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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Thu May 20, 2021, 09:38 AM May 2021

Nancy has made up her mind.

It is up to the Republicans. They can choose their poison.

They can have a fair and bi-partisan Commission, with equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans, to investigate the attack upon our Capitol...

Or they can have a Select Committee with a majority of Democrats calling witnesses just before the election next year?

If they were wise, they would choose a fair and balanced Commission over a Select Committee.

But they are not wise. They are scared. They are cowards. They are afraid of the truth.

But they get to make a decision. Chuck Schumer will bring it before the Senate, probably next week?

America is watching.

Nancy is giving them a chance to do the right thing. If they fail, she will move ahead without them.

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Nancy has made up her mind. (Original Post) kentuck May 2021 OP
K&R... spanone May 2021 #1
Exactly. gab13by13 May 2021 #2
A "Fair and Balanced" Committee Would be no Such Thing Beetwasher. May 2021 #3
It would be "Fair And Balanced" like Fux Noise lagomorph777 May 2021 #9
With even slight majorities, we always have unknown cards to play Hortensis May 2021 #28
Empty Greene has some spare time underpants May 2021 #4
Deliberated move by the Speaker - got to like her. empedocles May 2021 #5
I read an article that was persuasive on giving the investigation to the DOJ Arazi May 2021 #6
Something else for the Republicans to think about. kentuck May 2021 #7
DOJ absolutely should be investigating all the way up the chain of command. lagomorph777 May 2021 #11
Why not both? Midnightwalk May 2021 #14
because it is impossible to compel testimony dsc May 2021 #23
DOJ is already investigating and has started prosecutions StarfishSaver May 2021 #19
If it goes to the DOJ, something has to be written that ... aggiesal May 2021 #33
I respectfully disagree for a few reasons Raven123 May 2021 #34
If the president told the AG he wanted a full report including names on his Hotler May 2021 #8
That would politicize it bucolic_frolic May 2021 #17
I didn't vote for Joe to play nice. nt Hotler May 2021 #56
As always, she knows what she's doing. StarfishSaver May 2021 #10
Exactly, gab13by13 May 2021 #24
Yep StarfishSaver May 2021 #26
I admit I am not patient enough gab13by13 May 2021 #35
And if she asks Cheney or others from those 35 to join the Select Commission, the damn M$M will not Justice matters. May 2021 #52
Of course :) Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #49
"Move ahead without them" The sooner the better! The mid terms are right around the corner. Firestorm49 May 2021 #12
I was wondering about this Johnny2X2X May 2021 #13
They have power to issue subpoenas but limited power to enforce them StarfishSaver May 2021 #20
The ONLY reason 35 qgop congress critters voted with the Dems is they know it won't pass PortTack May 2021 #15
I hope it doesn't pass. The Dems gave too much away with the negotiations. Eyeball_Kid May 2021 #22
Republicans saw this and they are fine with it. We need to show America who supports America ... Botany May 2021 #16
If Republicans can have their AZ recount, Dems can certainly have a Congressional hearing. world wide wally May 2021 #18
Appoint Liz Cheney: She's more than ready to go after the Big-Lie co-conspirators... Justice matters. May 2021 #53
Schumer should demand a vote NOW. Why wait? Get the show on the road! Eyeball_Kid May 2021 #21
I would rather Schumer gab13by13 May 2021 #25
They have already said it .they'll say there's already several investigations Fullduplexxx May 2021 #44
Exactly!!!!!!!!! Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #50
K&R Blue Owl May 2021 #27
ReThugs have decided their best strategy is not to talk about that, keep pushing their lies GoodRaisin May 2021 #29
She'd better. Washington is a massive game of Chicken, played over and over. BobTheSubgenius May 2021 #30
the planned attack should be rightly called a coup d'etat CharleyDog May 2021 #31
Heads, Democrats win; tails, Republicans lose. Ilsa May 2021 #32
Don't wait, Madam Speaker. They've had MORE than enough time to decide calimary May 2021 #36
Completely Wrong zaj May 2021 #37
Exactly! kentuck May 2021 #39
They are also afraid of justice when the commission shows evidence of their complicity. ancianita May 2021 #38
The Republicans are scared shitless of Trump's mob lunatica May 2021 #40
The idiots are playing right into Nancy Pelosi's hands. I wonder how long it takes her to stop Vinca May 2021 #41
like a story by Camus DBoon May 2021 #42
S/B "can be making a decision" Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #51
Nancy Pelosi rocks! (I still chuckle at those who were opposed to her being Speaker.) NurseJackie May 2021 #43
So do I. Kath2 May 2021 #57
I think Nancy is a very patient and religious person.... kentuck May 2021 #58
100% agree, and I hope McConnell kills the current deal. OnDoutside May 2021 #45
These commissions all suck. I'd rather have a select committee anyway. BlueNProud May 2021 #46
Soon please. Joinfortmill May 2021 #47
Does anyone else ever wonder with horror dianaredwing May 2021 #48
Well... Mike Nelson May 2021 #54
Nancy Plays Three-Dimensional Chess While Mitch & Kevin Play Two-Dimensional Checkers... smb May 2021 #55

gab13by13

(21,427 posts)
2. Exactly.
Thu May 20, 2021, 09:46 AM
May 2021

..and Schumer needs to enforce the filibuster. Make Republicans stand on the floor of the Senate and explain why we shouldn't investigate an attack on our democracy.

Beetwasher.

(2,984 posts)
3. A "Fair and Balanced" Committee Would be no Such Thing
Thu May 20, 2021, 09:46 AM
May 2021

The Dem controlled majority committee WILL be fair and balanced. The other way would be a stonewall. But I get it, that should be the messaging for sure and of course, Nancy is outmaneuvering them brilliantly, again, as usual.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. With even slight majorities, we always have unknown cards to play
Thu May 20, 2021, 11:40 AM
May 2021

and apparently in various ways depending on how the situations flex. Wonder what else we're holding.

I've read that members of congress typically don't know most of the rules, much less have the ability to use them strategically in these very complex, ongoing, constantly changing situations. Very different skills set from those needed to craft agricultural legislation.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
6. I read an article that was persuasive on giving the investigation to the DOJ
Thu May 20, 2021, 09:52 AM
May 2021

Republicans wouldn't be able to (as easily) decry it as a partisan witch hunt since it's become obvious there are many culpable Republicans in the Jan 6th insurrection.

Dems tried to give Rs the chance to do the right thing. I hope Manchin and Sinema are paying attention

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
7. Something else for the Republicans to think about.
Thu May 20, 2021, 09:56 AM
May 2021

The DOJ investigating their actions and motives.

I don't think this is an easy vote for them, no matter what McConnell, McCarthy, or Trump might say.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
11. DOJ absolutely should be investigating all the way up the chain of command.
Thu May 20, 2021, 10:03 AM
May 2021

Whatever investigations Congress does, we need to make sure they don't screw up the critical prosecutions of people like Hawley, Boebert, Perjury Traitor Gangreene, and TЯUMP.

dsc

(52,169 posts)
23. because it is impossible to compel testimony
Thu May 20, 2021, 11:24 AM
May 2021

and have the DOJ still be able to prosecute those who were compelled to testify later.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
19. DOJ is already investigating and has started prosecutions
Thu May 20, 2021, 11:08 AM
May 2021

But they do criminal investigations for the purpose of bringing charges. Investigations by Congress or a commission have a different purpose.

aggiesal

(8,935 posts)
33. If it goes to the DOJ, something has to be written that ...
Thu May 20, 2021, 11:56 AM
May 2021

Congress gets an unredacted copy of the final report. Make it a law if we have to.

Dis-Barr taking the only copy of the final report and issuing a 4 page summary (written before the report was complete), broke all kinds of norms that occur in DC.

If the report comes out after the midterms, and heaven forbid the (R)'s take control of the House, they'll bury the report, without thinking twice.

Raven123

(4,878 posts)
34. I respectfully disagree for a few reasons
Thu May 20, 2021, 12:25 PM
May 2021

The GOP will call ANY investigation partisan.
A DOJ investigation may take a long time, and will be secret until completed
The backlog of uninvestigated criminal activity is likely overwhelming them. Not sure about adding another.
The focus of a commission isn’t identical to a criminal investigation. The GOP is right that there is a partisan element involved, and they know they are that element. Frankly i think the DOJ might not get to the heart of the driving forces.

Hotler

(11,447 posts)
8. If the president told the AG he wanted a full report including names on his
Thu May 20, 2021, 09:57 AM
May 2021

in 90-days he'd get it. All he has to do is order it.

bucolic_frolic

(43,346 posts)
17. That would politicize it
Thu May 20, 2021, 11:00 AM
May 2021

and President Biden has said he'll allow DOJ to apply the laws with no interference

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
10. As always, she knows what she's doing.
Thu May 20, 2021, 10:02 AM
May 2021

Folks need to stop assuming that if she's not saying it, she's not planning it.

gab13by13

(21,427 posts)
24. Exactly,
Thu May 20, 2021, 11:31 AM
May 2021

Speaker Pelosi surmised that the GQP would obstruct, now they can't say they weren't invited to the party.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
26. Yep
Thu May 20, 2021, 11:36 AM
May 2021

She had a win win situation. If they agreed to the commission, that would have been great. But if they don't she's got another plan that will also work to the country's and Democrats' advantage.

I don't know why people here assume that if Pelosi isn't telegraphing her strategy in real time, she doesn't have one.

gab13by13

(21,427 posts)
35. I admit I am not patient enough
Thu May 20, 2021, 12:31 PM
May 2021

when it comes to doling out justice to the criminals. The thing is, the MSM is not liberal, if Speaker Pelosi had done what Republicans did for Benghazi, the MSM would have crucified Democrats for doing partisan politics.

Democrats have the added benefit now of a bipartisan vote in the House, 35 Republicans is a bigger deal than it appears.

Justice matters.

(6,944 posts)
52. And if she asks Cheney or others from those 35 to join the Select Commission, the damn M$M will not
Fri May 21, 2021, 12:15 AM
May 2021
be able to call it "partisan" if she (or they) join in.

Johnny2X2X

(19,143 posts)
13. I was wondering about this
Thu May 20, 2021, 10:14 AM
May 2021

Dems can hold hearings without Republican approval. They can call witnesses, but can they have subpoena power?.

I was thinking this was all just a show for bipartisanship, but that the Dems control everything and they can hold just as many hearings on this as the Reps did on Benghazi.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
20. They have power to issue subpoenas but limited power to enforce them
Thu May 20, 2021, 11:10 AM
May 2021

Fortunately, unlike during the impeachment and oversight investigations, there's a Justice Department that will actually enforce the subpoenas issues by Congress.

PortTack

(32,803 posts)
15. The ONLY reason 35 qgop congress critters voted with the Dems is they know it won't pass
Thu May 20, 2021, 10:43 AM
May 2021

In the senate...

Just more showboating

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
22. I hope it doesn't pass. The Dems gave too much away with the negotiations.
Thu May 20, 2021, 11:17 AM
May 2021

Let the GOP vote it down, then the Dems will appoint a commission without GOP approval and without input. They don't deserve it. They'll always lie and they'll always claim victimhood if they don't get their way. Screw that.

Botany

(70,594 posts)
16. Republicans saw this and they are fine with it. We need to show America who supports America ...
Thu May 20, 2021, 10:59 AM
May 2021

... and who doesn't and crush them in the 2022 elections. Hang 1/6/21 around their necks.

world wide wally

(21,755 posts)
18. If Republicans can have their AZ recount, Dems can certainly have a Congressional hearing.
Thu May 20, 2021, 11:01 AM
May 2021

Just make sure we get subpoena powers and appoint one or two Republicans to serve on the commission. Then, fuck them.

Justice matters.

(6,944 posts)
53. Appoint Liz Cheney: She's more than ready to go after the Big-Lie co-conspirators...
Fri May 21, 2021, 12:22 AM
May 2021
1. The damn M$M won't be able to call it "partisan"

2. She will help in going after tRump's Big Lie and maybe question the maggot itself... under oath.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
21. Schumer should demand a vote NOW. Why wait? Get the show on the road!
Thu May 20, 2021, 11:14 AM
May 2021

Push the GOP into their wheelhouse: whatever Trump says.

Let them do it quickly so they can't think strategically. They haven't done so in over five years, why stop now?

Trump is a crazed dunderhead. Let the GOP follow him in every conceivable way. Then when Trumpy-Boy gets indicted and convicted, the GOP can follow him to his prison cell for more words of wisdom.

Giving the GOP until next week allows them a few days to re-group and consider their medium and long-term well-being. Don't let them, Chuck. Drive it home before Saturday.

gab13by13

(21,427 posts)
25. I would rather Schumer
Thu May 20, 2021, 11:34 AM
May 2021

enforce the filibuster, force them to stand on the floor of the Senate and explain why they are opposed to investigating an attack on our democracy. It would certainly be televised.

Fullduplexxx

(7,872 posts)
44. They have already said it .they'll say there's already several investigations
Thu May 20, 2021, 06:34 PM
May 2021

It biased ... it's too close to the election.. it's political theater etc.etc.

GoodRaisin

(8,930 posts)
29. ReThugs have decided their best strategy is not to talk about that, keep pushing their lies
Thu May 20, 2021, 11:41 AM
May 2021

to their base on Fox News, and make it more difficult to vote in democratic voting districts. That's it. So, of course Nancy will have to move ahead without them. America deserves an investigation and the truth and only one party will give them the truth. That's the unfortunate state of politics in our country right now. It's a dangerous time that an authoritarian movement is pushing with every lie they've got to take over our government.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,572 posts)
30. She'd better. Washington is a massive game of Chicken, played over and over.
Thu May 20, 2021, 11:47 AM
May 2021

If the Democrats blink this time, the QOP will know that they can get away with anything. They already think and act that way, but there's no reason to shout acquiescence from the rooftops.

CharleyDog

(758 posts)
31. the planned attack should be rightly called a coup d'etat
Thu May 20, 2021, 11:51 AM
May 2021

They planned it and co-ordinated it. We want to know the players. The congresspeople involved.
The mapped it out, knew WHEN to strike, where to go, had a guy with zip ties ready to lead out the
congresspeople to the gallows (for fear factor, or for real?). Some had guns in the capitol. They had other guns
stashed nearby. Bombs.

What more had been learned from the arrests and interrogations what we don't know. It will all come out. Obviously they are
afraid of their own culpability and the whole world can see through the mealy mouths.

They think this will be a bad "look" for the 2022 elections? Yeah, I hope so. If Americans don't think it's bad to stage a coup to overturn the election by force, and then by charade, we need to help them understand.

A lot of civic education needs doing.

Ilsa

(61,700 posts)
32. Heads, Democrats win; tails, Republicans lose.
Thu May 20, 2021, 11:56 AM
May 2021

A fair and bipartisan investigation will have results that make the GQP look bad. A select committee investigation, when it arrives at the same conclusion, will be described as a Democrat hatchett job, but at least the truth will be out there.

calimary

(81,523 posts)
36. Don't wait, Madam Speaker. They've had MORE than enough time to decide
Thu May 20, 2021, 12:33 PM
May 2021

whose side they’re on. America’s? Or donald’s? Either/or. CANNOT be both. And there’s no straddling the fence hoping it’ll be cute somehow and keep themselves out of trouble.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
37. Completely Wrong
Thu May 20, 2021, 01:15 PM
May 2021

The investigation will by fair either way because Dems believe in democracy, fairness, good government and the rule of law.

By forcing it to be a select committee the GOP scores a HUGE political win because it will be called a witch hunt. That's easier to do when politicians are running the investigation.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
39. Exactly!
Thu May 20, 2021, 01:34 PM
May 2021

No matter how fair or balanced it might be, the Repubs will portray it as nothing but politics and a witch hunt. That is why a Commission would be preferable. Sorry if I miscommunicated that.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
40. The Republicans are scared shitless of Trump's mob
Thu May 20, 2021, 03:16 PM
May 2021

That’s why he sent his mob to scare them. It worked too. Though he probably wanted to scare the Democrats, which, of course, didn’t work. The Republicans, starting with McConnell are peeing in their pants. Cowards!

Vinca

(50,314 posts)
41. The idiots are playing right into Nancy Pelosi's hands. I wonder how long it takes her to stop
Thu May 20, 2021, 03:19 PM
May 2021

laughing after she gets home for the night and reflects on the day.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
58. I think Nancy is a very patient and religious person....
Fri May 21, 2021, 09:27 AM
May 2021

...who looks to her faith for guidance.

dianaredwing

(406 posts)
48. Does anyone else ever wonder with horror
Thu May 20, 2021, 09:32 PM
May 2021

what kind of a mess we would have been in if Nancy hadn't been there for the past four years? Yikes.

Mike Nelson

(9,971 posts)
54. Well...
Fri May 21, 2021, 04:39 AM
May 2021

... simply put a couple of well-known, high-profile Republicans on the committee. Pick lower-profile, low-key but very effective Democrats. Time it properly, to play during the midterms. Nancy Pelosi is way ahead of Mitch and Kevin.

smb

(3,475 posts)
55. Nancy Plays Three-Dimensional Chess While Mitch & Kevin Play Two-Dimensional Checkers...
Fri May 21, 2021, 06:36 AM
May 2021

...and Wussolini plays One-Dimensional Tic-Tac-Toe.

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