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These UFO revelations are spooky and disturbing (Original Post) jpak May 2021 OP
why? JohnSJ May 2021 #1
They aren't Ours jpak May 2021 #6
Could be ours? bluestarone May 2021 #8
Probably not ours Beaverhausen May 2021 #36
You have no idea whether or not we've invented it yet obamanut2012 May 2021 #50
MACH 18 Beaverhausen May 2021 #59
Ok qazplm135 May 2021 #140
I believe bdamomma May 2021 #9
the ones in the vid on CNN I just saw were from 2004, lolol Celerity May 2021 #131
Great, now the bastard has a time machine? Ligyron May 2021 #149
Not aliens though! Nt USALiberal May 2021 #58
Afraid of what? WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #2
Apparently details or any type of explanation to start. Bleacher Creature May 2021 #26
+1... myohmy2 May 2021 #91
What ever operates them has technology we don't have jpak May 2021 #93
Unless it's us. Iggo May 2021 #108
They are detected there because that is where we have the technology to find them. gldstwmn May 2021 #109
They are off the East and West Coasts and Guam jpak May 2021 #110
Well maybe they will destroy our planet before... jcgoldie May 2021 #3
Hard to think "they'd" succeed before we do. hlthe2b May 2021 #5
Maybe they are more enlightened and evolved cilla4progress May 2021 #4
That's what I think; or maybe they're just studying us(neither benevolent nor malevalent). triron May 2021 #89
That's the approach I'm taking yonder May 2021 #120
I'll just add it to my growing list of things to worry about. Ocelot II May 2021 #7
Jumping worms should be fear number 1 jpak May 2021 #16
And: Disaffected May 2021 #27
Guilty of all three jpak May 2021 #28
And Asian Murder Hornets leftyladyfrommo May 2021 #75
Jumping worms? nt LAS14 May 2021 #78
Bad, invasive critters - they ruin topsoil. Ocelot II May 2021 #79
Oh, gee..... Thanks for the info.... not. :-( nt LAS14 May 2021 #80
The only thing worrying about aliens visiting us... joshcryer May 2021 #82
Jumping worms?? New one for me. yonder May 2021 #122
They're a real thing and a huge imported threat to our ecosystem. herding cats May 2021 #128
Yes thanks, I just got back from looking around yonder May 2021 #132
That bit about our native earthworms is news to me. herding cats May 2021 #133
Here's one of the things I looked at: yonder May 2021 #138
You mean the revelation that they're unknown? brooklynite May 2021 #10
Maybe that's where what we call COVID-19 came from. Buns_of_Fire May 2021 #11
To be fair, they could have picked a deadlier bug. róisín_dubh May 2021 #139
Much better qazplm135 May 2021 #141
Don't be winetourdriver01 May 2021 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill May 2021 #22
Well, you asked for it.. winetourdriver01 May 2021 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill May 2021 #47
Ah, yes, derived from Die Glocke. lagomorph777 May 2021 #53
What would a new gravitational field have to do with speed, high acceleration, and water resistance? muriel_volestrangler May 2021 #152
We're being set up. LuvLoogie May 2021 #13
You think the aliens are conservatives? BannonsLiver May 2021 #41
No, but it seems that these revelations always come out when there are Democrats leading the country TheBlackAdder May 2021 #55
Interesting point that I had not considered BannonsLiver May 2021 #56
The current news stories are largely based on military info made public in 2017. highplainsdem May 2021 #146
Check this out. The Republicans are more tight-lipped. TheBlackAdder May 2021 #154
They may be greedy as opposed to altruistic. LuvLoogie May 2021 #92
If you watch The Weather Channel cyclonefence May 2021 #14
+1 chowder66 May 2021 #23
+1 chowder66 May 2021 #29
+1. Ball lightning was terrifying dalton99a May 2021 #38
Aliens actually run the Weather Channel. milestogo May 2021 #86
I've heard plausible explanations for all of the sightings. Oneironaut May 2021 #96
Just saw that San Diego footage, crazy stuff JuJuChen May 2021 #15
Ours... anotherOKIE May 2021 #17
Just wait till the govt admits alien abductions are real, then its game on! Shanti Shanti Shanti May 2021 #18
There have been strange aerial things reported for millenia The Blue Flower May 2021 #19
I agree with Vallee that we are witnessing the same phenomena folks have been seeing forever. Midnight Writer May 2021 #62
Meh Johnny2X2X May 2021 #20
Yup jpak May 2021 #33
not me. it's fascinating no matter what. The only thing that scares me are RWNJ NewHendoLib May 2021 #21
The possibilities are endless. good, the bad, wonderful, and ugly.. Stuart G May 2021 #24
It's Estimated That There... ruet May 2021 #30
Exactly. The idea that the earth is the only planet in the UNIVERSE to have intelligent life panader0 May 2021 #65
Here is the falicy in that argument edhopper May 2021 #73
"advanced enough to be peaceful." TxGuitar May 2021 #97
I'm old and don't know the reference. panader0 May 2021 #99
Sorry, Star Trek reference TxGuitar May 2021 #105
In this other OP on this subject I wondered if the aliens could be hostile. A great answer by JuJu: panader0 May 2021 #106
Not really qazplm135 May 2021 #142
I for one would find it monumental if it is aliens mvd May 2021 #111
Gen. James Clapper says report will be usual mixed bag. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #25
i have other things with a priority...keeping a roof over my head...food on the table etc HipChick May 2021 #31
Here is an explanation for some of the videos chowder66 May 2021 #32
Thanks edhopper May 2021 #48
Yes, Disaffected May 2021 #64
I found it pretty evident when watching the footage on the news. chowder66 May 2021 #69
A US cruiser (Princeton) tracked one of these objects on radar jpak May 2021 #94
The Lost Planet Oron has it in for us. Sneederbunk May 2021 #34
Most of these sightings don't seem to follow the laws of physics. mn9driver May 2021 #35
I would bet some sort of anti-gravity drive. roamer65 May 2021 #40
"anti-gravity" would enable an object to climb as easily as go sideways, or to float muriel_volestrangler May 2021 #153
A lot of them are Disaffected May 2021 #43
Marfa Lights jpak May 2021 #49
None of us here know what we have and don't have BannonsLiver May 2021 #44
How do you know that tech doesn't exist? obamanut2012 May 2021 #52
That's a logical fallacy. Disaffected May 2021 #60
Because rewriting the laws of physics in complete secrecy is not feasible muriel_volestrangler May 2021 #155
The F-35 qazplm135 May 2021 #143
The F-35 obeys the laws of physics that have been known since Newton muriel_volestrangler May 2021 #156
CGI qazplm135 May 2021 #159
Do you mean that you think the USA is secretly testing astounding technology muriel_volestrangler May 2021 #161
They're just surveillance ships from Wakanda. Buckeye_Democrat May 2021 #37
It's the Kodan Armada BannonsLiver May 2021 #39
I think it is China or the Russians. applegrove May 2021 #42
I think it's leprechauns in rocket suits. Disaffected May 2021 #61
Perhaps there's an advanced underwater society hidden under the ocean Polybius May 2021 #45
So was Operation Skyhook obamanut2012 May 2021 #51
I'm sure it's real. NurseJackie May 2021 #54
I am a leaf on the wind... Jedi Guy May 2021 #84
It's been renewed for a 2nd season, I believe. NurseJackie May 2021 #88
Why would alien civilizations bother visiting Earth? FakeNoose May 2021 #57
Fresh DNA, every ancient culture has stories of sky gods coming down and mating with earth girls Shanti Shanti Shanti May 2021 #63
Curiosity ... insatiable curiosity Earth-shine May 2021 #66
Sport. BannonsLiver May 2021 #83
Appetizers? nt Buns_of_Fire May 2021 #90
Same reason we do JI7 May 2021 #103
Maybe to test drive the new electric F-150 pickup truck. oasis May 2021 #118
If we can imagine traveling the universe in search of other intelligent life, why can't they? n/t Akoto May 2021 #162
eSkeptic (Mick West) has some things to say about it frogmarch May 2021 #67
Beat me to posting this edhopper May 2021 #70
Obama just gave an interview qazplm135 May 2021 #144
Weather balloons have instrument packages and a parachute jpak May 2021 #151
I'm really going ezgoingrl May 2021 #68
What's disturbing about the fact that something you see is unidentified? brooklynite May 2021 #71
First, ya gotta give me a concrete reason to be afraid. Iggo May 2021 #72
BE VERY AFRAID!!! nt RegularJam May 2021 #74
2 billion people walking around with a camera edhopper May 2021 #76
I just read that we are really in a zoo and the aliens leftyladyfrommo May 2021 #77
No they are not! nt USALiberal May 2021 #81
They don't do anything besides show off. eShirl May 2021 #85
I Want To Believe. Cafe Cat May 2021 #87
They have been here for a long time if it is real. They haven't killed us yet. Irish_Dem May 2021 #95
I find them exciting and interesting. For whatever purpose, they are real. elevator May 2021 #98
Links or it didn't happen. Politicub May 2021 #102
Post removed Post removed May 2021 #121
That's fine. I was fairly certain you would not have any sources to Politicub May 2021 #150
Are they though? I feel like this story rears it's head every few years... Politicub May 2021 #100
Afraid of what? gldstwmn May 2021 #101
See post 93 jpak May 2021 #104
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex May 2021 #107
For such a major revelation it doesn't seem to be impacting the news I'm reading Silent3 May 2021 #112
the belief that WE are the only (relatively) intelligent life in the galaxy is... WarGamer May 2021 #113
The voices in my head led me here dweller May 2021 #114
LOL jpak May 2021 #116
Me sleep txting dweller May 2021 #119
I was in the Navy, photographer, I never saw this phenomena nor did Shellback Squid May 2021 #115
I spent 2years of my life at sea including a research cruise from Barrow AK to the Ross Sea jpak May 2021 #117
yup, it's a shiny object to distract Shellback Squid May 2021 #123
Well I guess that settles it then. Really? elevator May 2021 #124
yes, that's what I said Shellback Squid May 2021 #126
Post removed Post removed May 2021 #127
lol Shellback Squid May 2021 #129
You might find that finding out about things you don't understand is beneficial elevator May 2021 #136
I'm not "most" and you made my point, thank you Shellback Squid May 2021 #137
This message was self-deleted by its author elevator May 2021 #125
Here's what Chief Delbert Newhouse filmed -- on dry land in 1952. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #148
Likely from Russia or China rather than another world. nt Quixote1818 May 2021 #130
That case would certainly be something to fear. elevator May 2021 #134
hmm ... dweller May 2021 #135
I agree, I find it spooky, disturbing and scary 😱 Raine May 2021 #145
And how did you jump from "there are unidentified flying objects" to "aliens"? brooklynite May 2021 #147
UFO stories are for the trumpers Chakaconcarne May 2021 #157
I'm no trumper. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #158
Are you denying UFO'S exist? BradAllison May 2021 #160

Beaverhausen

(24,472 posts)
59. MACH 18
Tue May 18, 2021, 02:38 PM
May 2021

That is how fast the tic tac craft traveled without making a sonic boom.

It took 160 degree turns without creating a fireball.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
140. Ok
Wed May 19, 2021, 03:56 AM
May 2021

And?

It's not outside the realm of possibility that it's ours. It's much more likely to be ours than anyone else's, or alien.

bdamomma

(63,922 posts)
9. I believe
Tue May 18, 2021, 10:28 AM
May 2021

they are Russian, tRump gave our security secrets away to Putin, not so secret anymore.

jpak

(41,759 posts)
93. What ever operates them has technology we don't have
Tue May 18, 2021, 08:10 PM
May 2021

And the fact they operate near US warships, naval aviation and missile defense sites (Guam) suggests they might not be benign.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
109. They are detected there because that is where we have the technology to find them.
Tue May 18, 2021, 10:22 PM
May 2021

They are most likely everywhere.

jpak

(41,759 posts)
110. They are off the East and West Coasts and Guam
Tue May 18, 2021, 10:46 PM
May 2021

So they can travel long distances and appear to loiter for long periods of time.

Spooky stuff

Yup

jcgoldie

(11,645 posts)
3. Well maybe they will destroy our planet before...
Tue May 18, 2021, 10:22 AM
May 2021

...we do. At least then we'd have a fighting chance...

triron

(22,020 posts)
89. That's what I think; or maybe they're just studying us(neither benevolent nor malevalent).
Tue May 18, 2021, 07:28 PM
May 2021

I think there's evidence they've been visiting for probably thousands of years (at least).
After all the universe is nearly 14 billion years old and our sun is maybe 5 billion.

yonder

(9,674 posts)
120. That's the approach I'm taking
Wed May 19, 2021, 01:00 AM
May 2021

if they are really a "they" and not an "us". I'm pretty much agnostic in this regard but have always entertained possibilities of weird stuff out there.

Ocelot II

(115,836 posts)
7. I'll just add it to my growing list of things to worry about.
Tue May 18, 2021, 10:28 AM
May 2021

Climate change
Covid
White nationalists/the GOP
Murder hornets
Jumping worms
UFOs

jpak

(41,759 posts)
16. Jumping worms should be fear number 1
Tue May 18, 2021, 10:54 AM
May 2021

Ecosystem killers

UFOs are just spooky right now.

Maybe not later...

Ugh

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
82. The only thing worrying about aliens visiting us...
Tue May 18, 2021, 06:03 PM
May 2021

...is that there are no signs of mass scale colonization of the galaxy. Why the fuck would they care, and, more importantly, why the fuck aren't we mass colonizing? You could see it as a good sign, as though they've tapped into something that is far beyond our knowledge, but it could also mean that we will never have our own agency, because they already have decided the universe is theirs, and no mass colonization is allowed. That is, the great filter is ahead of us.

herding cats

(19,567 posts)
128. They're a real thing and a huge imported threat to our ecosystem.
Wed May 19, 2021, 01:19 AM
May 2021
Highly Invasive Jumping Worms Have Spread to 15 States
The invertebrate depletes topsoil of nutrients and makes it difficult for fungi and plants to grow

The highly invasive jumping worm, a genus introduced from eastern Asia, now writhes within the topsoil of more than a dozen states in the Midwest. After jumping worms feed their insatiable appetites, they leave behind loose, granular soil the texture of coffee grounds. This altered soil can no longer retain moisture, lacks nutrients and quickly erodes, jeopardizing gardens and forest ecosystems, reports Will Cushman for PBS Wisconsin.

The jumping worms may have been brought to North America in the 19th century with plants and other imported horticultural and agricultural materials. Since then, the worms have spread. As of 2021, the invaders can be found in Wisconsin, Missouri, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Ohio, Texas, Louisiana, Indiana, Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee and Oklahoma, reports Jason Murdock for Newsweek.

The invasive worm resembles the more common European nightcrawler but is slightly smaller, a brownish color rather than pink and appears sleeker and smoother, reports Newsweek. The segmented invertebrates are also known as Asian jumping worms, crazy worms, Alabama jumpers and snake worms. As their various names suggest, the worms thrash and snap their bodies intensely like a rattlesnake when touched or held, can spring into the air and even shed their tail to escape, PBS Wisconsin reports.

The jumping worm's ability to reproduce without mating, proliferate quickly and lay eggs that resemble the soil are a few qualities that make the worm extremely invasive, reported Cindy Dampier for the Chicago Tribune. As the worm rapidly depletes topsoil of all nutrients, it outcompetes native fungi species and other non-native worm species, PBS Wisconsin reports. As a result, native plants in the Midwest that once grabbed hold of the region's heavy clay topsoil may have a harder time growing. "Plants need that layer in order to germinate," says Brad Herrick, an ecologist at the University of Wisconsin to the Chicago Tribune, "and trees need it in order to survive."
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/highly-invasive-jumping-worms-have-spread-15-us-states-180977566/


That's a decent primer on their threat here.



yonder

(9,674 posts)
132. Yes thanks, I just got back from looking around
Wed May 19, 2021, 01:30 AM
May 2021

where I also found regular ol earthworms aren't necessarily good either....despite everything I've ever heard.

herding cats

(19,567 posts)
133. That bit about our native earthworms is news to me.
Wed May 19, 2021, 01:34 AM
May 2021

I've never heard it before.

As an avid organic master gardener I'd like to learn more.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,194 posts)
11. Maybe that's where what we call COVID-19 came from.
Tue May 18, 2021, 10:29 AM
May 2021

Like a big shot of Raid to kill off the human infestation before the new owners move in.

róisín_dubh

(11,797 posts)
139. To be fair, they could have picked a deadlier bug.
Wed May 19, 2021, 02:24 AM
May 2021

Not to minimise those who’ve died at all...but this isn’t the Bubonic Plague.

 

winetourdriver01

(1,154 posts)
12. Don't be
Tue May 18, 2021, 10:30 AM
May 2021

They are ours, our masters just haven't admitted it yet. The tech is old, it will be in general use soon enough.

Response to winetourdriver01 (Reply #12)

 

winetourdriver01

(1,154 posts)
46. Well, you asked for it..
Tue May 18, 2021, 01:09 PM
May 2021

The story I heard is that the engine tech is called Mercury Vortex, and it creates it's own mini gravitational field, hence the ninety degree turns, amazing speed, and ability to move through water at speed. It's old tech, supposedly, but kept under wraps because it's also a totally clean energy source. Whatever is going on, I have a feeling it's all gonna be public, and soon. Mainly because the military (the Space Force) wants to go public with it.

Response to winetourdriver01 (Reply #46)

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
53. Ah, yes, derived from Die Glocke.
Tue May 18, 2021, 02:00 PM
May 2021
Nope. You can make a magnetic field with a spinning ball of liquid metal (Earth does, and it's been done in the lab). But it's not antigravity.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
152. What would a new gravitational field have to do with speed, high acceleration, and water resistance?
Wed May 19, 2021, 09:25 AM
May 2021

And why would being "totally clean" mean it was kept "under wraps" for ages? Being clean would mean they (whoever "they" are, in your scenario) would exploit it to produce energy without dependence on fossil fuels. Unless you're saying these UFOs are operated by Exxon ...

LuvLoogie

(7,028 posts)
13. We're being set up.
Tue May 18, 2021, 10:40 AM
May 2021

Liberals will be targeted. Political leaders, diplomats. Government personnel both civilian and military. Borg-like fascism. Except that the directive won't be to assimilate, but eliminate.

BannonsLiver

(16,448 posts)
41. You think the aliens are conservatives?
Tue May 18, 2021, 12:00 PM
May 2021

I’ve never given that idea much thought but it’s an interesting construct.

TheBlackAdder

(28,211 posts)
55. No, but it seems that these revelations always come out when there are Democrats leading the country
Tue May 18, 2021, 02:01 PM
May 2021

.

How many effing times have I heard this shit before?

It's cyclic. I wonder if it's to see if Dems bite at it or if it's used to keep Cons in a state of lunacy.

.

BannonsLiver

(16,448 posts)
56. Interesting point that I had not considered
Tue May 18, 2021, 02:02 PM
May 2021

I also remember a lot of this during the Clinton admin as well.

highplainsdem

(49,034 posts)
146. The current news stories are largely based on military info made public in 2017.
Wed May 19, 2021, 07:53 AM
May 2021

There should be more info released when the task force reports to Congress next month. The UAP task force that will issue the report was established last summer.

As for the two main incidents, the USS Nimitz incident was in 2004, during W's administration, and the USS Omaha incident was in 2019.

LuvLoogie

(7,028 posts)
92. They may be greedy as opposed to altruistic.
Tue May 18, 2021, 07:59 PM
May 2021

They are always on a quest for planets and resources to exploit, riding their species' curiosity and effort like it was a beast of burden.

Fed and watered, but ultimately ridden into the ground, or slaughtered at the trail's end.

cyclonefence

(4,483 posts)
14. If you watch The Weather Channel
Tue May 18, 2021, 10:47 AM
May 2021

some of these phenomena are addressed--they don't have an explanation, either--but there are strange things happening in the sky that have been figured out after years of study, things that turn out to be reasonable though extremely, extremely rare weather events, and I'm hoping that the UFOs turn out to be more of these. Lots of old "sightings" have turned out to be natural occurrences that we just didn't have the technology to explain at the time they were first seen.

Oneironaut

(5,524 posts)
96. I've heard plausible explanations for all of the sightings.
Tue May 18, 2021, 08:57 PM
May 2021

The most famous one, where it's a fast object moving along the ocean, is thought to be a weather balloon. It looks like it's going very fast, when it's actually moving at wind speed. There's a video debunking it around here somewhere.

Edit: Post #32

JuJuChen

(2,216 posts)
15. Just saw that San Diego footage, crazy stuff
Tue May 18, 2021, 10:48 AM
May 2021

and I'm in San Diego! If aliens wanted to do anything, they would have long ago

anotherOKIE

(90 posts)
17. Ours...
Tue May 18, 2021, 10:54 AM
May 2021

I don't know anything about their origin, but it would be a really good stealth weapon that lets one government take out another government's aircraft carriers and not bear any blame. I think I have heard on those UFO tv shows that the US military is decades ahead of where we the public would think they are.

The Blue Flower

(5,444 posts)
19. There have been strange aerial things reported for millenia
Tue May 18, 2021, 10:56 AM
May 2021

I recently read Wonders in the Sky by Jacques Vallee and Chris Aubeck. They list reports of odd aerial phenomena going back to 1460 BC in Lebanon. The only thing new here is that the authorities acknowledge sightings.

Midnight Writer

(21,795 posts)
62. I agree with Vallee that we are witnessing the same phenomena folks have been seeing forever.
Tue May 18, 2021, 03:00 PM
May 2021

The only reason this is making a splash is because it is on film and from an official source.

Sort of like police shooting non threatening folk. It has gone on forever, but now we have it on film often provided by the police themselves.

Johnny2X2X

(19,114 posts)
20. Meh
Tue May 18, 2021, 10:59 AM
May 2021

I still think it's extremely unlikely we're being visited by probes from other solar systems.

If a civilization had the technology for interstellar travel, the chances of them finding us in such a giant ocean of space are remote. There is other intelligent life in the Universe, that is a near certainty, there ability to find us is what's hard to accept.

And if they did find us, undoubtedly the first probes would be of robot nature, no need to send a life form this far.

Human kind will neve be physically fit for long space travel, unless we completely change our form physically. Human exploration of the Cosmos will likely consist of sending AIs to explore the universe. Just going to the international space station for a few months has tremendous effects on the human body. Living years or decades in space would destroy human tissue. To get anywhere we'd have to live generations in space.

And at some point we'll stop trying and simply send artificial life forms to do our exploring for us. ANd that will kind of be the same thing as we engineer our replacements.

NewHendoLib

(60,019 posts)
21. not me. it's fascinating no matter what. The only thing that scares me are RWNJ
Tue May 18, 2021, 11:03 AM
May 2021

Last edited Tue May 18, 2021, 11:56 AM - Edit history (1)

Stuart G

(38,445 posts)
24. The possibilities are endless. good, the bad, wonderful, and ugly..
Tue May 18, 2021, 11:08 AM
May 2021

As was pointed out...if a planet was just one hundred years ahead of us (in technological development)..who knows what those aliens have developed, or ...one thousand years ahead of us?

One more fact: There are literally tens of thousands of planets in our galaxy (maybe millions)...who knows what is there?...I believe it is real too...The aliens have already taken a look at us, and decided that we are an "If Planet"...............

An "If Planet" is one that might survive if it works out its problems, or might destroy itself, if it does NOT work out its problems....(my definition only, I have not talked to, or am an alien)..

ruet

(10,039 posts)
30. It's Estimated That There...
Tue May 18, 2021, 11:28 AM
May 2021

"could be as many as 40 billion Earth-sized planets orbiting in the habitable zones of Sun-like stars and red dwarfs in the Milky Way, 11 billion of which may be orbiting Sun-like stars."

That's just the Milky Way. To think that we are alone and at the top of the technology curve is silly.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
65. Exactly. The idea that the earth is the only planet in the UNIVERSE to have intelligent life
Tue May 18, 2021, 03:27 PM
May 2021

seems mathematically impossible to me. The nth degree of pompousness and self righteousness.
Personally, I think that any alien civilization that would be advanced enough to travel
to the earth would likely be also advanced enough to be peaceful.

edhopper

(33,615 posts)
73. Here is the falicy in that argument
Tue May 18, 2021, 04:29 PM
May 2021

whether there is other life in the Universe, even intelligent life, even technologically advanced intelligent life, has little or nothing to do with aliens visiting us, on this backwater arm of a spiral galaxy.

These are two different discussions.

After decades of searching, the absence of any radio transmission points to intelligent technological life being nearby, astronomically speaking, is rare in the least.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
99. I'm old and don't know the reference.
Tue May 18, 2021, 09:05 PM
May 2021

I just believe that the smarter you are, the more peaceful you become.

TxGuitar

(4,209 posts)
105. Sorry, Star Trek reference
Tue May 18, 2021, 09:17 PM
May 2021

Wiki:

The Borg are an alien group that appear as recurring antagonists in the Star Trek fictional universe. The Borg are cybernetic organisms linked in a hive mind called "the Collective". The Borg co-opt the technology and knowledge of other alien species to the Collective through the process of "assimilation": forcibly transforming individual beings into "drones" by injecting nanoprobes into their bodies and surgically augmenting them with cybernetic components. The Borg's ultimate goal is "achieving perfection"

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
142. Not really
Wed May 19, 2021, 04:01 AM
May 2021

One solution to the Fermi Paradox is that yes, we are one of the first, or, alternatively, that there are plenty of intelligent civilizations but only a few during any one period of time.

mvd

(65,180 posts)
111. I for one would find it monumental if it is aliens
Tue May 18, 2021, 11:34 PM
May 2021

Not sure that would be the good or bad kind. Who knows how you become when you develop that much. But there’s a chance they have been around but haven’t wanted to be known to the general population. Far from a sure thing, but the alien theory is possible.

Kid Berwyn

(14,953 posts)
25. Gen. James Clapper says report will be usual mixed bag.
Tue May 18, 2021, 11:14 AM
May 2021

We don’t know what they are. We need to study to do our job.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
31. i have other things with a priority...keeping a roof over my head...food on the table etc
Tue May 18, 2021, 11:28 AM
May 2021

to be bothered about aliens...

they have been around on planet for eons...

I don't hold any hope for mankind to evolve any time soon..

Imagine goverments having to admit there is something out there, they do not have the power or technology to destroy ..or keep us safe

chowder66

(9,080 posts)
69. I found it pretty evident when watching the footage on the news.
Tue May 18, 2021, 04:13 PM
May 2021

You can tell it has something to do with the camera's. I wouldn't be able to tell you why I thought that though. It just seemed logical.

Just the fact alone that the images are always blurry or distant is one clue but another clue is that NASA and the majority of scientists aren't going batshit crazy with excitement.

It's nice that this man has taken the time to make videos, do the calculations and experiments to explain the why's and how's of this.

jpak

(41,759 posts)
94. A US cruiser (Princeton) tracked one of these objects on radar
Tue May 18, 2021, 08:49 PM
May 2021

Moving at high speed and altitude.

One also dropped into the ocean as well

mn9driver

(4,428 posts)
35. Most of these sightings don't seem to follow the laws of physics.
Tue May 18, 2021, 11:41 AM
May 2021

They accelerate, slow down, and change direction too quickly, and with no observable propulsion or control surfaces. That kind of technology doesn’t exist. We don’t have it, the Chinese don’t have it and the Russians don’t have it. Just look at the total shitshow that is the F-35 if you’re wondering.

Since these things do things that physical objects cannot do, they are unlikely to be physical objects. What exactly they are, I cannot say. Holograms? Who knows? I sure don’t.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
153. "anti-gravity" would enable an object to climb as easily as go sideways, or to float
Wed May 19, 2021, 09:41 AM
May 2021

It would not enable it to make sharp turns (which is about overcoming inertia). So why would "anti-gravity", whatever that means, be involved?

Disaffected

(4,568 posts)
43. A lot of them are
Tue May 18, 2021, 12:02 PM
May 2021

caused by unusual refraction or reflection in the atmosphere of distant illuminated objects such as bright planets, aircraft landing lights etc. They are not therefore physical objects per sec but simply light darting about and/or travelling at apparently v high speed.

There was a place in Texas IIRC, actually atop a mesa, where folks used to go at night to observe "UFOs" apparently flying above the distant horizon. Turned out they were cause by atmospheric refraction of the headlights of a train locomotive which was travelling at a location below the horizon.

The "evidence" regarding UFOs has always been hazy and inconclusive. The chances they are caused by aliens, whether worldly or not, are so remote as to be negligible.

BannonsLiver

(16,448 posts)
44. None of us here know what we have and don't have
Tue May 18, 2021, 12:03 PM
May 2021

You mentioned the F35. Fair enough. But wake me up when one of these “case closed” videos is at least 1080p. Instead, they’re always weird, grainy, super low def images in an era where everyone has an HD cam in their pocket.

Disaffected

(4,568 posts)
60. That's a logical fallacy.
Tue May 18, 2021, 02:49 PM
May 2021

Don't expect someone to prove a negative. The actual question is, how do you know it ("that tech&quot does?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
155. Because rewriting the laws of physics in complete secrecy is not feasible
Wed May 19, 2021, 09:51 AM
May 2021

There is no indication, from any academic source, that there are huge flaws in our understanding of physics at the macro level that could possibly be observed on Earth. For the films to show such things would mean that, in total secrecy, one unknown entity has both found the huge flaws in theory (of the order of comparing a horse-drawn chariot to a space rocket - something it previously took us 4 millennia of development to do, as an interconnected world), and then, without any interaction with the rest of the world, been able to build an entire new technology and used it for ... sending some drones zipping around the ocean. Not, you know, solving the world's energy problems (if benign), or making one country the complete master of the world (if malign).

It's not just the laws of physics that would need rewriting, it's the laws of human nature.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
143. The F-35
Wed May 19, 2021, 04:05 AM
May 2021

Is based off design principles from the 90s. The first flight of the X-35 was 21 years ago.

We don't know what prototypes are out there now.
I don't think it's aliens but I also don't think it's all just weather balloons and light tricks.

I think it's prototype tech the US is testing and what better way than against the most advanced forces... namely us.

I don't think it's breaking any laws if physics, it could be drone tech combined with the ability to screw with sensors.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
156. The F-35 obeys the laws of physics that have been known since Newton
Wed May 19, 2021, 09:59 AM
May 2021

and uses for propulsion the expansion of gases worked out in the 19th century. Its electronics obey laws explained by Maxwell in the 19th century, and use semiconductor technology developed in the mid 20th century. The most recent development is the 'stealth radar' stuff.

If you think it's the US with the ability to "screw with sensors", consider this simpler scenario: it's the US with the ability to say "wow, we don't know what this is!!!!", when in fact it's not anything special. And. if you really think the videos show something new, the ability to do a little light CGI, like Hollywood does every day?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
161. Do you mean that you think the USA is secretly testing astounding technology
Wed May 19, 2021, 02:04 PM
May 2021

and lying to all its pilots and citizens about it, but is incapable of finding a couple of pilots who would take part in a project that involves lying to the other pilots and all the citizens?

Do you place pilots in some special class of federal employee that is incapable of lying, perhaps?

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,857 posts)
37. They're just surveillance ships from Wakanda.
Tue May 18, 2021, 11:52 AM
May 2021

The secret civilization of Black Panther in Africa.



That rumor should get the MAGAts worked up!

As for the Navy videos, I'm still waiting for non-blurry recordings!

Polybius

(15,476 posts)
45. Perhaps there's an advanced underwater society hidden under the ocean
Tue May 18, 2021, 12:25 PM
May 2021

Maybe they never came from outer space in the first place. Acceding the speed of light or warp drives or wormholes may just be impossible. The UFO's seem to be going into the water.

FakeNoose

(32,748 posts)
57. Why would alien civilizations bother visiting Earth?
Tue May 18, 2021, 02:14 PM
May 2021

We're so far out in the "boondocks" of the Milky Way Galaxy, that it's not worth the energy expenditure or the time for them to get here. Our atmosphere (and our pollution) is no-doubt toxic to them. It hardly seems worth the trouble, and all we're going to do is nuke them anyway.

 

Shanti Shanti Shanti

(12,047 posts)
63. Fresh DNA, every ancient culture has stories of sky gods coming down and mating with earth girls
Tue May 18, 2021, 03:01 PM
May 2021

The alien hybrid breeding program has been going on for thousand of years.

The filthy alien scum are coming for the eggsacs of our women!

 

Earth-shine

(4,044 posts)
66. Curiosity ... insatiable curiosity
Tue May 18, 2021, 03:31 PM
May 2021

That's what Mr. Spock said about why the V'ger probe was coming to Earth in Star Trek The Motion Picture. (Just saw the movie.)

Insatiable curiosity will drive *us* to the stars.

Akoto

(4,267 posts)
162. If we can imagine traveling the universe in search of other intelligent life, why can't they? n/t
Wed May 19, 2021, 02:56 PM
May 2021

frogmarch

(12,158 posts)
67. eSkeptic (Mick West) has some things to say about it
Tue May 18, 2021, 03:41 PM
May 2021
https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/21-05-18/?mc_cid=1220582612&mc_eid=029789260f

Snip:

First, we see “Go Fast”, a video presented as showing an incredibly fast craft skimming low over the ocean. But if you do the very simple trigonometry invited by the numbers on screen, it turns out to be something far above the surface and moving at a speed that matches the wind at that altitude, making it almost certainly just a balloon. Yet the 60 Minutes host, the highly respected journalist Bill Whitaker, repeats Elizondo’s baseless claim that it’s “fast moving.”

Next we see a more recent video, the green flashing triangle. Initially very impressive, it shows a triangular shaped object moving across the sky, filmed with a night vision device from a Navy ship. But then you notice the flashing light that, as I demonstrated in a video posted at Metabunk, perfectly matches the pattern of blinking lights on a commercial plane like a Boeing 737. A little research reveals that some night-vision devices have a triangular aperture (see my analysis at Metabunk). When the device is slightly out of focus then a plane flying overhead looks exactly like this flying triangle. The case was effectively closed when other triangles in the scene were identified as stars. Yet we are told “the Pentagon admits it doesn’t know what in the world it is.” It’s pretty obvious what it is once you match the UAP blinking triangle to that of commercial airliners.


qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
144. Obama just gave an interview
Wed May 19, 2021, 04:16 AM
May 2021

Where he basically said, there's stuff out there we don't understand. Now, I don't think he's jerking us around. I also don't think it's aliens mind you, but trying to explain every single one of these sightings as simply explained as passenger liners or weather balloons seems a bit strained.

The pilots were flying above the tic tac, one circled while the other flew down to it. Seems unlikely it was "far above the surface" unless these pilots are straight up lying or incompetent.

Again I think this is human tech, it's not aliens, it's not underwater civ and it's not breaking any laws of physics, but it's something more than weather balloons.

Iggo

(47,565 posts)
72. First, ya gotta give me a concrete reason to be afraid.
Tue May 18, 2021, 04:28 PM
May 2021

Until then, the default culprit for flying machines on Earth is humans.

edhopper

(33,615 posts)
76. 2 billion people walking around with a camera
Tue May 18, 2021, 04:45 PM
May 2021

and still no good photo or video of an alien spacecraft.

 

elevator

(415 posts)
98. I find them exciting and interesting. For whatever purpose, they are real.
Tue May 18, 2021, 09:02 PM
May 2021

The tired hominem repeated whenever this subject is reported about how many cameras are in people's hands now, and yet, there are no clear photos. That is just bs. There are photos posted regularly, on a plethora of sites, that often clearly show objects that are in not a known type of aircraft. The propulsion systems are undetectable and the flight capabilities almost miraculous. It is always claimed that these photos are manipulated. No doubt many are, maybe even most, but that is unlikely. That leaves a number, to large to ignore, that are hard, physical evidence, and basically indisputable proof of these objects.

Once proved to exist, then the questions start to multiply. 1) Who's technology is it. And as I see it, there are two choices. An incredible, world changing means of generating power has been developed by people. 2) An incredible, miraculous source of energy is possessed by alien beings. And it is being used, by them, to power these objects that are recorded, and seen, by military and commercial pilots thousands of credible people yearly. There are dozens of startling photographs and films of the objects dating back to the 1930s. There is small chance these photos and films were enhanced, as many appeared in newspapers around the globe soon after they were taken. The technology did not exist at that time to allow for altering films and photos, especially in a short time. There are paintings throughout the past several millinnea depicting engineered objects.

Many people enjoy a good mystery story. The question, as always, is whodunnit. The truth, finally revealed, in either of the two alternatives, or a combination of both is world changing.

Another question is, if they are alien craft, what purpose are they serving.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
102. Links or it didn't happen.
Tue May 18, 2021, 09:09 PM
May 2021
There are photos posted regularly, on a plethora of sites, that often clearly show objects that are in not a known type of aircraft.


Care to share which sites you are referring to?

Response to Politicub (Reply #102)

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
100. Are they though? I feel like this story rears it's head every few years...
Tue May 18, 2021, 09:05 PM
May 2021

compete with grainy black-and-white footage and something something military.

Response to jpak (Original post)

Silent3

(15,265 posts)
112. For such a major revelation it doesn't seem to be impacting the news I'm reading
Wed May 19, 2021, 12:08 AM
May 2021

Almost as if it's a nothing burger.

WarGamer

(12,483 posts)
113. the belief that WE are the only (relatively) intelligent life in the galaxy is...
Wed May 19, 2021, 12:15 AM
May 2021

incredibly arrogant, short sighted and ignorant.

MATH says we're not alone.

dweller

(23,661 posts)
114. The voices in my head led me here
Wed May 19, 2021, 12:39 AM
May 2021

Dr. Arcturus gave me pills for it, so I’m taking 1 now ...
💤

✌🏻

Shellback Squid

(8,926 posts)
115. I was in the Navy, photographer, I never saw this phenomena nor did
Wed May 19, 2021, 12:39 AM
May 2021

with anyone else in the crew was it recorded, when you're at sea you talk about anything unusual, never once happened
two western pacific cruises, months at a time without seeing land and just the sky and stars, not once

jpak

(41,759 posts)
117. I spent 2years of my life at sea including a research cruise from Barrow AK to the Ross Sea
Wed May 19, 2021, 12:45 AM
May 2021

Antarctica

Bird watched with binocs for hours each day.

All I saw were seabirds.

Shellback Squid

(8,926 posts)
123. yup, it's a shiny object to distract
Wed May 19, 2021, 01:06 AM
May 2021

saw one night event at the pier at Imperial Beach, I was so stoned and the "good year" logo on the blimp brought me back to my senses

 

elevator

(415 posts)
124. Well I guess that settles it then. Really?
Wed May 19, 2021, 01:08 AM
May 2021

One ship and two western pacific cruises pretty much covers the entire navy and all the cruises going on around the globe everyday.

Response to Shellback Squid (Reply #126)

 

elevator

(415 posts)
136. You might find that finding out about things you don't understand is beneficial
Wed May 19, 2021, 01:42 AM
May 2021

Most people fear the unknown ,or things that may challenge their limited thinking.
The more I learn about the world the less I fear things.
I don't fear many things. I am very concerned about ignorant people who are always a threat to overreact and create false narratives about things they don't understand.

Response to Shellback Squid (Reply #115)

Kid Berwyn

(14,953 posts)
148. Here's what Chief Delbert Newhouse filmed -- on dry land in 1952.
Wed May 19, 2021, 08:06 AM
May 2021


When a dozen luminous, disc-shaped objects flashed across a clear blue sky on July 2, 1952, near Tremonton, Utah, Navy Chief Delbert C. Newhouse pulled his car off the road, grabbed his 16mm movie camera and filmed what he knew was a bizarre sight.

Newhouse, who had more than 1,000 hours of aerial photography mission experience, shot 1,200 frames of one of the objects, which has been described as "two pie pans, one inverted on top of the other."

After rigorous examination of the 75-second film, Navy analysts concluded that the objects were not conventional aircraft, but some sort of "intelligently controlled" vehicles. They stopped short of calling them space vehicles. The Air Force, however, called them "possible birds."

Source: https://www.stripes.com/news/is-the-sky-falling-this-man-says-maybe-not-1.130358

 

elevator

(415 posts)
134. That case would certainly be something to fear.
Wed May 19, 2021, 01:34 AM
May 2021

We know the Chinese and Russians don't have our best interests at heart. We don't know about aliens.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
145. I agree, I find it spooky, disturbing and scary 😱
Wed May 19, 2021, 04:27 AM
May 2021

I guess I can never forget that Twilight Zone episode with the aliens 👽 who landed on Earth. Earth people thought they were here to help us because they had a book titled "To Serve Man" turned out it was a cookbook!

Chakaconcarne

(2,462 posts)
157. UFO stories are for the trumpers
Wed May 19, 2021, 11:48 AM
May 2021

so they have lizard men, Democrats want to control mankind conspiracies to latch on to... see pointers to this on social media all the time.... as they become more gullible and entrenched, shit gets weirder.

Kid Berwyn

(14,953 posts)
158. I'm no trumper.
Wed May 19, 2021, 12:08 PM
May 2021

I’ve read all that I could find worth reading about the subject since I was 9 years old in 1966.



‘Unidentified Aerial Phenomena,’ Better Known as UFOs, Deserve Scientific Investigation

UAP are a scientifically interesting problem. Interdisciplinary teams of scientists should study them


By Ravi Kopparapu, Jacob Haqq-Misra
Scientific American on July 27, 2020

UFOs have been back in the news because of videos initially leaked, and later confirmed, by the U.S. Navy and officially released by Pentagon that purportedly show "unidentified aerial phenomena" (UAP) in our skies. Speculations about their nature have run the gamut from mundane objects like birds or balloons to visitors from outer space.

It’s difficult, if not impossible, to say what these actually are, however, without context. What happened before and after these video snippets? Were there any simultaneous observations from other instruments, or sightings by pilots?

Judging the nature of these objects (and these seem to be “objects,” as confirmed by the Navy) needs a coherent explanation that should accommodate and connect all the facts of the events. And this is where interdisciplinary scientific investigation is needed.

Snip...

But we understand to an extent the nature of GRBs, supernovae and gravitational waves. How? Because we have not dismissed the phenomena or the people who observed them. We studied them. Astronomers have tools, so they can share the data they collected, even if some question their claim. Similarly, we need tools to observe UAP; radar, thermal, and visual observations will be immensely helpful. We must repeat here that this is a global phenomenon. Perhaps some, or even most, UAP events are simply classified military aircraft, or strange weather formations, or other misidentified mundane phenomena. However, there are still a number of truly puzzling cases that might be worth investigating.

Snip...

A template to perform a thorough scientific investigation can be found in James McDonald’s paper “Science in Default.” While he entertains the conclusion that these events could be extraterrestrials (which we do not subscribe to), McDonald’s methodology itself is a great example of objective scientific analysis. And this is exactly what we as scientists can do to study these events.

Continues...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/unidentified-aerial-phenomena-better-known-as-ufos-deserve-scientific-investigation/

Don’t know, but I find it likely based on what they wrote, the authors of the above probably never heard of the following cases involving Thomas Mantell, Felix Moncla, Robert Wilson and Frederick Valentich.

The first three were flying officers in the United States armed forces. The fourth name was a young Australian air cadet. Each apparently lost their life in association with UFOs. There likely are others. Here's a bit on them:

Thomas Mantell





Mantell Case (1948)

EXCERPT...

Mantell was an experienced pilot; his flight history consisted of 2,167 hours in the air, and he had been honored for his part in the Battle of Normandy during World War II.

On 7 January 1948, Godman Field at Fort Knox, Kentucky received a report from the Kentucky Highway Patrol of an unusual aerial object near Maysville, Kentucky. Reports of a westbound circular object, 250 feet (76 m) to 300 feet (91 m) in diameter, were received from Owensboro, Kentucky, and Irvington, Kentucky.

At about 1:45 p.m., Sgt Quinton Blackwell saw an object from his position in the control tower at Fort Knox. Two other witnesses in the tower also reported a white object in the distance. Base commander Colonel Guy Hix reported an object he described as "very white," and "about one fourth the size of the full moon ... Through binoculars it appeared to have a red border at the bottom ... It remained stationary, seemingly, for one and a half hours." Observers at Clinton County Army Air Field in Ohio described the object "as having the appearance of a flaming red cone trailing a gaseous green mist" and observed the object for around 35 minutes. Another observer at Lockbourne Army Air Field in Ohio noted, "Just before leaving it came to very near the ground, staying down for about ten seconds, then climbed at a very fast rate back to its original altitude, 10,000 feet, leveling off and disappearing into the overcast heading 120 degrees. Its speed was greater than 500 mph in level flight."

Four P-51 Mustangs of C Flight, 165th Fighter Squadron Kentucky Air National Guard already in the air—one piloted by Mantell—were told to approach the object. Blackwell was in radio communication with the pilots throughout the event.

One pilot's Mustang was low on fuel, and he quickly abandoned his efforts. Air Force Captain Edward J. Ruppelt (the first head of Project Blue Book) notes that there was some disagreement amongst the air traffic controllers as to Mantell's words as he communicated with the tower: some sources reported that Mantell had described an object "which) looks metallic and of tremendous size," but, according to Ruppelt in The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, others disputed whether or not Mantell actually said this.

The other two pilots accompanied Mantell in steep pursuit of the object. They later reported they saw an object, but described it as so small and indistinct they could not identify it. Mantell ignored suggestions that the pilots should level their altitude and try to more clearly see the object.

Only one of Mantell's companions, Lt. Albert Clemmons, had an oxygen mask, and his oxygen was in low supply. Clemmons and a Lt. Hammond called off their pursuit at 22,500 feet (6,900 m). Mantell continued to climb, however. According to the Air Force, once Mantell passed 25,000 feet (7,600 m) he supposedly blacked out from the lack of oxygen (hypoxia), and his plane began spiraling back towards the ground. A witness later reported Mantell's Mustang in a circling descent. His plane crashed at a farm south of Franklin, Kentucky, on the Tennessee-Kentucky state line.

Firemen later pulled Mantell's body from the Mustang's wreckage. His wristwatch had stopped at 3:18 p.m., the time of his crash. Meanwhile, by 3:50 p.m. the UFO was no longer visible to observers at Godman Field. The Mantell Incident was reported by newspapers around the nation, and received significant news media attention. A number of sensational rumors were also circulated about Mantell's crash. Among the rumors were claims that Mantell's fighter had been shot down by the UFO he was chasing, and that the Air Force covered up evidence proving this. Another rumor stated that Mantell's body was found riddled with strange holes. However, no evidence has ever surfaced to substantiate any of these claims. In 1956, Ruppelt wrote that the Mantell Crash was one of three "classic" UFO cases in 1948 that would help to define the UFO phenomenon in the public mind, and would help to convince Air Force intelligence specialists that UFOs were a "real", physical phenomenon (Ruppelt 30). The other two sightings were the Gorman Dogfight and the Chiles-Whitted UFO Encounter.

CONTINUED...

http://www.mufon.com/mantell-case---1948.html



Felix Moncla and Robert Wilson



USAF Radar operator stated he watched the aircraft approach the UFO; then saw the two blips merge into one return that quickly moved off the screen.



Marksville Weekly News

Avoyelles Parish has connections to a UFO mystery that goes back 49 years. Gordon Heath from Surrey, British Columbia was in Marksville recently to investigate the background of Lt. Felix E. Moncla who disappeared along with another crew member, Second Lt. Robert L. Wilson, over Lake Superior on Monday, November 23, 1953.

According to Heath, who is a UFO hobbyist, Moncla was on temporary assignment at Kinross Air Force Base in ...(sic. Michigan)... when he was sent to identify and unidentified craft over the Soo Locks, which is restricted airspace. Moncla, in an F-89C, pursued the craft for about 30 minutes flying at 30,000 feet over the middle of Lake Superior. He was flying about 500 mph when he was instructed by ground radar to descend to 7,000 feet.

When the unidentified craft was finally on radar it was noted that the two radar images, the UFO and the Air Force jet, were very close and at some point they intersected but only one remained. Heath says that the unidentified craft flew north and disappeared from radar.

Lt. Moncla's jet mysteriously disappeared without a trace.

http://www.nuforc.org/mancla.html


No remains of the crew or wreckage of the F-89C have been found.



Frederick Valentich

His late father holds the missing flyer's picture:





Delta Sierra Juliet? Do you read?

Boats and aircraft have found no trace of the 20-year old Australian pilot who disappeared with his plane on Saturday night after radioing that he was being chased by a UFO. Frederick Valentich was on a 125 mile training flight in his single engine Cessna 182 along the coast of Bass Strait when he told air traffic controllers in Melbourne that he was being buzzed by a UFO with 4 bright lights about 1000 feet above him.

Controllers said his last message was taped and was: "It's approaching from due east towards me. It seems to be playing some sort of game... flying at a speed I can't estimate. It's not an aircraft. It's...It is flying past. It is a long shape. I cannot identify more than that. It's coming for me right now." A minute later: "It seems to be stationary. I'm also orbiting and the thing is orbiting on top of me also. It has a green light and a sort of metallic light on the outside." Valentich then radioed that his engine was running roughly. His last words were: "It is not an aircraft."

The Australian Air Force said it had received 11 reports from people along the coast who said they saw UFOs on Saturday night, but the Transport Department was skeptical. Ken Williams, a spokesman for the department, said, "It's funny all these people ringing up with UFO reports well after Valentich's disappearance. It seems people often decide after the event, they too had seen strange lights. But although we can't take them too seriously, we can never discourgae such reports when investigating a plane's disappearance."

SNIP...

ACTUAL TRANSCRIPTION OF MELBOURNE FLIGHT SERVICE

The transcript portion of the communication between Valentich and Melbourne Flight Service as released by the Australian Department of Transport follows: (FS - Flight Service, DSJ - Frederick Valentich aircraft designation).

1906:14 DSJ Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet. Is there any known traffic below five thousand?

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, no known traffic.

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, I am, seems to be a large aircraft below five thousand.

1906:44 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, What type of aircraft is it?

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, I cannot affirm, it is four bright, it seems to me like landing lights.

1907 FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1907:31 DSJ Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet, the aircraft has just passed over me at least a thousand feet above.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, and it is a large aircraft, confirmed?

DSJ Er-unknown, due to the speed it's travelling, is there any air force aircraft in the vicinity?

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, no known aircraft in the vicinity.

1908:18 DSJ Melbourne, it's approaching now from due east towards me.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1908:41 DSJ (open microphone for two seconds.)

1908:48 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, it seems to me that he's playing some sort of game, he's flying over me two, three times at speeds I could not identify.

1909 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what is your actual level?

DSJ My level is four and a half thousand, four five zero zero.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, and you confirm you cannot identify the aircraft?

DSJ Affirmative.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, stand by.

1909:27 DSJ Melbourne, Delta Sierra Juliet, it's not an aircraft it is (open microphone for two seconds).

1909:42 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, can you describe the -er- aircraft?

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, as it's flying past it's a long shape (open microphone for three seconds) cannot identify more than it has such speed (open microphone for three seconds). It's before me right now Melbourne.

1910 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger and how large would the - er - object be?

1910:19 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, Melbourne, it seems like it's stationary. What I'm doing right now is orbiting and the thing is just orbiting on top of me also. It's got a green light and sort of metallic like, it's all shiny on the outside.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1910:46 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet (open microphone for three seconds) It's just vanished.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1911 DSJ Melbourne, would you know what kind of aircraft I've got? Is it a military aircraft?

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, Confirm the - er ~ aircraft just vanished.

DSJ Say again.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, is the aircraft still with you?

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet; it's (open microphone for two seconds) now approaching from the south-west.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1911:50 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, the engine is rough-idling. I've got it set at twenty three twenty-four and the thing is coughing.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what are your intentions?

DSJ My intentions are - ah - to go to King Island - ah - Melbourne. That strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again (open microphone for two seconds). It is hovering and it's not an aircraft.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1912:28 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet. Melbourne (open microphone for seventeen seconds).

SOURCE: http://www.ufocasebook.com/australianpilot.html



So that’s part of the reason why the Pentagon considers UFOs “serious business.”

As for people who ridicule those who report or discuss UFOs, that’s your business.


BradAllison

(1,879 posts)
160. Are you denying UFO'S exist?
Wed May 19, 2021, 12:47 PM
May 2021
Unidentified Flying Objects

Until it is identified, it is by definition a UFO.
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