McCarthy and McConnell Might Have Badly Miscalculated.

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The alternatives to a bipartisan Jan 6 commission could be far more damaging for the GOP.

McCarthy and McConnell Might Have Badly Miscalculated.
The alternatives to a bipartisan Jan 6 Commission could be far, far worse for the GOP.
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3:06 PM · May 20, 2021

https://statuskuo.substack.com/p/mccarthy-and-mcconnell-might-have

The GOP has a big political problem, and it knows it. Having initially agreed to defer to the House Committee on Homeland Security for the creation of a bipartisan commission to investigate the insurrection of January 6, Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy found himself backpedaling fast. He assumed the Democrats would never agree to the GOP’s demands, which included a requirement that any subpoena issued by the Commission receive approval by both the Chair and the Vice-Chair or a majority of votes from the evenly divided, 10-person Commission. He concluded that this would doom the notion of a bipartisan effort to get at the truth.

It turned out that the ranking GOP member of the committee, John Katko (R-NY), was able to reach quick agreement with Committee Chair Bennie Thompson (D-MS) on the formation of the Commission. As a bipartisan body, five commissioners, including the Chair, would be appointed by the Speaker of the House and Majority Leader of the Senate, while five commissioners, including the Vice Chair, would be appointed by the Minority Leaders of the House and Senate. Each commissioner would possess significant expertise in law enforcement, civil rights, civil liberties, privacy, intelligence, and cybersecurity. Current government officers or employees were prohibited from appointment.

The speed at which the deal came together appeared to surprise McCarthy. Indeed, it’s not clear what McCarthy’s thinking here was, given that Katko was one of the House members who joined the Democrats in voting to impeach the former president. (Perhaps in the spiritual chaos that currently consumes the GOP, McCarthy simply overlooked this fact.)

Meanwhile, McCarthy’s master, that same former president, began to rail against the Commission. “Republicans in the House and Senate should not approve the Democrat trap of the January 6 Commission,” he said in a statement on Monday night. “Republicans must get much tougher and much smarter, and stop being used by the Radical Left. Hopefully, Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy are listening!”

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[uponit7771]

1. K&R, ... only if the message about them regarding 1/6 is flooded on all outlets including FAUX

[underpants]

2. Aside from dancing for Trump's entertainment, I think they are counting on postCOVID summertime

Yes you and I will keep up with any committee but they are hoping the rest of the country doesn’t.

[liberalmuse]

3. They look like they are about to crap out a large turd.

Correction: a large ORANGE turd. I don't know that I've ever seen more miserable looking people than Republicans these days.

[lunatica]

4. Those two look invitingly sluggable!

Their faces scream “slap me!” In McConnell’s case it would be like slapping a balloon full of jello.

[Pinback]

11. "Invitingly sluggable"

You got that right! What a couple of hideous humanoids.

[Arazi]

5. I read this earlier and it's persuasive to me to throw this to the DOJ

WHEN the vote fails in the Senate

[StarfishSaver]

16. This isn't within DOJ's jurisdiction

They don't conduct the kind of wide-ranging investigation a committee or commission would do. DOJ is already doing what it has the authority to do - investigating, arresting and prosecuting the wrongdoers. But we need a committee or commission to dig deep into what happened, why and how to prevent it in the future. That's not a DOJ function.

[Midnightwalk]

27. Is it better to not subpoena?

In another post in this topic, I was told one reason to have the DoJ go first is compelling testimony in Congress could make prevent using that in a later criminal case.

I wonder if that played into the negotiations. Cooperative witnesses will testify. Yelling at McCarthy could be fun.

I wonder if the people they would subpoena are the people most likely to be subject to a DoJ investigation. At least mostly.

I’m probably wrong but Pelosi doesn’t do this stuff casually

[StarfishSaver]

29. If someone is subpoenaed to testify but is under criminal investigation, they can and would likely

plead the Fifth Amendment.

But you're right - you can bet that Pelosi, Schumer and their teams are analyzing every single possible angle and when they make their move, it will be the best one.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

34. Oh I'm sure they are

[Grasswire2]

37. Okay, take it directly to DoJ for charging, grand jury, trial, sentencings.

Skip the middle man.

It took Chairman Nadler six months to get Barr to comply with subpoena.

And a commission would only end up a circus.

So set aside any hope for comity, bipartisanship, cooperation, and bring the fear of justice directly to the insurrectionists with shock and awe. Post haste.

[StarfishSaver]

39. WHAT are you talking about?!

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No one just "takes it to the DoJ for charging, grand jury, trial, sentencings."

Why don't you just let DOJ and Congress do their jobs instead of sitting on the sidelines barking instructions at them.

[Champp]

6. Put the republiQon McLiars on the hot seat under OATH

Then lock their treasonous, grifting, lying asses up. It's the just thing to do.

[global1]

7. The Vote Didn't Fail In The Senate Yet - McConnell Could Still....

allow the vote to go through.

[OnDoutside]

8. Any idea when the vote will be taken ?

[Volaris]

24. What 10 republican senators are going to vote yes on the record for that,

WITHOUT McConnells explicit and public support for them to do so?

Not-e-fucking-nough.

Maybe you could get Mittens and Lisa; 8 more?
No dice.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

35. Would be a great time to see them truly filibuster not having a commission. They

would look so effin ridiculous

[global1]

36. I Reacted To The OP That Said That McCarthy & McConnell Badly Miscalculated.....

If McConnell really feels that he badly miscalculated - he's got time before the vote to change his mind and get at least 10 Repugs to support voting for it when it comes up in the Senate.

Stranger things have happened.

[True Blue American]

42. You mean all those

Duly elected Senators are afraid of Mitch who could knock him over with a feather? All those big macho men and fragile little women Senators are afraid of the orange hop toad?

[ffr]

9. Fixed the title. Treason comes with a high price to pay.

When you lie and you're caught in that lie and you double down on the lie, triple down on the lie and so on, you're only making it worse on yourself.

The QOP has no credibility. Flush them all down the toilet. I don't car what comes from their mouths, just what comes from our mouths.

[OMGWTF]

10. "Democrat trap"

Fuck you Traitor Tot; there is no such thing as the Democrat party you malignant misanthrope.

[gordianot]

14. It could well be a Democratic Party trap.

That rock and the hard place.

[bdamomma]

32. I noticed

that too. Cretin thug, I hope NY Attorney General Office gets him good.

[11 Bravo]

12. Mitch looks like he just mistakenly trusted a fart.

[jalan48]

13. How will we enforce subpoenas?

[Captain Zero]

15. With the Capitol Police. The Capitol was attacked.

That will put a very fine point on the enforcement of subpoenas.

[StarfishSaver]

18. The U.S. Attorney will enforce the subpoenas, not Capitol Police

[StarfishSaver]

17. DOJ and the U.S. Attorney enforce Congressional subpoenas

Most people don't know that because the Trump/Barr DOJ didn't lift a finger to enforce subpoenas. But DOJ is back in the hands of people who will do their jobs, so Congressional subpoenas will be complied with or else.

[Volaris]

25. Well that would make for a nice change..

The howls from the wrong side will be lovely evening drinking music lol!

[StarfishSaver]

26. Definitely!

[Grasswire2]

38. Nor did Barr comply with a subpoena -- for SIX MONTHS.

Skip the whole process of Congressional investigation.

Go directly to prosecutions.

[StarfishSaver]

40. You don't seem to be aware that DOJ is already conducting investigations and prosecutions

Or that the point of Congressional or commission investigation is not to send people to jail but to determine what happened and how to prevent it in the future, which DOJ doesn't do.

[Grasswire2]

46. Let's put the horse before the cart.

Get the damned adjudication rolling. The time left to save the Republic is dwindling.

The investigation into Russian interference into the election could not even get the AG under oath for six months, and then was never fully released to the public. We still haven't seen testimonies that would inform the public "what happened and how to prevent it in the future".

And so your point is moot.

Do you think that a grand jury doesn't "determine what happened"?

[StarfishSaver]

47. You are making no sense whatever

And no, grand juries don't "determine what happened." They decide whether the U.S Attorney has presented sufficient evidence to support indictment of specific individuals.

[spanone]

19. they only calculated how much donald would love them if they did his bidding

and he wouldn't call them names

[ananda]

20. Well, if they're taking orders from Trump...

you know.....

[cilla4progress]

21. I guess that's

resting bitch face

[Ahpook]

23. Why protect Trump?

Do these idiots think he would have their back for anything? Its all about Trump in his warped mind, and they are to stupid to see it. He'd sell them out in a hot second if it saves his ass.

I simply don't understand the obsession with that guy. Maybe they are complicit in the Jan. 6 insurrection?

[budkin]

28. They are NOTHING without his supporters

They must embrace the big lie.

[bdamomma]

30. Oh

the best thing that could happen is to put this POS tRump in prison. Always spewing.

[BootinUp]

31. nice article there

That raised my spirits a bit.

[Cha]

33. lol.. ".. gop needs to get

“Republicans must get much tougher and much smarter, and stop being... " blah blah Blah.".

Much tougher & smarter like the treasonous fuckhead who can't even use twitter & FB 'cause he's so fucking smart.

How fucking stupid do you have to be to have a ring through your nose led around by Psycho orange?

[marble falls]

41. McCarthy and NcConnell can only delay the inevidable and as much as I truly enjoy ...

... watching their borderline panic mode, and even though there's no there's no endgame here for the GOP that works in their favor, it would be nice to get down to brass tacks as the insurrectionists are finally starting to be tried and sentenced.

[moondust]

43. The McCarnell Cover-up

may keep the two of them out of jail, but the Dem alternative may need a bigger paddy wagon.

Win-Win

[CrispyQ]

44. I cannot see what they object to with this body other than it is working with the dems.

As a bipartisan body, five commissioners, including the Chair, would be appointed by the Speaker of the House and Majority Leader of the Senate, while five commissioners, including the Vice Chair, would be appointed by the Minority Leaders of the House and Senate. Each commissioner would possess significant expertise in law enforcement, civil rights, civil liberties, privacy, intelligence, and cybersecurity. Current government officers or employees were prohibited from appointment.

The GOP is completely unreasonable. They haven't been acting in good faith for a very long time.

[Mike Nelson]

45. I think...

... Kevin's goose is cooked.