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K & R Sinistrous May 2021 #1
Good luck ladies Fullduplexxx May 2021 #2
It's a men's issue too. Ilsa May 2021 #36
There is no doubt there efforts contributed to this, and that should never be forgotten JohnSJ May 2021 #3
Yeah. ismnotwasm May 2021 #4
to all the centrists that keep punching left... Voltaire2 May 2021 #5
This 10,000 % msfiddlestix May 2021 #6
I'm a Biden Democrat WA-03 Democrat May 2021 #9
you may be a biden demcorat, if so, bless you but DonCoquixote May 2021 #15
m ake this it's own op please DonCoquixote May 2021 #10
The so called left that didn't vote for Democrats are NOT ALLIES JI7 May 2021 #13
Yes! Tired of the obsession with the few crazies like Sarandon. They aren't our allies, lagomorph777 May 2021 #14
There are those claiming to be on left who think Democrats are the enemy. betsuni May 2021 #26
This sheshe2 May 2021 #34
Just put the word "grassroots" in front of anything and it's fine, pure. betsuni May 2021 #35
Thanks. Rotten "Leftists" are the cause of appalachiablue May 2021 #33
And to all the 3rd party voters in 2016 mcar May 2021 #7
all of them? Voltaire2 May 2021 #8
Sure, to be specific mcar May 2021 #11
with all due respect DonCoquixote May 2021 #12
Of course we know how many Libertarian voters were "republicans", right? Lulz. George II May 2021 #31
Yup LizBeth May 2021 #18
A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for the former guy and to gut Roe v. Wade LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #22
That's right mcar May 2021 #25
Never forget all the irresponsible purity morons from 2016 LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #30
I think my nose will curl and I shake head in disgust for always and ever, remembering. LizBeth May 2021 #16
And let's not forget all the "good Democrats" who told lefties to eff off and we didn't need them SYFROYH May 2021 #17
How much groveling was enough for our girls and women? LizBeth May 2021 #19
Well, I grovelled a lot to try to keep lefties on board. SYFROYH May 2021 #21
It was sick, it was disgusting, it was very disturbing. NOTHING felt good. It was a lot of ugly LizBeth May 2021 #24
No one should have to grovel... sheshe2 May 2021 #37
some may have DonCoquixote May 2021 #27
I agree. There is a lot of blame to go around. SYFROYH May 2021 #28
perhaps DonCoquixote May 2021 #32
The right wing has been out to capture the courts since Brown v. Board. Dawson Leery May 2021 #20
The "right" has had a plan FoxNewsSucks May 2021 #23
From the Hoarse Whisperer LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #29
Now I can't remember why they said SCOTUS wasn't important. betsuni May 2021 #38

Ilsa

(64,026 posts)
36. It's a men's issue too.
Mon May 17, 2021, 10:10 PM
May 2021

I've met plenty of men protesting with me, protecting clinics with me, etc. Almost all were husbands or fathers with a heartache of a story.

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
5. to all the centrists that keep punching left...
Mon May 17, 2021, 11:15 AM
May 2021

The real enemy is over there, on your right. Your allies against the fascist takeover of the republic, they are on your left.

If you are having trouble telling left from right, hold both hands up with their backs facing you and your thumbs out pointing towards your head. The 'L' shape is your left. The 'backwards L' is your right.

WA-03 Democrat

(3,340 posts)
9. I'm a Biden Democrat
Mon May 17, 2021, 11:46 AM
May 2021

I really believe I am a centrist. I never voted for Nader or anyone other than the Democratic Party’s candidate at every level. Is Rep. Clyburn on my left or right side? How about Stacey Abrams? Senator Blumenthal? President Obama?

I was born only being able to punch right. Thanks for the wonderful visual tips for your arms. Got any good ones for the feet and legs? Degrading your fellow Democrats seems to be your specialty and thank you for the swift kick in the nuts too.

DonCoquixote

(13,949 posts)
15. you may be a biden demcorat, if so, bless you but
Mon May 17, 2021, 12:48 PM
May 2021

Last edited Mon May 17, 2021, 08:05 PM - Edit history (1)

There4 are way too democrats who hold their nose at the [prospect of working with the ones sold as far left. Let me be blunt, if you are a democrat of any stripe, even a Joe Manchin, you have m,ore in common with me than even a "nice" GOP. The afghans have a saying that has served them well repelling invaders, including us "My Brother and I might fight a cousin, but we will ALL fight an invader." Who know who the Invaders are.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
14. Yes! Tired of the obsession with the few crazies like Sarandon. They aren't our allies,
Mon May 17, 2021, 12:47 PM
May 2021

anymore than the Qpublicans are. They can't legitimately call themselves liberal, progressive, or left-leaning if their votes or advocacy don't support real progress.

Let's focus on getting our real allies out to vote.

betsuni

(28,889 posts)
26. There are those claiming to be on left who think Democrats are the enemy.
Mon May 17, 2021, 03:09 PM
May 2021

Say they're all bribed and corrupt wealthy elites who ignore the working class, hate progressives, will stop at nothing to block progressive legislature and must be replaced.

Justice Democrats:

"The Democratic establishment is simply unwilling to take action on transformative policies the working people of this country need. They are unwilling to take on this fight because so many Democratic politicians take money from corporate PACs and Wall Street CEOs that benefit from inaction. ... More than half of Members of Congress are millionaires."

"The Democratic establishment sometimes seems like one big bucket of Wall Street and corporate PAC money, all going towards protecting the broken status quo."

"There are far too many ties between the Democratic establishment and the corporations that oppose economic, social, racial, and environments justice for the people. ... But corporate Democrats continue to disappoint Democratic voters and working people."

Clearly, they want their supporters to consider Democrats the enemy, not Republicans. In Michael Moore's words, Democrats are "a greater roadblock to social progress than Trump is." People who say they're on the left punching Democrats, who are the left. They have a great deal of trouble telling left from right.

sheshe2

(96,608 posts)
34. This
Mon May 17, 2021, 09:31 PM
May 2021
They are unwilling to take on this fight because so many Democratic politicians take money from corporate PACs and Wall Street CEOs that benefit from inaction. ... More than half of Members of Congress are millionaires."


Interesting comment from JD as the have endorsed Nina Turner for congress. Nina is listed as a millionaire.

Clearly, they want their supporters to consider Democrats the enemy, not Republicans. In Michael Moore's words, Democrats are "a greater roadblock to social progress than Trump is." People who say they're on the left punching Democrats, who are the left. They have a great deal of trouble telling left from right.




betsuni

(28,889 posts)
35. Just put the word "grassroots" in front of anything and it's fine, pure.
Mon May 17, 2021, 10:04 PM
May 2021

She's a grassroots millionaire! For everyone else, money is automatically corrupting. Just put the word "corporate" in front of anything, like "Democrats," and it's evil.

appalachiablue

(43,938 posts)
33. Thanks. Rotten "Leftists" are the cause of
Mon May 17, 2021, 08:32 PM
May 2021

all ills- Nader, Sarandon, Moore, Stein, Turner and millions of followers!



Being on the left my entire life I don't see it, I know who the real anti democratic forces are and never once considered not voting for the Democrat.

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
8. all of them?
Mon May 17, 2021, 11:26 AM
May 2021

because if you count all the 3rd party voters, the vast majority were Libertarian Party voters taking votes away from DJT. I think you want to restrict that to 3rd party voters who would otherwise vote Democratic.

DonCoquixote

(13,949 posts)
12. with all due respect
Mon May 17, 2021, 12:44 PM
May 2021

we do not care who would otherwise vote democratic, we care WHO ACTUALLY DOES vote democratic, even if they are holding their nose on that one day of the year where it matters.

LetMyPeopleVote

(176,698 posts)
22. A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for the former guy and to gut Roe v. Wade
Mon May 17, 2021, 02:05 PM
May 2021

Sarandon, Stein, Nina Turner and the others who attacked Hillary Clinton are to blame for the current SCOTUS and the potential gutting of Roe v. Wade

LizBeth

(11,222 posts)
16. I think my nose will curl and I shake head in disgust for always and ever, remembering.
Mon May 17, 2021, 12:54 PM
May 2021

Statement after statement SC and every single time the left tht did not vote didn't care. I will never forget, I will always be disgusted.

SYFROYH

(34,213 posts)
17. And let's not forget all the "good Democrats" who told lefties to eff off and we didn't need them
Mon May 17, 2021, 12:54 PM
May 2021


That was a brilliant plan.

SYFROYH

(34,213 posts)
21. Well, I grovelled a lot to try to keep lefties on board.
Mon May 17, 2021, 01:13 PM
May 2021

But some wanted to be angry and shoo them away. I'm sure it felt good at the time.

LizBeth

(11,222 posts)
24. It was sick, it was disgusting, it was very disturbing. NOTHING felt good. It was a lot of ugly
Mon May 17, 2021, 02:37 PM
May 2021

misogyny and lies.

sheshe2

(96,608 posts)
37. No one should have to grovel...
Mon May 17, 2021, 10:31 PM
May 2021

No one should have to grovel to keep 'lefties' on board for women's rights and peoples rights. The only ones that wanted to be angry were those that refused to vote Democratic. They did this themselves. Themselves as they voted third party or not at all. I'm sure it felt good at the time and we got a man as 'resident that nearly wiped us out.

This is on them.

DonCoquixote

(13,949 posts)
27. some may have
Mon May 17, 2021, 03:52 PM
May 2021

But none of that changes the fact that Sarandon, stein et all did not help matters at all, and frankly HELPED the GOP.

DonCoquixote

(13,949 posts)
32. perhaps
Mon May 17, 2021, 08:09 PM
May 2021

But damn right I do blame people who should have known better more than the GOP voters who were fed crap since birth and never knew better.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,546 posts)
23. The "right" has had a plan
Mon May 17, 2021, 02:13 PM
May 2021

for control, and they've been working on it for decades. Democrats, on the other hand, seem to be depending on the average person to just "see" how much better they are.

We can see which was the more effective strategy.

betsuni

(28,889 posts)
38. Now I can't remember why they said SCOTUS wasn't important.
Mon May 17, 2021, 11:29 PM
May 2021

Because the Democratic candidate was Satan and would appoint Hell-monsters worse than Trump would appoint? Something about "identity politics" and its unimportance? We were called stupid constantly, too stupid to understand the Glorious Revolution or whatever?

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