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CousinIT

(12,541 posts)
Tue May 18, 2021, 02:34 PM May 2021

Rick Wilson Warns Democrats: Seize Your Power Or Republicans Will Make The Next Election The Last


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1/ Of *course* Qevin McCarthy opposes a bipartisan January 6th Commission.

If the Democrats have the stones to pull it off -- an open question, TBH -- it will make Benghazi look like a sewing circle.
2/ They can't possibly look inside the reality of that day and maintain the Big Lie. They can't admit to the clear causality of Trump unleashing his mob. It opens them to personal, moral, and political liability for that day.

3/ More important in their minds is something darker.

They see the majority in their grasp, and just as they did in the states this year, they'll strike quickly, mercilessly, and without a moment of hesitation of a scintilla of shame to make the next election the last.
4/ For them, the problem wasn't an attack on our republic and a democratic election. For Kevin and Co, the problem was that it didn't work the first time. They need the shock and awe, the spectacle, the Trumphadi terror threat out there.

5/ This zero-sum game of power/not-power is what the Democrats never, ever, ever grasp. This year in the states, the GOP -- directed and assisted by Heritage Action -- has passed sweeping voter restrictions.

Democrats couldn't mount a response. They played defense.
6/ Even now, too many think policy will save them. "But our climate plan" or "but our control gun plan" or "but our daycare plan" isn't politics. It's masturbation.

The bad guys are willing to send people to kill you and you respond with a white paper? GTFO.
7/ This is why the Democrats should stop negotiation over a January 6th commission and just freaking DO it.

Do you think some kind of bipartisan comity and goodwill will be lost somehow? THEY SENT PEOPLE TO KILL YOU. Get a goddamned grip.

Play offense. Drag them.
8/ Here's what you don't get; the Trump GOP as comprised today isn't stupid. It's evil. They're smart. They'll play to your goodwill and instinct for a bipartisan veneer on the Jan 6th issue.

They're conning you.
9/ Stop fucking around. Announce the panel. START.

Don't delay. Time is fleeting, and 2022 is roaring into position. You need to nationalize the election over, you know, the little things like whether it's ok to send a violent, armed mob to the Capitol to overthrow an election.
10/ Washington is a city desperate for an illusion of normalcy and old-school transactional politics. The 2022 election will be defined by someone, very soon. If you want it to be about Antifaaaaaaaaaaaaa and BLM and imaginary conspiracy horseshit, keep on delaying.

11/ But when Speaker Greene takes office, let me know how that bipartisan circle jerk worked out for you.

12/ done
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Rick Wilson Warns Democrats: Seize Your Power Or Republicans Will Make The Next Election The Last (Original Post) CousinIT May 2021 OP
He's Not Wrong Beetwasher. May 2021 #1
he's not really right either qazplm135 May 2021 #30
So you think they are beaten then? hadEnuf May 2021 #40
I think the whole concept of "beaten" qazplm135 May 2021 #48
And Making sure Votes count greblach May 2021 #52
HR 1 isn't going to happen qazplm135 May 2021 #54
'how can we win even with these laws standing for now?' Celerity May 2021 #62
We have been winning in spite qazplm135 May 2021 #63
there has not been this sheer amount of new suppression laws since the height of Jim Crow Celerity May 2021 #64
I have no idea qazplm135 May 2021 #65
It is just a snapshot in time call, and I never claimed to be omniscient nor definitive Celerity May 2021 #67
I want to thank you onlyadream May 2021 #70
YW & I'll become far, far more optimistic if certain things occur (looking at you Manchin & Sinema) Celerity May 2021 #83
And others qazplm135 May 2021 #79
I post what I think is closest to the outcome ATM. I will not make things up just to make some Celerity May 2021 #82
No you posted qazplm135 May 2021 #86
lol I was quoting YOU, I never said that myself Celerity May 2021 #90
And then you typed other stuff qazplm135 May 2021 #93
the last time voter suppression efforts were this intense, Dems were winning BECAUSE of them Fiendish Thingy May 2021 #89
Oh please qazplm135 May 2021 #92
You haven't been paying attention, or are too young too remember the pre-VRA era Fiendish Thingy May 2021 #94
Got it you win qazplm135 May 2021 #95
You are correct that this is a marathon. hadEnuf May 2021 #77
We won 2018 qazplm135 May 2021 #78
And the GOP is working on that problem right now with massive new voter supression laws. hadEnuf May 2021 #84
Meanwhile qazplm135 May 2021 #87
Agreed. Nothing is over on either side. hadEnuf May 2021 #96
He's right - about 2022. That was his principle point. KPN May 2021 #45
only in the most general of terms qazplm135 May 2021 #49
I agree. We need to show results. But we also need to go for the throat with these KPN May 2021 #57
Sure there qazplm135 May 2021 #58
You're right. They couldnt even get the damn wall built oldsoftie May 2021 #74
T H I S Cosmocat May 2021 #31
Truer words have never been spoken. The GQP clearly want one party lifetime rule. usaf-vet May 2021 #32
In essence, that King's Gambit was the first move. It certainly won't be the last. Texin May 2021 #36
Nailed it... lame54 May 2021 #2
Yes! empedocles May 2021 #17
Yes! empedocles May 2021 #18
They are gearing up for the takeover in '22 -- and forever after. Texin May 2021 #37
Agree! n/t OhioChick May 2021 #55
I think republicans are destroying themselves inside ... Lovie777 May 2021 #3
That may be true, but the question is... Salviati May 2021 #11
Exactly. Policy, comity and fig leafs for the sake KPN May 2021 #47
People mistake their internal reorganization as destruction. FoxNewsSucks May 2021 #14
Dead on... airmid May 2021 #28
I suspect that to be the truth if it. 2naSalit May 2021 #42
They can still wield outsize influence, control media, and win elections. Beartracks May 2021 #53
k&r for visibility alwaysinasnit May 2021 #4
Yes magats are EVIL.. Cha May 2021 #5
Rick Wilson is all but screaming for us to wake up Hekate May 2021 #6
It makes no difference how awake we are. SoonerPride May 2021 #8
Manchin and Sinema have no role in forming a House commission on January 6. Fiendish Thingy May 2021 #22
Manchin now seems to support just a renewal of the voting rights act. Lonestarblue May 2021 #46
Manchin's proposal is disingenuous- doomed to be overturned by SCOTUS Fiendish Thingy May 2021 #51
We need to figure out ways to win without HR1 Elessar Zappa May 2021 #56
It's not going to pass qazplm135 May 2021 #66
There is no plan B - either you have free and fair elections, or you don't have a democracy Fiendish Thingy May 2021 #73
Lol qazplm135 May 2021 #80
Talk to Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Merkley, Klobuchar, Jayapal- they all know the stakes Fiendish Thingy May 2021 #85
You've just set up qazplm135 May 2021 #88
Not suggesting that anyone shouldn't vote, only that their vote may not count without HR1 Fiendish Thingy May 2021 #91
lol well qazplm135 May 2021 #97
Bingo!! onetexan May 2021 #19
Why is he screaming into the void of twitter? SoonerPride May 2021 #7
Who's putting them to the test ? OnDoutside May 2021 #12
He's not wrong JustAnotherGen May 2021 #9
standing O Grasswire2 May 2021 #10
Manchin and sinema Fullduplexxx May 2021 #13
This is 100% right FoxNewsSucks May 2021 #15
I think he's wrong ezgoingrl May 2021 #16
Wilson knows the Republican mind. He is absolutely correct. We need to just DO it. SunSeeker May 2021 #20
I hate that he is right RANDYWILDMAN May 2021 #21
Sage advice. Hope Democrats will follow it because what he says is true. Autumn May 2021 #23
He is 100% Snackshack May 2021 #24
Take heed, be prepared! BlueJac May 2021 #25
Old age and treachery will always win over youth and skill." soldierant May 2021 #26
He is 100% correct. UCmeNdc May 2021 #27
Stop thinking that the GOP are your colleagues... They are the ENEMY and will stop at nothing world wide wally May 2021 #29
it pains me to admit and say this, Rick Wilson is 1,000% Correct. msfiddlestix May 2021 #33
+1000000% Mr. Sparkle May 2021 #34
I can't remember... is Wilson the child molestor or is it the other one? WarGamer May 2021 #35
I so agree. I hope this little bipartisanship show kacekwl May 2021 #38
THIS has been constantly in th back of my mind BigmanPigman May 2021 #39
I hated him for so long MuseRider May 2021 #41
This x 1000 peggysue2 May 2021 #43
I AGREE spanone May 2021 #44
Again, the Republicans Etherealoc1 May 2021 #50
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey May 2021 #59
I hope they're taking this seriously. calimary May 2021 #60
K&R x 10000 Imallin4Joe May 2021 #61
Spot on. orangecrush May 2021 #68
Ironic that now Wilson is being a little mean to Democrats, he's okay. betsuni May 2021 #69
That last line is haunting SledDriver May 2021 #71
Shouldn't he be warning Republicans? kentuck May 2021 #72
One thing's for certain, this shit won't stop if we don't win more control in state legislatures. sarchasm May 2021 #75
There are all kinds of places where one could draw their line in the sand. BobTheSubgenius May 2021 #76
If only the Dems would listen!!!! Catch2.2 May 2021 #81

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
30. he's not really right either
Tue May 18, 2021, 04:49 PM
May 2021

if they are so brutal and clever and evil then how is a fucking commission going to stop them?

Dem led commission determines Trumpers and Trump were responsible for the events of 1/6.

Anyone capable of being persuaded of that is already at the "no duh" point. Anyone not, isn't.

This is just more of the silly "Republicans are smart but evil, Democrats are good but dumb" baloney.

If they were so smart, how come they got so little accomplished with two years of absolutely complete control? They got a tax cut and another seat advantage on the Supreme Court. That's basically it.

But now I'm supposed to operate that this same gang is one election away from complete and total dominance forever and ever?

Yeah, sorry no. There are still more Dems and Dem leaners than Reps and Rep leaners in enough places to keep a hold of at least some parts of control.

hadEnuf

(3,616 posts)
40. So you think they are beaten then?
Tue May 18, 2021, 05:43 PM
May 2021

Just the fact that they are even willing to go as far as to offer ANY sort of justifications for 1/6 and expect to get some traction from it shows there is a serious problem out there.

We should be watching special reports on the sentencing phases of Trump and his insurrectionist coup players, but instead we are talking about whether they were fucking "tourists" or not.

This is ALL about power and these bastards will stop at nothing to get it, so we can and should expect more 1/6 type antics.

There needs to be a commission that makes clear exactly what happened and who is responsible for it so that everyone knows, except for the those who either support it or are totally delusional. Anything less will be spun and spun until it doesn't even make sense anymore. That's what the Trump GOP does.

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
48. I think the whole concept of "beaten"
Tue May 18, 2021, 06:37 PM
May 2021

as if one thing or one short period of time will solve everything is silly.

This is a generations long marathon. They are going to win some, we are going to win some, and the goal is to end up moving the ball down the field to mix sports metaphors.

Too many folks on the left demand a knock out blow and when they don't get it, they give up.

The side you are talking about have been playing the long game, for a long time.

But do I think a commission that says the obvious, run by one side, will move any balls or change any minds? No.

The best path forward is to pour every dollar into identifying our base, growing our base, getting our base registered to vote, and then turning out our base. Every effort, time, and energy that's not in actual governing should go to that.

greblach

(294 posts)
52. And Making sure Votes count
Tue May 18, 2021, 08:35 PM
May 2021

Need to make sure voting processes being changed to allow Republican legislators to over rule the vote
are prohibited...We need HR 1

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
54. HR 1 isn't going to happen
Tue May 18, 2021, 10:30 PM
May 2021

It would be great if it did, it's not. Not before 2022.
So folks need to stop saying we need HR 1 or else we lose, and start saying, how can we win even with these laws standing for now?

Celerity

(54,408 posts)
62. 'how can we win even with these laws standing for now?'
Wed May 19, 2021, 03:07 AM
May 2021

More suppression laws will be passed at every level from state level (but affecting federal elections as well) on down. Also the partisan gerrymandering will occur at every level from federal districts on down. Plus we lost seats during the post 2020 Census reapportionment. Even with HR 1 and the John Lewis Act passed, the House is likely gone. Without them, is is likely a Red wave and the Senate is in jeopardy.

Before any of this all, 2022 was shaping up as the Rethugs having around 15 to 20 fewer at-risk House seats than us. Now that is likely closer to 30 less for them.

We have 4 at-risk Senate seats, and 3 are in Rethug Trifecta states that will slam in suppression laws:

Georgia - Warnock

Nevada - Catherine Cortez Masto (Brian Sandoval would be the toughest Rethug to beat, he has said no so far at least)

New Hampshire - Maggie Hassan (her two strongest opponents would probably be Former Senator Kelly Ayotte and especially Governor Sununu, the Rethugs flipped BOTH the State Senate and the State House in 2020 and now hold a Trifecta)

Arizona - Mark Kelly

Vermont - a wild card if Leahy retires and the very popular Rethug Gov Phil Scott runs, although he might go Angus King route, and run as an Indie and caucus with us if he wins


In contrast, wishful projections aside (no we are not going to beat Rand Paul in KY, nor win MO, IN, etc, and FL is going to be hella hard, as is OH, even with Portman retiring)

we have 3 pickup possibilities that are in actual play and not huge stretches

Pennsylvania Open Seat (our best hope) Fetterman is by far our best shot so, IMHO

North Carolina Open Seat (Cheri Beasley is looking more and more like the Dem frontrunner, plus Jeff Jackson is in the mix too) massive wildcard is Lara Trump

Wisconsin Ron Johnson (asshat deluxe, I fucking hate this clown, hope he doesn't run) Mandela Barnes would help drive the most key voters (and the hardest group to get to turn out) in the state, the blacks in Milwaukee (and to a lesser extent, Madison)


the odds of us, as it is a first midterm, plus the voter suppression. gaining a net +2 (so Manchin and Sinema are neutered) are lower than us ending up at 50-50 again or even a net -1, as I think we are in real trouble in all 4 of those seats we have to defend, 2 for sure (AZ is the best for us, then NV) and the only of of the 3 truly possible pickups I feel ok about is PA, with NC a bit less, and WI the hardest, even if asshat Putin shill Johnson runs. WI is so fucking corrupt, as is NC, thank fuck we have Dem Gov in each, although WI has so hamstrung Evers.

Gun to my head atm, I think we lose GA (worst nightmare would be if that idiot yank football player, Herschel Walker runs and beats Warnock as he will draw some black votes I fear simply do to his legendary status) and NH (especially if Sununu runs, and also because of NH Rethugs on a real roll there, a trifecta and can supress now), gain PA, fail to flip in WI, so it comes down to NC to maintain control at 50-50. If Lara Trump runs there, the former guy will drive the QMAGAts to the polls for her, so it will be a shitshow and get really racially nasty, as Beasley is African American.

PA, GA, and NH are the key races to watch. If we lose them all, it could be a long night, a long bad one.

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
63. We have been winning in spite
Wed May 19, 2021, 03:51 AM
May 2021

Of voter suppression for generations.

I have no idea why people are deciding now is the time it's somehow going to be impossible.

Celerity

(54,408 posts)
64. there has not been this sheer amount of new suppression laws since the height of Jim Crow
Wed May 19, 2021, 04:17 AM
May 2021

The Rethugs are FULLY invested in this to levels unseen since Dixiecrat days.

Sorry, I do not do normalcy bias nor wishful projections. I try to give as accurate results with my analysis as I possibly can.

That said, let me ask you point blank:

Will we keep the House in 2022?

If so, what is your range of seats.

If you think we will lose the House, then what is your range?

And the same for the Senate.


I already gave you my Senate projections.

I think we lose a net 25 (I was on 20 pre reapportionment) seats in the House.

So (give or take 5ish)

197 Dems

238 Rethugs

Those numbers are subject to change depending on what voters rights bills are or are not passed.

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
65. I have no idea
Wed May 19, 2021, 04:39 AM
May 2021

Neither do you.

Historically we lose the House regardless of voter suppression at the two year mark, but we lost a lot of red seats in 2020, and if voters give us credit for a strong economy and the pandemic ending, assuming that's the reality in 2022, then we could hold.

Same goes for the Senate where they have more to defend than we do. Or, any number of things could happen to lose both Houses.

You can throw out whatever estimate you want, you don't have any special knowledge or access to declare it all lost. It's a prediction, which is one of many at this point.

Any number of things can happen to change the environment for good or bad nationally or in a specific race. I'm pretty sure you nor I predicted Doug Jones would be facing off with a child predator and would actually win 18 months out.

So I really don't care if you want to belittle me as being naive because I think we should continue to fight and I don't believe anything is lost or impossible. I do care that folks with that mindset of it's all over depress turnout and create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It's not all over, we can win, but it will take everything we have, so get on board or step aside so the rest of us can get to work.

Celerity

(54,408 posts)
67. It is just a snapshot in time call, and I never claimed to be omniscient nor definitive
Wed May 19, 2021, 05:08 AM
May 2021

Obviously there a thousand shoes yet to drop, but my positings are hardly some flippant number toss out. I do a lot of research and put in some hard hours drilling down to a fairly granular level, including going through all 435 House seats and dividing them up in terms of risk/reward. Part of this is due to certain areas in which I do risk/SWOT analysis (including political) for my firm, and also for my post grad work. There is a fortuitous convergence/overlap involving my professional life, my academic pursuits, and my time spent interacting on this board.

onlyadream

(2,248 posts)
70. I want to thank you
Wed May 19, 2021, 09:24 AM
May 2021

For your research and breaking it down for us. Math doesn’t lie and we need to know the facts. I remember many on DU hanging their hats on Muller. I guess we’re an optimistic lot. But this is no game, and being realistic is paramount to identifying a way to combat the GOP.

Celerity

(54,408 posts)
83. YW & I'll become far, far more optimistic if certain things occur (looking at you Manchin & Sinema)
Wed May 19, 2021, 01:19 PM
May 2021

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
79. And others
Wed May 19, 2021, 12:40 PM
May 2021

Have done similar work and come to various other conclusions and this kind of snapshot in time with almost no polling done before many races even have candidates is not particularly accurate.

You know if it's the summer of 2022 and there is polling and we have things more locked in then I'll start to listen or consider what our chances are or aren't.

But all the hard work you say you are doing does a disservice this far out when it works to dissuade people from voting.

What's the point of any of this then if I am to take things at face value you assert?

Why vote? Why donate? Why participate at all? Why convince others to vote like I did last time?

After all, HR 1 isn't passing, so the "reality" you propose is we lose. So why should black folks stand in line for hours this time around? Why should I waste my money donating to candidates when I can save it or donate it to charity?

There's quite a difference between saying, boy we are underdogs and this is going to be tough, and, we are going to lose.

Celerity

(54,408 posts)
82. I post what I think is closest to the outcome ATM. I will not make things up just to make some
Wed May 19, 2021, 01:16 PM
May 2021

people happy. That would be extraordinarily disingenuous and misleading of me to do so. I still have hope Manchin caves on the voter's bills, but time will tell.

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
86. No you posted
Wed May 19, 2021, 01:59 PM
May 2021

"how can we win?"

If you wanna post, it's tough, we could lose, feel free.

But this whole we can't win bullshit is bullshit. Were you predicting we'd win both GA Senate seats at this point before those races?

Celerity

(54,408 posts)
90. lol I was quoting YOU, I never said that myself
Wed May 19, 2021, 02:10 PM
May 2021


see the quote marks in my subject line

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
93. And then you typed other stuff
Wed May 19, 2021, 02:21 PM
May 2021

That basically answered the question with, we can't.

But clearly you've factored in all the variables, like the Supreme Court destroying Roe before the election. That couldn't possibly change anything. No, you've run the numbers 18 months before the election. Just like when you predicted we'd win both GA seats 18 months before that election. I remember it well.

You win, I'm done participating. No point. We're going to lose. I'll spend my time and money elsewhere and sit election day out.

HR 1 isn't passing so why waste the time? Why donate, you and others are clear we can't win and democracy is over. So might as well move on now.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,236 posts)
89. the last time voter suppression efforts were this intense, Dems were winning BECAUSE of them
Wed May 19, 2021, 02:05 PM
May 2021

The Dixiecrats created and enforced Jim Crow 1.0, ensuring Dems dominated the south, so Dems were not “winning for generations” despite voter suppression, they were winning BECAUSE of them.

Now the voter suppression efforts favor the other party, and without HR1, we will see the same kind of dominance the Dixiecrats had from the 40’s-60’s.

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
92. Oh please
Wed May 19, 2021, 02:16 PM
May 2021

Voter suppression has been this intense the entire time but you win, no voting or participating from me, there's no point after all.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,236 posts)
94. You haven't been paying attention, or are too young too remember the pre-VRA era
Wed May 19, 2021, 02:33 PM
May 2021

Your statement “ voter suppression has been this intense the entire time” is completely and verifiably false.

Voter suppression decreased significantly after the VRA was passed in 1965. That’s why there were so many POC elected to office after 1965 compared to before the VRA.

Once SCOTUS overturned the VRA in 2013, we saw a gradual return to old voter suppression strategies, but 2021 has been an unprecedented year for voter suppression legislation [/i, with at least 343 passed or pending laws in 45 states.

hadEnuf

(3,616 posts)
77. You are correct that this is a marathon.
Wed May 19, 2021, 11:59 AM
May 2021

But we have been trailing behind and constantly playing defense while the other side has come very close to getting some knockout blows.

We had the Benghazi commission that was run by one side 10 times to the point of absolute absurdity that repeatedly came up with the obvious answer. But then that led to emails, and then to something else, and then to Anthony Weiner and then to James Comey a few weeks before the 2016 election.... And along with foreign internet troll farms interfering with the election and 24/7 propaganda? Yeah, that moved some balls and changed some minds and we got the unmitigated disaster to democracy called Trump installed.

The other side does not play by the rules and we need to get that through our collective heads.

The GOP often obscures reality successfully, or at least enough to sow viable doubts, so yes we need a REAL 1/6 commission that leaves no doubt as to what happened and who was responsible and we need to ram it home again and again and again. And we need criminal charges brought, otherwise we are fools who will simply be bowled over at the next attempt to seize power.




hadEnuf

(3,616 posts)
84. And the GOP is working on that problem right now with massive new voter supression laws.
Wed May 19, 2021, 01:50 PM
May 2021

And that the purveyors a nearly successful violent coup of the US government are still walking around laughing about it while everybody talks about "tourists".

That's part of how we are trailing behind. The rest is allowing this stuff to manifest over the last few decades.

We need to fight this war on two fronts: Fix America from the damage of Trump and to prevent it from ever happening again.

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
87. Meanwhile
Wed May 19, 2021, 02:00 PM
May 2021

Some of us are over here cowering that it's all over.

So yeah they are working, be nice if we were too.

hadEnuf

(3,616 posts)
96. Agreed. Nothing is over on either side.
Wed May 19, 2021, 02:54 PM
May 2021

And our side needs to be aggressively fighting on all fronts.

KPN

(17,377 posts)
45. He's right - about 2022. That was his principle point.
Tue May 18, 2021, 06:26 PM
May 2021

He is right and not wrong about that.

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
49. only in the most general of terms
Tue May 18, 2021, 06:39 PM
May 2021

2022 is not going to be about Antifa or BLM for the majority of voters. For their side, EVERY election is going to be about stuff like that no matter what we do.

We need to stop being so concerned about what they are doing, and start focusing on what we are doing. To turnout our base, to overcome voter suppression, to register our voters, to get them to the polls, to get quality candidates everywhere and contest every election.

If we did nothing but that, I really don't care what the other side does or tries to do.

KPN

(17,377 posts)
57. I agree. We need to show results. But we also need to go for the throat with these
Tue May 18, 2021, 11:06 PM
May 2021

traitorous bastards. Give then no room. Put them constantly in the public’s’ eye on the defensive over shit they can’t possibly defend. We need to Benghazi them, only with real issues. There is zero ability to defend January 6th — zero. We need to go for the jugular and not worry one iota that they’ll label it as political. The evidence is overwhelming. The truth is undeniable. Time to stop worrying about being criticized and stand for the truth.

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
58. Sure there
Tue May 18, 2021, 11:13 PM
May 2021

Their side is fine with Jan 6th.

Our side isn't.

There is no jugular or knock out blow, there's just the slow grind.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
74. You're right. They couldnt even get the damn wall built
Wed May 19, 2021, 10:52 AM
May 2021

Trump had to do his own shenanigans to even START it. And THAT was his #1 topic he ran on! The constant bickering of the Freedom Caucus & the rest of the party doomed almost everything substantial
And they're shooting themselves in the foot right now too; being unable to remove their lips from trumps ass

usaf-vet

(7,811 posts)
32. Truer words have never been spoken. The GQP clearly want one party lifetime rule.
Tue May 18, 2021, 05:06 PM
May 2021
THEY MUST BE STOP NOW. BECAUSE THEY ARE PICKING OUR COUNTRY APART PIECE BY PIECE.

Texin

(2,851 posts)
36. In essence, that King's Gambit was the first move. It certainly won't be the last.
Tue May 18, 2021, 05:11 PM
May 2021

Unless the match is lost and the Dems seize the rest of the chess pieces.

lame54

(39,771 posts)
2. Nailed it...
Tue May 18, 2021, 02:39 PM
May 2021

Everybody is cheering the repugs destroying themselves

Not the case - they are maneuvering for a 2022 takeover of both the house and senate

Our poor midterm turnout tradition may do us in

Texin

(2,851 posts)
37. They are gearing up for the takeover in '22 -- and forever after.
Tue May 18, 2021, 05:12 PM
May 2021

There will NEVER be another democratically-held election* thereafter.

Salviati

(6,059 posts)
11. That may be true, but the question is...
Tue May 18, 2021, 02:56 PM
May 2021

... will they take the rest of the country down in their self immolation.

And the answer is, they will if we let them.

KPN

(17,377 posts)
47. Exactly. Policy, comity and fig leafs for the sake
Tue May 18, 2021, 06:34 PM
May 2021

of a long passed congressional culture equate to letting them. We need to bludgeon them with our majority power - now or never. Start the commission with or without them - now, not a month or two or three from now.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,704 posts)
14. People mistake their internal reorganization as destruction.
Tue May 18, 2021, 03:01 PM
May 2021

We aren't that lucky. Power is being seized. Liz Cheney is only speaking out because it's not HER and her associates doing the seizing.

Republiqons are happy to let Americans think they're self-destructing. It just provides a distraction until it is too late.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
5. Yes magats are EVIL..
Tue May 18, 2021, 02:47 PM
May 2021

Always go on the Offense with the Worst case Scenario if they got in Power.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,236 posts)
22. Manchin and Sinema have no role in forming a House commission on January 6.
Tue May 18, 2021, 04:03 PM
May 2021

Now on voting rights legislation, the survival of American Democracy rests in their hands.

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
46. Manchin now seems to support just a renewal of the voting rights act.
Tue May 18, 2021, 06:29 PM
May 2021

That’s a start, but we need S1 to get rid of gerrymandering and to negate many of the voter nullification laws Republicans are passing. What I fear is that S1 does not pass and Republicans gerrymander their states to ensure picking up House seats in 2022. I’m remembering the bragging from a week ago of someone, a woman, that her organization had written the Republican laws to stand up to court challenges, probably including a Supreme Court that is no longer friendly to voting rights.

Democrats cannot rely on the courts to mitigate the worst of these anti-voting laws. The only actual hope I see is S1, and so far Senator Manchin refuses to budge. Time is really of the essence. Even if Manchin eventually gives up on Republicans, if they wait until next year to pass it Republicans will have had time to redraw their districts and friendly judges will rule that the new ones have to be used for 2022 because there’s no time to change them before the election. Manchin is playing with fire here, and I just wish he would give up on bipartisanship because Republicans certainly have no interest in doing anything that prevents them from rigging elections or simply overturning the will of the voters when Republicans lose.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,236 posts)
51. Manchin's proposal is disingenuous- doomed to be overturned by SCOTUS
Tue May 18, 2021, 08:24 PM
May 2021

HR1/S1 must pass, or we're fucked.

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
56. We need to figure out ways to win without HR1
Tue May 18, 2021, 10:41 PM
May 2021

being passed. If we say we’re fucked, then everyone will stay home and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
66. It's not going to pass
Wed May 19, 2021, 04:43 AM
May 2021

So move on and start working on plan B instead of rolling over and saying we're fucked.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,236 posts)
73. There is no plan B - either you have free and fair elections, or you don't have a democracy
Wed May 19, 2021, 10:51 AM
May 2021

You seem to want to give up on HR1 just as the fight is beginning.

The fight isn’t in November 2022- that will be too late.

The fight is NOW, and all summer long, in the streets of WV and AZ.

Watch this video for info on the campaign to bring pressure to democracy-hesitant senators:

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
80. Lol
Wed May 19, 2021, 12:44 PM
May 2021

We have a much better chance of working hard and winning in 2022 then of convincing Manchin and Sinema to use reconciliation in spite of the inevitable parliamentarian ruling against it.

But fight for it all you want, I didn't say jack about not fighting for it.

Tell you what, I'll do whatever you want me to do on HR 1 if you stop the defeatist bullshit on "the end of democracy."

Fiendish Thingy

(23,236 posts)
85. Talk to Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Merkley, Klobuchar, Jayapal- they all know the stakes
Wed May 19, 2021, 01:57 PM
May 2021

They have all stated that without passage of HR1, Dems stand to lose their majorities for a decade or longer. Many of them, and others, have said the future of American Democracy depends on passage of HR1. It’s not something I made up in a panicked, pearl-clutching moment.

I never suggested, nor have I heard anyone suggest, using reconciliation to pass HR1. It would have to pass by Schumer executing the Nuclear Option to bypass the filibuster rule, and then for Manchin and Sinema to vote to modify the rule to pass HR1/S1.

If HR1 doesn’t pass by this fall, the GOP will gerrymander enough seats to take back the house before a single vote is cast.

That fact, combined with certain state legislatures empowering themselves to reject election results they disagree with, means the idea of “working hard and winning in 2022” without passage of HR1 is a naive fantasy.

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
88. You've just set up
Wed May 19, 2021, 02:02 PM
May 2021

A naive fantasy that's never going to happen.

But you win, if HR 1 doesn't pass, I just won't vote or participate, what's the point?

Fiendish Thingy

(23,236 posts)
91. Not suggesting that anyone shouldn't vote, only that their vote may not count without HR1
Wed May 19, 2021, 02:12 PM
May 2021

Depending where they live.

100% Dem turnout in GA cannot save Warnock’s seat if the GA legislature is allowed to fire and appoint election board members who will refuse to certify a Warnock win, allowing Kemp to fill the vacancy.

This same scenario is planned for states such as AZ, OH, FL and others.

100% Dem turnout in FL won’t gain any seats if gerrymandering draws district lines so that no new district has a majority of Dem voters (5-6 districts expected to be drawn this way for 2022, which would give the House to the GOP).

The fight is NOW, not November 2022.

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
97. lol well
Wed May 19, 2021, 03:04 PM
May 2021

then why would I vote, if my vote won't count?

All the folks in GA should just avoid the lines then yes?

The fight is NOW and THEN too.

When HR1 doesn't pass, you're giving up right?

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
7. Why is he screaming into the void of twitter?
Tue May 18, 2021, 02:51 PM
May 2021

Go scream at Manchin and Sinema.

They are the only ones literally stopping us.

Change their minds.

JustAnotherGen

(38,054 posts)
9. He's not wrong
Tue May 18, 2021, 02:53 PM
May 2021


7/ This is why the Democrats should stop negotiation over a January 6th commission and just freaking DO it.

Do you think some kind of bipartisan comity and goodwill will be lost somehow? THEY SENT PEOPLE TO KILL YOU. Get a goddamned grip.

Play offense. Drag them.

8/ Here's what you don't get; the Trump GOP as comprised today isn't stupid. It's evil. They're smart. They'll play to your goodwill and instinct for a bipartisan veneer on the Jan 6th issue.

They're conning you.

9/ Stop fucking around. Announce the panel. START.


I'm at a space and place where I want my party in DC to take their majority decimate the GOP.

Grasswire2

(13,849 posts)
10. standing O
Tue May 18, 2021, 02:53 PM
May 2021

"Bipartisan" is a trap. There is no negotiating with those intent on replacing democracy with autocracy and who are willing to murder and destroy our seat of government to do so.

I've been screaming for a good long time. Carpe diem. Tempus fugit. The time is short to save the republic by claiming the power granted by the American people in November.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,704 posts)
15. This is 100% right
Tue May 18, 2021, 03:05 PM
May 2021

Why do Democrats persist in playing pattycake with people who want them (and us) DEAD?????

God DAMN how can some not see this???

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
20. Wilson knows the Republican mind. He is absolutely correct. We need to just DO it.
Tue May 18, 2021, 03:52 PM
May 2021

There is no bipartisanship possible with a party that wants to kill us.

RANDYWILDMAN

(3,163 posts)
21. I hate that he is right
Tue May 18, 2021, 04:01 PM
May 2021

Biden need to take Machin in a backroom and give him some serious pork.

Come break the Philly-buster

Pass the voting rights act

Put like AOC in charge of the Jan 6th commision

Put whatever infrastructure bills we badly need

and shame the F out of all the R's for not doing anything for years !!!!

Snackshack

(2,587 posts)
24. He is 100%
Tue May 18, 2021, 04:06 PM
May 2021

Right- The Dems have wasted enough time trying to get some kind of bipartisanship out of the GOP. They are not going to do it. I swear watching Dems continually get suckered by the GOP is like the Peanuts cartoon where Lucy promises this time she will not pull the football right as Charlie Brown is about to kick it.

Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Schumer need to get bust an exercise every bit of authority they have too bad if it ruffles GOP feathers and start doing the things the voters put them in those positions to do... now.

soldierant

(9,354 posts)
26. Old age and treachery will always win over youth and skill."
Tue May 18, 2021, 04:25 PM
May 2021

And yes, I realize we have a number of Democrats in office who are up in years, but the habit of looking forward keeps people young in spirit.

Whereas the habit of looking backward does the opposite. The only semblance of youth Republicans manage to have and keep is the impulsiveness. Besides that, they're all at least a hundred.

UCmeNdc

(9,655 posts)
27. He is 100% correct.
Tue May 18, 2021, 04:29 PM
May 2021

The GOP is lining the Democratic politicians up to roll over them. The Democratic politicians had better learn how to roll over the GOP soon.

world wide wally

(21,836 posts)
29. Stop thinking that the GOP are your colleagues... They are the ENEMY and will stop at nothing
Tue May 18, 2021, 04:40 PM
May 2021

to prove it......Duuuh

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
33. it pains me to admit and say this, Rick Wilson is 1,000% Correct.
Tue May 18, 2021, 05:07 PM
May 2021

I do mean accurate to a T.

Our people in leadership should take this advice and run with it on the double, making up for lost time. Because it will be the last election we will ever see. Schumer and Pelosi , do you hear us?

Oh hell, their staff isn't reading us. What the hell was I thinking?

Oh well, there's a pity.

Mr. Sparkle

(3,710 posts)
34. +1000000%
Tue May 18, 2021, 05:09 PM
May 2021

The Democrats are the only adults left in room to protect the last gasps of Democracy. Its time we realized it and acted like it.

kacekwl

(9,147 posts)
38. I so agree. I hope this little bipartisanship show
Tue May 18, 2021, 05:21 PM
May 2021

is just that and the majority isn't handed back on a gold platter. Please I couldn't take it again.

BigmanPigman

(55,137 posts)
39. THIS has been constantly in th back of my mind
Tue May 18, 2021, 05:21 PM
May 2021

and a knot in my stomach. It is keeping me from being too thrilled with all the good that Biden is doing. I know how quickly and easily it will be changed if the GQP continues on this course.

MuseRider

(35,176 posts)
41. I hated him for so long
Tue May 18, 2021, 05:56 PM
May 2021

and came to understand that right now, in the here and now he is with us and maybe ONLY now. We have to save our country and he knows it. We will never be on the same side again after that likely but we have to stick together and do this thing.

He has a way of being the smartest, meanest guy in the room and he loves that it seems. I believe he needs to be listened to. After all, the last time I heard him talk about this he said, he should know he made much of this possible. I do believe he never saw the cultist in the rear view mirror though. He is as upset about this as we are.

I have listened to him, been back and forth and am willing, myself, to say we need to get meaner than they are and take them down screaming all the way. I am frankly quite sick and tired of supporting go along to get alongers. If they do not see what they have done now then we have to make them see or we are done. I am ready to see a little screaming in pain from the other side, ready to do a mighty fist pump and they, finally they lose what they held dear.

I am old, I do not want to see this happen to our country but I really do not want to leave my kids dealing with this because we were too weak and uncertain to fucking take care of things.

peggysue2

(12,533 posts)
43. This x 1000
Tue May 18, 2021, 06:06 PM
May 2021

Wilson is right. Wilson knows how these people operate bc until quite recently? He was one of them.

The last thing the GOP wants is an investigation into January 6th, an investigation that will demand all relevant participants to testify under oath. That includes McCarthy; Liz Cheney said as much. Not so surprising that the very next day McCarthy nixes the whole deal.

The Democratic Party is the governing party, the pro-democracy party. We have great ideas and policies to go with them which would raise the American public up and out of the stagnant position so many find themselves in. But when it comes to elections, it's about the party who can churn emotions, make people excited.

Wilson's right--white papers will not save us.

Exposing the Republicans for who and what they are and have become will be crucial in 2022 & 2024. The GOP has decided authoritarianism is on the menu. Loyalty to Dear Leader has taken precedence over the rule of law. Republicans decided to follow a corrupt, incompetent, willfully ignorant man bc they think that's the way they win and win big.

They must be defeated, everywhere.

Etherealoc1

(275 posts)
50. Again, the Republicans
Tue May 18, 2021, 07:34 PM
May 2021

make their demands, the Democrats
agree and then the Republicans
vote against it.

Rinse and repeat.



betsuni

(29,078 posts)
69. Ironic that now Wilson is being a little mean to Democrats, he's okay.
Wed May 19, 2021, 07:16 AM
May 2021

Used to be, oh he's Republican and very very bad and horrible forever,

SledDriver

(2,122 posts)
71. That last line is haunting
Wed May 19, 2021, 09:26 AM
May 2021

But when Speaker Greene takes office, let me know how that bipartisan circle jerk worked out for you.

sarchasm

(1,309 posts)
75. One thing's for certain, this shit won't stop if we don't win more control in state legislatures.
Wed May 19, 2021, 10:59 AM
May 2021

BobTheSubgenius

(12,217 posts)
76. There are all kinds of places where one could draw their line in the sand.
Wed May 19, 2021, 11:53 AM
May 2021

The relative strengths and perispacity of the two parties is clearly not an absolute. Rick Wilson is just staking his claim a little wider of center than others. He's not completely wrong, by a long shot.

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