HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Couldn't vote for HRC? So...

Tue May 18, 2021, 01:08 AM

Couldn't vote for HRC? So where are we now?

Let's see:

Neil Gorsuch.

Brett Kavanaugh

Amy Coney Barrett

And what's to come? Well, the very real possibility that women's right to choose their own reproductive course could be gone.




Hyperbole? I don't think so. Our failure to elect Hillary Clinton gave us the worst president in history and a very rare THREE new kook judges.

55 replies, 1795 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 55 replies Author Time Post
Reply Couldn't vote for HRC? So where are we now? (Original post)
Stinky The Clown May 18 OP
comradebillyboy May 18 #1
Budi May 18 #6
Redleg May 18 #20
BlueMTexpat May 18 #21
Hortensis May 18 #31
betsuni May 18 #37
BlueMTexpat May 18 #52
comradebillyboy May 18 #2
JI7 May 18 #3
Budi May 18 #5
LetMyPeopleVote May 18 #4
Budi May 18 #7
stopdiggin May 18 #14
Hekate May 18 #8
SunSeeker May 18 #11
RANDYWILDMAN May 18 #9
Budi May 18 #10
stopdiggin May 18 #16
treestar May 18 #43
Treefrog May 18 #12
stopdiggin May 18 #18
Redleg May 18 #19
Demsrule86 May 18 #40
Demsrule86 May 18 #41
Autumn May 18 #53
NJCher May 18 #13
Skittles May 18 #23
NJCher May 18 #24
Skittles May 18 #25
NJCher May 18 #26
Skittles May 18 #27
hamsterjill May 18 #30
JI7 May 18 #33
NJCher May 18 #42
hamsterjill May 18 #48
Skittles May 18 #55
JI7 May 18 #34
NJCher May 18 #44
JI7 May 18 #47
NJCher May 18 #50
JI7 May 18 #51
NJCher May 18 #54
betsuni May 18 #46
Demsrule86 May 18 #36
Demsrule86 May 18 #39
betsuni May 18 #15
Stinky The Clown May 18 #38
betsuni May 18 #49
treestar May 18 #45
calimary May 18 #17
Skittles May 18 #22
Fullduplexxx May 18 #28
betsuni May 18 #29
Demsrule86 May 18 #32
mcar May 18 #35

Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Tue May 18, 2021, 01:12 AM

1. Too true. But it's too late to cry

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #1)

Tue May 18, 2021, 01:46 AM

6. Never to late to hold them accountable for their actions.

In fact, it's about damned time

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #1)

Tue May 18, 2021, 03:13 AM

20. It's never too late to cry

crying helps balance out the feelings of rage.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Redleg (Reply #20)

Tue May 18, 2021, 03:15 AM

21. I am not sure whether

my own feelings of rage will EVER be balanced out.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #21)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:09 AM

31. Not as long as the suffering that "I just don't LIKE her" stupidity brought on continues.

And as long as we have to live fearing this dangerous weakness could bring us down again. We really need enough of them to have realized that, and how, they were duped into turning on themselves to make a difference.

As for those who thought losing to Republicans would be better, or at least no worse, than electing a "corrupt corporatist" and those caught up in Hillary derangement syndrome,...they are what they are.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hortensis (Reply #31)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:23 AM

37. +1

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hortensis (Reply #31)

Tue May 18, 2021, 12:18 PM

52. +1!

There is literally NO excuse for anyone who is not a GQPer NOT to have voted for Hillary in 2016! NONE!

Those people are dead to me. It's tragic that their selfishness and stupidity have also caused harm and death to so many others ... and will continue to do so.

They KNEW BETTER. The very least they can do is to own their mistake, STFU and support those Democrats who are working very hard to try to mitigate the very real damage that has been done, in part because of their mistake.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)


Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Tue May 18, 2021, 01:17 AM

3. Most of them don't care about abortion rights and most likely are ok with taking it away

They aren't the left as they claim to be .

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JI7 (Reply #3)

Tue May 18, 2021, 01:44 AM

5. As noted by the absolute mysogny of the two men who started the group..

Oh ya, & the 'no big deal' attitude by those who ignored & excused the degrading 'Rape Fantasies' with a wave of their hand.

Women's legal rights were mocked & ignored rather than respected by that political faction.

The mysogony of Kulinski & Uyger & those they surrounded themselves to cash in big.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Tue May 18, 2021, 01:41 AM

4. Control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016 as well as the fate of Roe v. Wade

A vote for Jill Stein was a vote to overturn Roe V. Wade

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #4)

Tue May 18, 2021, 01:49 AM

7. K & R Thank You!

They all need to be named.
Called out & made public & made to wear & own their unforgiveable legacy to women, girls, lgbtq, & human rights.

But no doubt they're all capitalizing on the result of their failure with fundraising emails, as we speak.

Think it's time the FEC examines deeper, some of those small dollar donor private "grassroots" PACS.


I am heartsick by the fear of what is approaching with this SC decision.

They took it for granted & flat out campaigned against our one critical shot at a fair SC, to secure generations of effort to bring Roe v Wade & human rights to our nation.









Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Budi (Reply #7)

Tue May 18, 2021, 02:55 AM

14. well, you know -- because the 'party' just wasn't listening ...

Taking the left for granted ... Needed to be taught a lesson ... Clintons too cozy with ... And yada, yada, yada.

----- ----- ------

Please! Just STFU ! -- while I attempt to rinse the ick out of my mouth!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #4)

Tue May 18, 2021, 02:12 AM

8. Yes indeed. I argued and argued that point, here and elsewhere. "Our side" can be very blind...

The worst kind is willfull blindness.


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #4)

Tue May 18, 2021, 02:34 AM

11. Exactly. It was unforgivable. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Tue May 18, 2021, 02:15 AM

9. Don't be fooled The electoral college it still to blame

Trump won by about 40 k give or take in 3 states and Biden flipped it back in 20, Biden won by 7 million total and yet it could have easily flipped.

I didn't vote for Hilary (live in Oregon, she already won here by the time my vote was counted) She would have been a great president but I truly feel the Repubs would have tried even harder then they did Obama to take her down.

The electoral college is still the problem.

Never forget
Kav, Roberts and Barrett had a role in Bush V Gore

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RANDYWILDMAN (Reply #9)

Tue May 18, 2021, 02:28 AM

10. "Kav, Roberts and Barrett had a role in Bush V Gore"

Yes they did. Thanks for that reminder.

They did all have a role in Bush v Gore, as did 3rd Party fringe spoilers, like Nader.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RANDYWILDMAN (Reply #9)

Tue May 18, 2021, 02:59 AM

16. EC is an Achilles heel for sure

But I think it's pretty well established that 'not Hillary' votes could have swung the electoral college for us as well.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RANDYWILDMAN (Reply #9)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:30 AM

43. True but wasn't Orange Hitler's margin of victory

fewer votes in some of the swing states than the votes for 3rd parties? And that does not even count nonvoters.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Tue May 18, 2021, 02:35 AM

12. Colin Kaepernick is some kind of hero here, but he didn't vote for Hillary.

He said she and the former guy were the same.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Treefrog (Reply #12)

Tue May 18, 2021, 03:03 AM

18. I appreciate Kaepernick for what he's done.

Never considered him anything like a political leader (or oracle). The statement you illustrate is about as stupid as stupid can be. Case closed.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Treefrog (Reply #12)

Tue May 18, 2021, 03:12 AM

19. Colin was wrong about that

as were many others who couldn't vote for Clinton. My biggest concern about Hillary, for whom I voted, was that the Rethugs were going to try to impeach her on day 1 because they believed all the bullshit stories about her. Hillary had too much baggage (much of it stuff made up by the Rethugs) for some people to vote for her. Jeezus, they had so many hearings about Benghazi and talked about Benghazi so much that even some democrats started to wonder what it was all about.

Now we have to live with a 6-3 Supreme Court, for which I put more blame on the Rethugs, especially that human piece of shit Mitch McConnell. Mitch is as much to blame as Trump for the crisis of democracy we're dealing with. This shit is why we can't have nice things.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Redleg (Reply #19)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:27 AM

40. Sorry, no excuses for those supposedly on our side who didn't vote for Hillary...Mitch could

not have packed anything without their help. I wonder if our Republic can even survive their treachery.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Treefrog (Reply #12)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:28 AM

41. I was unaware of that...then he too bears responsibility for Trump...and the 700,000 dead

Americans.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Treefrog (Reply #12)

Tue May 18, 2021, 12:59 PM

53. Twenty years of the RW spewing lies about Hillary took its toll.

It didn't help that registered voters who identified as Democrats and independents were more likely than Republicans to stay home.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Tue May 18, 2021, 02:51 AM

13. Just curious

What is the objective of your post?

Guilting?

Attempt to make yourself feel better by blaming others?

If itís either of these two, do you think you will accomplish it with this approach?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NJCher (Reply #13)

Tue May 18, 2021, 03:18 AM

23. it matters, who people vote for AND who they don't vote fo

maybe THAT is the point

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Skittles (Reply #23)

Tue May 18, 2021, 03:34 AM

24. My point is about the efficacy of such an approach.

Do you think this is a way that will convince people?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NJCher (Reply #24)

Tue May 18, 2021, 03:36 AM

25. maybe not

but FUCK THEM anyways, they need to hear it

600,000 people dead and for WHAT? In my mind, pure sexism

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Skittles (Reply #25)

Tue May 18, 2021, 03:48 AM

26. Ok, well, then

I think it would just be better to be honest and say what you just said.

However, do not think for a moment they will see the error of their ways.




Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NJCher (Reply #26)

Tue May 18, 2021, 03:51 AM

27. like I said, fuck them

sideways and to hell and back

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Skittles (Reply #27)


Response to hamsterjill (Reply #30)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:18 AM

33. And that many of those were the same people . So these people have an agenda

and it's NOT about moving left .

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to hamsterjill (Reply #30)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:30 AM

42. fyi

And why are you having to explain why you posted this? We all get it.

she didn't post it. Stinky the Clown is the OP.

And it's not a question about why the post, it's a question about what one is trying to achieve.

If you're angry and just want to blow off steam, just say so. Don't couch it in some other type of communication that is not honest. Just say, "I'm mad;" don't wimp out and blame it on someone to justify your anger.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NJCher (Reply #42)


Response to hamsterjill (Reply #48)

Tue May 18, 2021, 04:18 PM

55. damn straight

I am still very angry indeed. I hope those people know that they helped to install Donald Fucking Trump, and hundreds of thousands of people have paid for that with their LIVES.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NJCher (Reply #26)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:19 AM

34. It's about calling out their bs . They aren't misguided types . They have an agenda

and it's to help republicans win. Many who did it in 2000 did it again in 2016

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JI7 (Reply #34)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:33 AM

44. who is "they"?

and how do you know what anyone's motive is? Can you get inside their head and say what it is? If you can, please tell me how you do that.

People ascribe motive often, but to people who know the rules of argumentation, it's considered amateurish.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NJCher (Reply #44)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:44 AM

47. Yes, Iknow their motive.Many of them ended up supporting Donald Trump . Glen Greenwald is one of the

more obvious public ones.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JI7 (Reply #47)

Tue May 18, 2021, 10:53 AM

50. that's just one person

wouldn't it be better to write to him directly or publish and open letter to him? He's not going to see this post nor will he know that you think he's at fault. Or do an open letter and publish it somewhere that a lot of people will see it, thus calling into question his judgment.

It does make a difference. I have often directly contacted columnists, opinion writers, and the like about the error of their past positions. Surprisingly, they have been pretty open about admitting their mistakes, or at least what I perceive as their mistakes.

All I'm bringing up is a better way to channel energy. I would just like to see people channel it constructively instead of wasting time grousing on a board where they are preaching to the choir.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NJCher (Reply #50)

Tue May 18, 2021, 11:35 AM

51. No, it was many more.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JI7 (Reply #51)

Tue May 18, 2021, 02:44 PM

54. sure

but you only listed one.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JI7 (Reply #34)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:37 AM

46. +1

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NJCher (Reply #24)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:23 AM

36. Democrats should not need to be convinced. After the primary there are only two choices-

a Democrat and a Republican (third parties are merely a way to cause us to lose usually). The choice should be easy. Given the GOP's behavior, any Democrat is better than any Republican. If Democrats don't start showing party loyalty, we are not only going to lose elections but we are going to lose our Republic.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NJCher (Reply #13)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:25 AM

39. Those who did not vote for Hillary should feel guilt for the rest of their days...we

are approaching 700,000 dead, a packed SCOTUS, and new Jim Crow laws in the states. I feel the same about those who did not vote for Gore.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Tue May 18, 2021, 02:56 AM

15. And the excuses were so stupid.

She was paid for a speech.

Money contributed by people working for corporations or financial institutions is corrupting. Fundraising is corrupting. PACs wanting to elect Democrats, all lobbyists are corrupt (even those who lobby for environmental protections and green energy, etc., apparently). Democrats "take" money from the donor class, billionaires and corporations and Wall Street -- bribed to stop anything progressive (ignore their goal of repealing Citizens United, taxing the wealthy and corporations, regulating Wall Street). All that money goes straight into their pockets, not to, like, pay for things. All dysfunction in government comes from money in politics, obstructionist Republicans have nothing to do with it. Democrats are the true roadblock to progressive legislation (Michael Moore).

She used the word "super-predator" in 1996 to describe drug cartels, gangs and the mob and people believed the lie that she said it in 1994 to support the crime bill then and that it was racist, that Hillary was personally responsible for putting everyone in jail because she's racist (heard that one a lot, Russians really liked it).

Unlikeable, inauthentic, shrill, overconfident, arrogant, gravely ill, wearing a full body brace.

"80% of her supporters are paid shills," echo chamber, cheerleaders, stupid: personal attacks. Trump supporters were merely nice people suffering from economic insecurity.

Can't be trusted/liar (when Hillary was judged to be the most honest of all candidates in 2016).

Didn't talk about jobs (when the most frequent word in her speeches was the word "jobs" ), only ran as "not Trump" and had no message, only ran as a woman because of "identity politics."

Establishment, status quo, neoliberal, centrist, donor class, liberal elite, coastal elite, Third Way, incrementalism, milquetoast, conservadem, complacent, corporatist, 1%, Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, oligarchs, won't fight for anything.

Clinton Foundation as corrupt for collecting "many dollars from foreign governments which are dictatorships."

The DNC apparently is a powerful diabolical group that rigs everything so Democrats are evil, corrupt and bad.

Vote my conscience, send a message, hold feet to the fire, lesser of two evils (while insisting the idiom doesn't mean that Hillary is evil), hold my nose, speak truth to power, voting as an expression of personality or brand rather than a civic duty.

Insisting everything's about policy but attacking character: corrupt and immoral, warmonger, more dangerous than Trump.

90s trade deals caused changes in manufacturing jobs, not automation and the choices of corporations. All Democrats fault!

The myth that Democrats have shifted right for 40 years and hate the working class and unions (ignore the most progressive platforms in history of Obama, Hillary Clinton, Biden).

Something called the "Clinton Machine."

All incredibly stupid. And there's so much more!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to betsuni (Reply #15)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:24 AM

38. EXCELLENT overview summary!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #38)

Tue May 18, 2021, 09:05 AM

49. Thank you. There's so much more, it's incredibly stupid.

The best books about the lies that I know of so far are Steven Stoft's "Ripped Apart, How Democrats Can Fight Polarization to Win" (can be read online at Google Books) and Susan Bordo's "The Destruction of Hillary Clinton" (she has another more recently published book about lies that I want to order soon).

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to betsuni (Reply #15)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:34 AM

45. +1 million zillion

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Tue May 18, 2021, 03:00 AM

17. Happy NOW?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Tue May 18, 2021, 03:17 AM

22. it makes me sick to think about

even a lot of Democrats fell for much of the anti-Hillary propaganda

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Tue May 18, 2021, 06:55 AM

28. Not just there .. in 2010 dems were gonna show President obama

For not recinding dadt fast enough and because Gitmo wasnt closed ...

When you sit out elections you lose ... now here comes 2022

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #28)

Tue May 18, 2021, 07:33 AM

29. A guy here claimed to have moved to another country at the end of 2009

because he was so disappointed with President Obama. Not true of course, he had moved before Obama became president. It was just the hip and cool thing to do.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:17 AM

32. People like Susan Sarandon and Nina Turner who is running for congress in Ohio...

we must not allow this GOP colluding person to win. She is not a Democrat and is using the party to advance her career...show her the door. Also Democrats and/or progressives, any who didn't vote for Hillary- period- are responsible for all the horror we have faced and the horror that is yet to come from a right-wing court...it was the same with Gore. I would include Kerry who was attacked during the primary and never really recovered.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Tue May 18, 2021, 08:20 AM

35. Kick

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread