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1/ Of *course* Qevin McCarthy opposes a bipartisan January 6th Commission.
If the Democrats have the stones to pull it off -- an open question, TBH -- it will make Benghazi look like a sewing circle.
2/ They can't possibly look inside the reality of that day and maintain the Big Lie. They can't admit to the clear causality of Trump unleashing his mob. It opens them to personal, moral, and political liability for that day.
3/ More important in their minds is something darker.
They see the majority in their grasp, and just as they did in the states this year, they'll strike quickly, mercilessly, and without a moment of hesitation of a scintilla of shame to make the next election the last.
4/ For them, the problem wasn't an attack on our republic and a democratic election. For Kevin and Co, the problem was that it didn't work the first time. They need the shock and awe, the spectacle, the Trumphadi terror threat out there.
5/ This zero-sum game of power/not-power is what the Democrats never, ever, ever grasp. This year in the states, the GOP -- directed and assisted by Heritage Action -- has passed sweeping voter restrictions.
Democrats couldn't mount a response. They played defense.
6/ Even now, too many think policy will save them. "But our climate plan" or "but our control gun plan" or "but our daycare plan" isn't politics. It's masturbation.
The bad guys are willing to send people to kill you and you respond with a white paper? GTFO.
7/ This is why the Democrats should stop negotiation over a January 6th commission and just freaking DO it.
Do you think some kind of bipartisan comity and goodwill will be lost somehow? THEY SENT PEOPLE TO KILL YOU. Get a goddamned grip.
Play offense. Drag them.
8/ Here's what you don't get; the Trump GOP as comprised today isn't stupid. It's evil. They're smart. They'll play to your goodwill and instinct for a bipartisan veneer on the Jan 6th issue.
They're conning you.
9/ Stop fucking around. Announce the panel. START.
Don't delay. Time is fleeting, and 2022 is roaring into position. You need to nationalize the election over, you know, the little things like whether it's ok to send a violent, armed mob to the Capitol to overthrow an election.
10/ Washington is a city desperate for an illusion of normalcy and old-school transactional politics. The 2022 election will be defined by someone, very soon. If you want it to be about Antifaaaaaaaaaaaaa and BLM and imaginary conspiracy horseshit, keep on delaying.
11/ But when Speaker Greene takes office, let me know how that bipartisan circle jerk worked out for you.
12/ done
Beetwasher.
(3,178 posts)qazplm135
(7,654 posts)if they are so brutal and clever and evil then how is a fucking commission going to stop them?
Dem led commission determines Trumpers and Trump were responsible for the events of 1/6.
Anyone capable of being persuaded of that is already at the "no duh" point. Anyone not, isn't.
This is just more of the silly "Republicans are smart but evil, Democrats are good but dumb" baloney.
If they were so smart, how come they got so little accomplished with two years of absolutely complete control? They got a tax cut and another seat advantage on the Supreme Court. That's basically it.
But now I'm supposed to operate that this same gang is one election away from complete and total dominance forever and ever?
Yeah, sorry no. There are still more Dems and Dem leaners than Reps and Rep leaners in enough places to keep a hold of at least some parts of control.
hadEnuf
(3,616 posts)Just the fact that they are even willing to go as far as to offer ANY sort of justifications for 1/6 and expect to get some traction from it shows there is a serious problem out there.
We should be watching special reports on the sentencing phases of Trump and his insurrectionist coup players, but instead we are talking about whether they were fucking "tourists" or not.
This is ALL about power and these bastards will stop at nothing to get it, so we can and should expect more 1/6 type antics.
There needs to be a commission that makes clear exactly what happened and who is responsible for it so that everyone knows, except for the those who either support it or are totally delusional. Anything less will be spun and spun until it doesn't even make sense anymore. That's what the Trump GOP does.
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)as if one thing or one short period of time will solve everything is silly.
This is a generations long marathon. They are going to win some, we are going to win some, and the goal is to end up moving the ball down the field to mix sports metaphors.
Too many folks on the left demand a knock out blow and when they don't get it, they give up.
The side you are talking about have been playing the long game, for a long time.
But do I think a commission that says the obvious, run by one side, will move any balls or change any minds? No.
The best path forward is to pour every dollar into identifying our base, growing our base, getting our base registered to vote, and then turning out our base. Every effort, time, and energy that's not in actual governing should go to that.
greblach
(294 posts)Need to make sure voting processes being changed to allow Republican legislators to over rule the vote
are prohibited...We need HR 1
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)It would be great if it did, it's not. Not before 2022.
So folks need to stop saying we need HR 1 or else we lose, and start saying, how can we win even with these laws standing for now?
Celerity
(54,408 posts)More suppression laws will be passed at every level from state level (but affecting federal elections as well) on down. Also the partisan gerrymandering will occur at every level from federal districts on down. Plus we lost seats during the post 2020 Census reapportionment. Even with HR 1 and the John Lewis Act passed, the House is likely gone. Without them, is is likely a Red wave and the Senate is in jeopardy.
Before any of this all, 2022 was shaping up as the Rethugs having around 15 to 20 fewer at-risk House seats than us. Now that is likely closer to 30 less for them.
We have 4 at-risk Senate seats, and 3 are in Rethug Trifecta states that will slam in suppression laws:
Georgia - Warnock
Nevada - Catherine Cortez Masto (Brian Sandoval would be the toughest Rethug to beat, he has said no so far at least)
New Hampshire - Maggie Hassan (her two strongest opponents would probably be Former Senator Kelly Ayotte and especially Governor Sununu, the Rethugs flipped BOTH the State Senate and the State House in 2020 and now hold a Trifecta)
Arizona - Mark Kelly
Vermont - a wild card if Leahy retires and the very popular Rethug Gov Phil Scott runs, although he might go Angus King route, and run as an Indie and caucus with us if he wins
In contrast, wishful projections aside (no we are not going to beat Rand Paul in KY, nor win MO, IN, etc, and FL is going to be hella hard, as is OH, even with Portman retiring)
we have 3 pickup possibilities that are in actual play and not huge stretches
Pennsylvania Open Seat (our best hope) Fetterman is by far our best shot so, IMHO
North Carolina Open Seat (Cheri Beasley is looking more and more like the Dem frontrunner, plus Jeff Jackson is in the mix too) massive wildcard is Lara Trump
Wisconsin Ron Johnson (asshat deluxe, I fucking hate this clown, hope he doesn't run) Mandela Barnes would help drive the most key voters (and the hardest group to get to turn out) in the state, the blacks in Milwaukee (and to a lesser extent, Madison)
the odds of us, as it is a first midterm, plus the voter suppression. gaining a net +2 (so Manchin and Sinema are neutered) are lower than us ending up at 50-50 again or even a net -1, as I think we are in real trouble in all 4 of those seats we have to defend, 2 for sure (AZ is the best for us, then NV) and the only of of the 3 truly possible pickups I feel ok about is PA, with NC a bit less, and WI the hardest, even if asshat Putin shill Johnson runs. WI is so fucking corrupt, as is NC, thank fuck we have Dem Gov in each, although WI has so hamstrung Evers.
Gun to my head atm, I think we lose GA (worst nightmare would be if that idiot yank football player, Herschel Walker runs and beats Warnock as he will draw some black votes I fear simply do to his legendary status) and NH (especially if Sununu runs, and also because of NH Rethugs on a real roll there, a trifecta and can supress now), gain PA, fail to flip in WI, so it comes down to NC to maintain control at 50-50. If Lara Trump runs there, the former guy will drive the QMAGAts to the polls for her, so it will be a shitshow and get really racially nasty, as Beasley is African American.
PA, GA, and NH are the key races to watch. If we lose them all, it could be a long night, a long bad one.
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)Of voter suppression for generations.
I have no idea why people are deciding now is the time it's somehow going to be impossible.
Celerity
(54,408 posts)The Rethugs are FULLY invested in this to levels unseen since Dixiecrat days.
Sorry, I do not do normalcy bias nor wishful projections. I try to give as accurate results with my analysis as I possibly can.
That said, let me ask you point blank:
Will we keep the House in 2022?
If so, what is your range of seats.
If you think we will lose the House, then what is your range?
And the same for the Senate.
I already gave you my Senate projections.
I think we lose a net 25 (I was on 20 pre reapportionment) seats in the House.
So (give or take 5ish)
197 Dems
238 Rethugs
Those numbers are subject to change depending on what voters rights bills are or are not passed.
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)Neither do you.
Historically we lose the House regardless of voter suppression at the two year mark, but we lost a lot of red seats in 2020, and if voters give us credit for a strong economy and the pandemic ending, assuming that's the reality in 2022, then we could hold.
Same goes for the Senate where they have more to defend than we do. Or, any number of things could happen to lose both Houses.
You can throw out whatever estimate you want, you don't have any special knowledge or access to declare it all lost. It's a prediction, which is one of many at this point.
Any number of things can happen to change the environment for good or bad nationally or in a specific race. I'm pretty sure you nor I predicted Doug Jones would be facing off with a child predator and would actually win 18 months out.
So I really don't care if you want to belittle me as being naive because I think we should continue to fight and I don't believe anything is lost or impossible. I do care that folks with that mindset of it's all over depress turnout and create a self-fulfilling prophecy.
It's not all over, we can win, but it will take everything we have, so get on board or step aside so the rest of us can get to work.
Celerity
(54,408 posts)Obviously there a thousand shoes yet to drop, but my positings are hardly some flippant number toss out. I do a lot of research and put in some hard hours drilling down to a fairly granular level, including going through all 435 House seats and dividing them up in terms of risk/reward. Part of this is due to certain areas in which I do risk/SWOT analysis (including political) for my firm, and also for my post grad work. There is a fortuitous convergence/overlap involving my professional life, my academic pursuits, and my time spent interacting on this board.
onlyadream
(2,248 posts)For your research and breaking it down for us. Math doesnt lie and we need to know the facts. I remember many on DU hanging their hats on Muller. I guess were an optimistic lot. But this is no game, and being realistic is paramount to identifying a way to combat the GOP.
Celerity
(54,408 posts)qazplm135
(7,654 posts)Have done similar work and come to various other conclusions and this kind of snapshot in time with almost no polling done before many races even have candidates is not particularly accurate.
You know if it's the summer of 2022 and there is polling and we have things more locked in then I'll start to listen or consider what our chances are or aren't.
But all the hard work you say you are doing does a disservice this far out when it works to dissuade people from voting.
What's the point of any of this then if I am to take things at face value you assert?
Why vote? Why donate? Why participate at all? Why convince others to vote like I did last time?
After all, HR 1 isn't passing, so the "reality" you propose is we lose. So why should black folks stand in line for hours this time around? Why should I waste my money donating to candidates when I can save it or donate it to charity?
There's quite a difference between saying, boy we are underdogs and this is going to be tough, and, we are going to lose.
Celerity
(54,408 posts)people happy. That would be extraordinarily disingenuous and misleading of me to do so. I still have hope Manchin caves on the voter's bills, but time will tell.
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)"how can we win?"
If you wanna post, it's tough, we could lose, feel free.
But this whole we can't win bullshit is bullshit. Were you predicting we'd win both GA Senate seats at this point before those races?
Celerity
(54,408 posts)
see the quote marks in my subject line
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)That basically answered the question with, we can't.
But clearly you've factored in all the variables, like the Supreme Court destroying Roe before the election. That couldn't possibly change anything. No, you've run the numbers 18 months before the election. Just like when you predicted we'd win both GA seats 18 months before that election. I remember it well.
You win, I'm done participating. No point. We're going to lose. I'll spend my time and money elsewhere and sit election day out.
HR 1 isn't passing so why waste the time? Why donate, you and others are clear we can't win and democracy is over. So might as well move on now.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,236 posts)The Dixiecrats created and enforced Jim Crow 1.0, ensuring Dems dominated the south, so Dems were not winning for generations despite voter suppression, they were winning BECAUSE of them.
Now the voter suppression efforts favor the other party, and without HR1, we will see the same kind of dominance the Dixiecrats had from the 40s-60s.
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)Voter suppression has been this intense the entire time but you win, no voting or participating from me, there's no point after all.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,236 posts)Your statement voter suppression has been this intense the entire time is completely and verifiably false.
Voter suppression decreased significantly after the VRA was passed in 1965. Thats why there were so many POC elected to office after 1965 compared to before the VRA.
Once SCOTUS overturned the VRA in 2013, we saw a gradual return to old voter suppression strategies, but 2021 has been an unprecedented year for voter suppression legislation [/i, with at least 343 passed or pending laws in 45 states.
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)No more voting for me. It's pointless. You win.
hadEnuf
(3,616 posts)But we have been trailing behind and constantly playing defense while the other side has come very close to getting some knockout blows.
We had the Benghazi commission that was run by one side 10 times to the point of absolute absurdity that repeatedly came up with the obvious answer. But then that led to emails, and then to something else, and then to Anthony Weiner and then to James Comey a few weeks before the 2016 election.... And along with foreign internet troll farms interfering with the election and 24/7 propaganda? Yeah, that moved some balls and changed some minds and we got the unmitigated disaster to democracy called Trump installed.
The other side does not play by the rules and we need to get that through our collective heads.
The GOP often obscures reality successfully, or at least enough to sow viable doubts, so yes we need a REAL 1/6 commission that leaves no doubt as to what happened and who was responsible and we need to ram it home again and again and again. And we need criminal charges brought, otherwise we are fools who will simply be bowled over at the next attempt to seize power.
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)We won it all in 2020. How are we trailing behind?
hadEnuf
(3,616 posts)And that the purveyors a nearly successful violent coup of the US government are still walking around laughing about it while everybody talks about "tourists".
That's part of how we are trailing behind. The rest is allowing this stuff to manifest over the last few decades.
We need to fight this war on two fronts: Fix America from the damage of Trump and to prevent it from ever happening again.
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)Some of us are over here cowering that it's all over.
So yeah they are working, be nice if we were too.
hadEnuf
(3,616 posts)And our side needs to be aggressively fighting on all fronts.
KPN
(17,377 posts)He is right and not wrong about that.
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)2022 is not going to be about Antifa or BLM for the majority of voters. For their side, EVERY election is going to be about stuff like that no matter what we do.
We need to stop being so concerned about what they are doing, and start focusing on what we are doing. To turnout our base, to overcome voter suppression, to register our voters, to get them to the polls, to get quality candidates everywhere and contest every election.
If we did nothing but that, I really don't care what the other side does or tries to do.
KPN
(17,377 posts)traitorous bastards. Give then no room. Put them constantly in the publics eye on the defensive over shit they cant possibly defend. We need to Benghazi them, only with real issues. There is zero ability to defend January 6th zero. We need to go for the jugular and not worry one iota that theyll label it as political. The evidence is overwhelming. The truth is undeniable. Time to stop worrying about being criticized and stand for the truth.
Their side is fine with Jan 6th.
Our side isn't.
There is no jugular or knock out blow, there's just the slow grind.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Trump had to do his own shenanigans to even START it. And THAT was his #1 topic he ran on! The constant bickering of the Freedom Caucus & the rest of the party doomed almost everything substantial
And they're shooting themselves in the foot right now too; being unable to remove their lips from trumps ass
Cosmocat
(15,424 posts)He is 100% not wrong.
usaf-vet
(7,811 posts)Texin
(2,851 posts)Unless the match is lost and the Dems seize the rest of the chess pieces.
lame54
(39,771 posts)Everybody is cheering the repugs destroying themselves
Not the case - they are maneuvering for a 2022 takeover of both the house and senate
Our poor midterm turnout tradition may do us in
. . . and our primary habits may hurt
Texin
(2,851 posts)There will NEVER be another democratically-held election* thereafter.
OhioChick
(23,218 posts)Lovie777
(22,983 posts)Salviati
(6,059 posts)... will they take the rest of the country down in their self immolation.
And the answer is, they will if we let them.
KPN
(17,377 posts)of a long passed congressional culture equate to letting them. We need to bludgeon them with our majority power - now or never. Start the commission with or without them - now, not a month or two or three from now.
FoxNewsSucks
(11,704 posts)We aren't that lucky. Power is being seized. Liz Cheney is only speaking out because it's not HER and her associates doing the seizing.
Republiqons are happy to let Americans think they're self-destructing. It just provides a distraction until it is too late.
airmid
(526 posts)2naSalit
(102,793 posts)And we had better be prepared.
Beartracks
(14,591 posts)alwaysinasnit
(5,624 posts)Cha
(319,076 posts)Always go on the Offense with the Worst case Scenario if they got in Power.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)It only matters if Manchin and Sinema agree.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,236 posts)Now on voting rights legislation, the survival of American Democracy rests in their hands.
Lonestarblue
(13,480 posts)Thats a start, but we need S1 to get rid of gerrymandering and to negate many of the voter nullification laws Republicans are passing. What I fear is that S1 does not pass and Republicans gerrymander their states to ensure picking up House seats in 2022. Im remembering the bragging from a week ago of someone, a woman, that her organization had written the Republican laws to stand up to court challenges, probably including a Supreme Court that is no longer friendly to voting rights.
Democrats cannot rely on the courts to mitigate the worst of these anti-voting laws. The only actual hope I see is S1, and so far Senator Manchin refuses to budge. Time is really of the essence. Even if Manchin eventually gives up on Republicans, if they wait until next year to pass it Republicans will have had time to redraw their districts and friendly judges will rule that the new ones have to be used for 2022 because theres no time to change them before the election. Manchin is playing with fire here, and I just wish he would give up on bipartisanship because Republicans certainly have no interest in doing anything that prevents them from rigging elections or simply overturning the will of the voters when Republicans lose.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,236 posts)HR1/S1 must pass, or we're fucked.
Elessar Zappa
(16,385 posts)being passed. If we say were fucked, then everyone will stay home and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)So move on and start working on plan B instead of rolling over and saying we're fucked.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,236 posts)You seem to want to give up on HR1 just as the fight is beginning.
The fight isnt in November 2022- that will be too late.
The fight is NOW, and all summer long, in the streets of WV and AZ.
Watch this video for info on the campaign to bring pressure to democracy-hesitant senators:
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)We have a much better chance of working hard and winning in 2022 then of convincing Manchin and Sinema to use reconciliation in spite of the inevitable parliamentarian ruling against it.
But fight for it all you want, I didn't say jack about not fighting for it.
Tell you what, I'll do whatever you want me to do on HR 1 if you stop the defeatist bullshit on "the end of democracy."
Fiendish Thingy
(23,236 posts)They have all stated that without passage of HR1, Dems stand to lose their majorities for a decade or longer. Many of them, and others, have said the future of American Democracy depends on passage of HR1. Its not something I made up in a panicked, pearl-clutching moment.
I never suggested, nor have I heard anyone suggest, using reconciliation to pass HR1. It would have to pass by Schumer executing the Nuclear Option to bypass the filibuster rule, and then for Manchin and Sinema to vote to modify the rule to pass HR1/S1.
If HR1 doesnt pass by this fall, the GOP will gerrymander enough seats to take back the house before a single vote is cast.
That fact, combined with certain state legislatures empowering themselves to reject election results they disagree with, means the idea of working hard and winning in 2022 without passage of HR1 is a naive fantasy.
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)A naive fantasy that's never going to happen.
But you win, if HR 1 doesn't pass, I just won't vote or participate, what's the point?
Fiendish Thingy
(23,236 posts)Depending where they live.
100% Dem turnout in GA cannot save Warnocks seat if the GA legislature is allowed to fire and appoint election board members who will refuse to certify a Warnock win, allowing Kemp to fill the vacancy.
This same scenario is planned for states such as AZ, OH, FL and others.
100% Dem turnout in FL wont gain any seats if gerrymandering draws district lines so that no new district has a majority of Dem voters (5-6 districts expected to be drawn this way for 2022, which would give the House to the GOP).
The fight is NOW, not November 2022.
qazplm135
(7,654 posts)then why would I vote, if my vote won't count?
All the folks in GA should just avoid the lines then yes?
The fight is NOW and THEN too.
When HR1 doesn't pass, you're giving up right?
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Go scream at Manchin and Sinema.
They are the only ones literally stopping us.
Change their minds.
OnDoutside
(20,868 posts)JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)7/ This is why the Democrats should stop negotiation over a January 6th commission and just freaking DO it.
Do you think some kind of bipartisan comity and goodwill will be lost somehow? THEY SENT PEOPLE TO KILL YOU. Get a goddamned grip.
Play offense. Drag them.
8/ Here's what you don't get; the Trump GOP as comprised today isn't stupid. It's evil. They're smart. They'll play to your goodwill and instinct for a bipartisan veneer on the Jan 6th issue.
They're conning you.
9/ Stop fucking around. Announce the panel. START.
I'm at a space and place where I want my party in DC to take their majority decimate the GOP.
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)"Bipartisan" is a trap. There is no negotiating with those intent on replacing democracy with autocracy and who are willing to murder and destroy our seat of government to do so.
I've been screaming for a good long time. Carpe diem. Tempus fugit. The time is short to save the republic by claiming the power granted by the American people in November.
Fullduplexxx
(8,626 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(11,704 posts)Why do Democrats persist in playing pattycake with people who want them (and us) DEAD?????
God DAMN how can some not see this???
ezgoingrl
(1,223 posts)I think the last one will be midterms.
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)There is no bipartisanship possible with a party that wants to kill us.
RANDYWILDMAN
(3,163 posts)Biden need to take Machin in a backroom and give him some serious pork.
Come break the Philly-buster
Pass the voting rights act
Put like AOC in charge of the Jan 6th commision
Put whatever infrastructure bills we badly need
and shame the F out of all the R's for not doing anything for years !!!!
Autumn
(48,962 posts)Snackshack
(2,587 posts)Right- The Dems have wasted enough time trying to get some kind of bipartisanship out of the GOP. They are not going to do it. I swear watching Dems continually get suckered by the GOP is like the Peanuts cartoon where Lucy promises this time she will not pull the football right as Charlie Brown is about to kick it.
Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Schumer need to get bust an exercise every bit of authority they have too bad if it ruffles GOP feathers and start doing the things the voters put them in those positions to do... now.
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)soldierant
(9,354 posts)And yes, I realize we have a number of Democrats in office who are up in years, but the habit of looking forward keeps people young in spirit.
Whereas the habit of looking backward does the opposite. The only semblance of youth Republicans manage to have and keep is the impulsiveness. Besides that, they're all at least a hundred.
UCmeNdc
(9,655 posts)The GOP is lining the Democratic politicians up to roll over them. The Democratic politicians had better learn how to roll over the GOP soon.
world wide wally
(21,836 posts)to prove it......Duuuh
msfiddlestix
(8,178 posts)I do mean accurate to a T.
Our people in leadership should take this advice and run with it on the double, making up for lost time. Because it will be the last election we will ever see. Schumer and Pelosi , do you hear us?
Oh hell, their staff isn't reading us. What the hell was I thinking?
Oh well, there's a pity.
Mr. Sparkle
(3,710 posts)The Democrats are the only adults left in room to protect the last gasps of Democracy. Its time we realized it and acted like it.
WarGamer
(18,613 posts)kacekwl
(9,147 posts)is just that and the majority isn't handed back on a gold platter. Please I couldn't take it again.
BigmanPigman
(55,137 posts)and a knot in my stomach. It is keeping me from being too thrilled with all the good that Biden is doing. I know how quickly and easily it will be changed if the GQP continues on this course.
MuseRider
(35,176 posts)and came to understand that right now, in the here and now he is with us and maybe ONLY now. We have to save our country and he knows it. We will never be on the same side again after that likely but we have to stick together and do this thing.
He has a way of being the smartest, meanest guy in the room and he loves that it seems. I believe he needs to be listened to. After all, the last time I heard him talk about this he said, he should know he made much of this possible. I do believe he never saw the cultist in the rear view mirror though. He is as upset about this as we are.
I have listened to him, been back and forth and am willing, myself, to say we need to get meaner than they are and take them down screaming all the way. I am frankly quite sick and tired of supporting go along to get alongers. If they do not see what they have done now then we have to make them see or we are done. I am ready to see a little screaming in pain from the other side, ready to do a mighty fist pump and they, finally they lose what they held dear.
I am old, I do not want to see this happen to our country but I really do not want to leave my kids dealing with this because we were too weak and uncertain to fucking take care of things.
peggysue2
(12,533 posts)Wilson is right. Wilson knows how these people operate bc until quite recently? He was one of them.
The last thing the GOP wants is an investigation into January 6th, an investigation that will demand all relevant participants to testify under oath. That includes McCarthy; Liz Cheney said as much. Not so surprising that the very next day McCarthy nixes the whole deal.
The Democratic Party is the governing party, the pro-democracy party. We have great ideas and policies to go with them which would raise the American public up and out of the stagnant position so many find themselves in. But when it comes to elections, it's about the party who can churn emotions, make people excited.
Wilson's right--white papers will not save us.
Exposing the Republicans for who and what they are and have become will be crucial in 2022 & 2024. The GOP has decided authoritarianism is on the menu. Loyalty to Dear Leader has taken precedence over the rule of law. Republicans decided to follow a corrupt, incompetent, willfully ignorant man bc they think that's the way they win and win big.
They must be defeated, everywhere.
spanone
(141,615 posts)Etherealoc1
(275 posts)make their demands, the Democrats
agree and then the Republicans
vote against it.
Rinse and repeat.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)calimary
(90,021 posts)Imallin4Joe
(885 posts)orangecrush
(30,261 posts)Sadly, I don't think it will be heeded.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)Used to be, oh he's Republican and very very bad and horrible forever,
SledDriver
(2,122 posts)But when Speaker Greene takes office, let me know how that bipartisan circle jerk worked out for you.
kentuck
(115,406 posts)Democrats can't save them.
sarchasm
(1,309 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(12,217 posts)The relative strengths and perispacity of the two parties is clearly not an absolute. Rick Wilson is just staking his claim a little wider of center than others. He's not completely wrong, by a long shot.