin' a blunder like this -- into something that it's not.

The piece had some criticisms in it, sure -- (were we expecting unblemished perfection, saintly innocence in the Oval?) -- but it was far from 'weighted' or unfair toward Biden. And I'm big enough to handle the unvarnished (or unpolished) truth.

[betsuni]

45. You are correct.

[stopdiggin]

25. a pretty even handed (and fairly meaty) article

giving some real insight into the man, his inner circle, and his governing and decision making style. Actually pretty good stuff. Insightful -- and useful to the public. Where's the problem? You don't like real reporting?

If the twitter-verse wants to rag on the NYT -- this was a really poor illustration to lead with.

[Thomas Hurt]

11. Well, you know, the christofasicsts always go with self-centered gut decisions...it's how they roll.

Intellectualism is emasculating to the fascist.

[Ocelot II]

13. OMG, he demands thorough analyses!

He makes thoughtful, detail-oriented decisions regarding important national policies! He doesn't make up his mind instantly on the basis of something he saw on a cable news show! He gets irritated when aides haven't done their research but not when they've failed to kiss his ass! WTF is wrong with him? Why doesn't he act like TFG so the bored ink-stained wretches at NYT have something to write about?

[Martin Eden]

18. Biden demands a different kind of A-game from his staff

In the White House prior to Jan 20 this year, the A-game meant the game Assholes played.

[stopdiggin]

19. Here's the real headline

Beneath Joe Biden’s Folksy Demeanor, a Short Fuse and an Obsession With Details
As Mr. Biden settles into the office he has chased for more than three decades, aides say he demands hours of debate from scores of policy experts.

- snip - He never erupts into fits of rage the way President Donald J. Trump did. And the current president rarely exhibits the smoldering anger or sense of deep disappointment that advisers to Mr. Obama became familiar with.
- snip - But several people familiar with the president’s decision-making style said Mr. Biden was quick to cut off conversations. Three people who work closely with him said he even occasionally hangs up the phone on someone who he thinks is wasting his time. Most described Mr. Biden as having little patience for advisers who cannot field his many questions.

It's a real 'hit piece' I tell ya'!!!!!
But you'll of course want to go to twitter feed to better understand what the newspaper was really saying.
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[Ocelot II]

24. I did read the article, and found it to be an example of journalists

looking for something to criticize and not being able to find anything significant.

[stopdiggin]

31. I did read the article -- and found it to be even-handed and informative

kind of like I like my reporting to be.

(There are people that think 'even-handed' is a mythical construct these days. In reporting and many other things. I'm not interested in entertaining that discussion. Respectfully.)

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[CatWoman]

20. lol -- reminds me of this Reagan SNL skit

[peppertree]

23. That's their idea of a "president"

A clown who golfs all day and totters around without the faintest idea of anything.

Except that Muslims should be bombed, and taxes for the rich should be cut.

It should be noted, though, that it was Reagan who'd often fall asleep during his briefs and hearings - rather than the advisers.

[dlk]

21. Why would the Times' reporters think this was important to write?

Are they running out of stories to cover?

[ananda]

26. Why worry about the NYT?

I boycott them just like I do Fox and
other rightwing sites.

[llashram]

28. In my book

the NYT has always been Jekyll/Hyde source of news. When they backed bush jr./cheney in their lies and attack on Iraq, I was basically through with their bullshit. NPR the same.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

29. I have been boycotting the NYT for a long time

Link to tweet

?s=20

[monkeyman1]

33. missing the dog & pony show of the " soon to be in the can for life former guy "!

[aggiesal]

34. One of these things is not like the other, tell me which ...

1) Pendejo45 snaps whenever he doesn't get his way.

2) Apparently Biden snaps, when he demands his advisors bring their "A" game to policy discussions.

3) NY Times tries to equate both administrations.

Hmmmm, what to choose.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

48. Biden is aware of the value of a president's time.

Not his time specifically, but the time of the person who sits in the seat of the most powerful man in the world. He doesn't have the luxury of listening to someone is not the expert on the subject. Don't say in 50 words what can be said in 20.

Prior to the former guy, the second most powerful person is the president's chief of staff. He acts as gatekeeper to the Oval Office, determining who gets access. Everyone -- literally everyone -- has something vitally important to talk with the President about. The chief of staff says "no" a lot and then prioritizes the rest.

T***** went through chiefs of staff like crap through a goose. He only had one who understood how the office worked and tried to exert some discipline. General John F. Kelly was a career Marine. He quickly learned that his boss thrived on chaos -- anyone could walk into the Oval Office at anytime, especially Ivanka and Jared. He and IQ45 separated on acrimonious terms.

About the position, Barack Obama observed: "One of the things I've learned is that the big breakthroughs are typically the result of a lot of grunt work—just a whole lot of blocking and tackling.' Grunt work is what chiefs of staff do."[

[dupagelib]

36. The folks who gave us Judith Miller

The are becoming like the local news. If it bleeds it leads. Controversies sell papers.

[Deminpenn]

37. Demanding bosses keep you on your toes

Worked for a few, it was the most fun time of my career.

[Mersky]

39. Whatever they wanted to instill, I like him even more

Grills people for details and wants them to give it to them straight? Not rushing to judgement? Wow. Is as if he takes the job seriously.

He sounds both tough and lovable, and is doing pretty well considering the mess he walked into. I’ve always found tough coaches or choreographers were the best if they followed the standards they set for the team - engenders fairness and high standards with some snap.

I cannot tell you how glad I am that his drink of choice is orange Gatorade, and that generally, his food preferences reflect what I keep on hand, too. Swap the grapes for loose leaf organic spinach and mandarin oranges and the President would be at home in my house.

And I’m just not worried about what he’s doing right now, no matter what false standards came about in the past four years.

[Marcuse]

41. Stories of the former guy's antics wrote themselves. Now the media has to work hard for a story.

[SoonerPride]

42. Sounds to me like a tough boss and not at all a sleepy joe

I say it’s about time.

We need shit fixed all over the place and fast.

I’m glad he’s on their collective assess to bring their best work.

That’s what we expected.

[Rural_Progressive]

47. OH. MY. GOD.

the horror, the unspeakable horror.

I am beside myself trying to deal with this unbearably painful but disarmingly honest journalistic expose.

(Meanwhile reporters for the Daily Beast are blowing the lid off layers of corruption in the Central Florida Republican operation)

Let's see, do I renew my subscription to the DB or put my money towards supporting the epitome of responsible journalism, decisions, decisions, decisions.

[vapor2]

49. Has Biden ignored the pandemic or has he called it a hoax?

OR suggested injecting bleach? I think not