May I Humbly Bring Up A Proposal To The Group ???

[WillyT]

I almost did not post the post below because of the title, I Kinda Liked Mitt, Until I Lost My Job

DU Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021545316

And the reason why... is because my initial snark reflex went off and I thought something along the lines of, "Well read a newspaper once in awhile, or, So only when your job is lost to you start looking for help", and a thousand other nano-second knee-jerk reactions.

Operative word there is Jerk.

It took me a couple of minutes... and actually WATCHING the video... and I thought to myself...

Hey asshole... this woman just learned/found out in a few months, what many of us have known for decades! And ... this woman might have just decided to vote Democrat and/or BECOME a Democrat for the first time in her life.

What I'm suggesting is that she got a real life crash course in the political reality of our times. She did not necessarily have the opportunity to study for the test.

So...

Remember... that all newbies are not trolls...

And... whether newbie or not... people who are frightened about the possibility that Romney and the Moneyed Interests might be able to pull this thing out... are not necessarily Concern Trolls...

Hell... I'm worried, but I just keep plowing... FORWARD!

Finally... many new people, people that are young, people that have been hurt, abused, neglected, or any manner of reaseons... INCLUDING leaving the band of Looney-Toones that is now the current GOP... may just be looking for some REAL information.

And finally finally... remember that this place was founded for a whole lot of wounded Democrats and fellow travelers after the SCOTUS gave the Presidency to GWBush.

It should be a safe place for us, and those that want to join us.



And P.S.... WE NEED EVERY ONE OF THEM!

[FogerRox]

1. A person new to the community may not understand the quirks

of the community to start.....

Yeah, all newbies are not trolls. And who the actual trolls are will become quite clear given time.

[librarylu]

2. Well said

I checked out DU because a poster on another forum said DU is "nothing but hate ". I didn't find it so and joined but I can see where those who are less seasoned than I am might run gibbering to the hills.

Just for the record, I LIKE AL GORE!

[WillyT]

3. And Welcome To DU librarylu !!!

Glad ta have ya aboard !

[underoath]

5. Welcome!

[fleur-de-lisa]

4. Good point!

[renie408]

6. I think we could probably just leave it at, "Every person that says something you don't...

like is not necessarily a troll."

I wrote a post not long after the debates voicing my frustration and got accused of being a troll. When I asked questions about Benghazi and said I thought that might blow into a significant story, I got accused of being a troll. I have been posting here off and on for over nine years, devote every spare dime and all the time I can to Obama and fight the good liberal fight every day down here in the deep South and would really appreciate being able to voice a concern or a doubt without being labeled a troll.

[uppityperson]

7. k&r

[Le Taz Hot]

8. Nicely put.

I tried to say something like this a couple of days ago and the thread was locked. Hopefully this will stay up because it needs to be said.

[niyad]

9. thank you for a very good reminder.

besides, I enjoy the trolls (well, the few who last more than a couple of minutes before I see them) because, as I said in another post, they give me something upon which to sharpen my nails.

[WillyT]

10. LOL !!!

Just make sure you sharpen those nails on the RIGHT ones.



I just assume everybody's legit... until they prove me wrong.

[niyad]

12. like you, I assume everyone is legit until proven otherwise, but there are a few. . .

interestingly, even though I live in a very red county, a lot of trolls seem to be keeping themselves to themselves--may have to use my kittehs' scratching posts.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. I wish I could recommend a brazilion

[WillyT]

13. That Reply Was Worth A Brazillion

[pscot]

39. You probably don't even know

any Brazilions.

[canuckledragger]

44. I got me a little Brazilian heritage

on my father's side, lol

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. In seriousness

Of my school mates in college was from Brasilia.

[tavalon]

14. Yup, we need a reminder once in a while that most of us came here as uninformed noobs.

I know I did.

[former-republican]

15. lets be honest , this hurts more American workers than what Bain capital has done

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/10/obama-signs-free-trade-bills/1

[Blanks]

53. Here we go again.

I'll guarantee you that more American jobs have been lost to automation than to trade agreements since NAFTA was signed. They throw a bunch of numbers out there for jobs lost due to trade agreements; how many jobs were lost because of more efficient centralization of products? (i.e. Walmart warehouses) How many jobs were lost because of database efficiency? How many programmer jobs were lost after the programs were written?

I'm all for following these trade agreements to make sure that they contain language that protects American workers, but every time I see one of these posts; it looks more like an attack on the president than a call to action.

If we really want to protect American jobs at all costs; are you in favor of stopping plants from automating?

I'm sure there's more to these trade agreements than meets the eye (which is probably why Obama has changed his position on it) but before I believe we've lost all these jobs to NAFTA; I'd want to see how they came up with the numbers. As it is; it just looks like they're just throwing numbers out there for the purpose of Clinton and Obama bashing.

[Enrique]

16. i liked Mitt at one point

what I knew of him was from RWers who hated him, and so I saw him as a moderate republican going against the conservatives in his party. Someone recently posted a video of him arguing with a real extremist about abortion, I thought he came out looking good, for a Republican. But that was from back in 2007, he has changed since then, or at least he has changed his positioning since then.

[JDPriestly]

31. Problem is, even if Romney is somewhat moderate on some issues, if he is elected

he will owe favors and jobs to right-wing Republicans like Ryan and his buddies. And having them in an administration would be disastrous for our country.

[Honeycombe8]

17. Yes. Some will not stomache anything but a cheerleader mentality, esp among newbies. nt

[Rhiannon12866]

18. All of us were new here once

And I've learned more than I can possibly express in over nine years. DU is a powerful resource for getting the facts and learning the truth.

[TxBluebonnetDem]

19. I am a newbie...

Though just a newbie to this site, I'm on Dkos and have been for quite a while...I've not posted as much as I've read because I do understand tis the season of the trolls--concerned or obnoxious, they are out there. But as the original poster said, some people are looking for info, or support or like my husband the recovering Republican, trying to find a place under the big tent with people who are a little more like minded then GOP after the birth of the Tea Party. It's a rough election that's for sure--Like everyone else I'm looking for info and when I can find it, peace of mind. Although the latter is often hard to come by at present! I do hope tomorrow night will settle some nerves and help us all concentrate on GOTV and moving..erm..Forward! ) Yeah I know..cheesey but it was there!

[defacto7]

21. Then...

Welcome to DU....

[RagAss]

29. Welcome to DU.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. Welcome to du

And don't worry, at times some of us ves have been called trolls too. It usually comes from low count to higher count, but still new, posters.

[dorkzilla]

20. Thank you from a non-trolling newbie!

Although, if I'm honest, I have been known to sit under a bridge from time to time. Mostly to get out of the rain.

[WillyT]

24. Welcome To DU dorkzilla !!!

Glad ta have ya aboard!

[Buddaman]

22. im new here also

LOTS of good info/people

[WillyT]

26. Welcome To DU Buddaman !!!

Glad ta have ya aboard!

[RagAss]

30. Welcome to DU.

[Jennicut]

23. Not all newbies are trolls and I welcome the new people here.

Elections always bring in new people and it is a good thing. The more enthusiasm the better. We can turn some of them into diehards just like us....even though we are a bit insane we do it all for the right reasons.

[hootinholler]

25. One correction Willy

We need everyone of US. Them is the teabaggers, when they come in they are US, big tent and all that.

Carry on.

[siligut]

32. You know when Mudcat came on to DU to stump for Wayne Powell

He said that the teabaggers where going to vote for Wayne, they hate Cantor as much as we do. So, there you go, sometimes the enemy of our enemy is our friend.

[SaveAmerica]

27. I agree! A lot of people are seeing DU pictures on Facebook and elsewhere

and are coming here to check out the place. I was looked at cross-eyed when I first got here so I know how it feels.

Really good advice!!

[WillyT]

28. Great Point !!! - We Have A Lot Bigger Footprint Than We Used To !!!

Thanks for that invaluable perspective.

[sheshe2]

33. Newbie too

Have loved reading comments on this site for a long time. Had to become part of this family.

[WillyT]

34. Welcome To DU sheshe2 !!!

Great to have you here.

[Cracklin Charlie]

35. I love this proposal!

I have seen a few people go through what these new people are going through. It's hard to lose your heroes, and sometimes it can be hard to lose them all at once like that. We should all try to be a little more tolerant of the newbies; we were all new at one time or another. There do seem to be a lot of new faces around, which I take as a very encouraging sign for the future. And damned if they aren't a pretty "fired up" bunch!

Welcome, all new DU members!

There is also the phenomenon of the "lurker"; a category that I fall into a lot, due to a serious lack of online time. Sometimes it's all I can do just to get all the headlines covered, much less post a pithy, intelligent comment. Thanks to all posters, for making sure I am staying informed!

[Loudestlib]

36. I love my big tent party

Long time lurker <>__<>

[WillyT]

38. Loudestlib... Welcome...

[Loudestlib]

40. Thanks!

[lalalu]

37. I couldn't care less about her.

If that makes me a mean person then so be it. Over the decades it has been people like her who ruined this country. If things were still going fine for her she would say screw other people not doing so well. If she were to get a decent paying job tomorrow she would vote for Romney.

Seriously, she is breaking down in tears because her daughter can't get dance lessons? We learned to dance by listening to music. and matching the moves on the Ed Sullivan Show. No lessons needed. She could probably catch dance lessons for her child on PBS or pick up a free DVD at the local library but she probably still doesn't support those "commie " programs.

I may be a wounded warrior but i am a warrior who has seen many battles. I know enough that this woman will vote republican as soon as things turn around for her.

[WillyT]

41. Well Yeah.. I Guess That Works... If You Don't Need Their Votes...

I doubt the Obama Campaign would agree.

And REALLY... Really...

You can look at that video and STILL come up with THAT conclusion ???

At least... You make my Point.

[lalalu]

43. Yes I can come to that conclusion

because over the years i have seen many people like her. I am not so sure she really will vote for President Obama but maybe she is down enough. I also know that when times get better for her, even if it is due to work by President Obama, she will go back to voting republican.

How do you think republicans have stayed in office and achieved so much power? It is because of people like her. They get kicked around by republicans, democrats come to their rescue, and the ingrates vote republicans back into office over some stupid social issues.

Time will prove my point.

[WillyT]

45. I Respect What You've Seen... Because I've Seen It Too... But...

You can win the arguement... and still lose the battle.

I... would use that video as a political ad... I think it's so effective.

[lalalu]

48. I actually hope you are right and I am wrong.

[spanone]

42. Yo Willy T !

recommended

[WillyT]

47. Thanks

[Rosa Luxemburg]

50. Many voters don't follow politics

they just hear soundbytes on TV until something like this comes along

[nolabear]

51. Well done. Thanks for your contributions to DU.

And I couldn't agree more.

[David Zephyr]

52. K&R. Thoughtful & important words.

This is a very good message and a check on our hearts. Wise on every dimension!

[Egalitarian Thug]

54. You're absolutely right and have also pointed out how we got this far through the looking glass.

They don't/won't see how screwed up something is until it effects them directly. I go through this all the time with the NWO economics advocates, whether it is, the great bankster heist, H-1(b)/L-1 visas, off-shoring, the 401-(k) scam, you name it, their position always boils down to "it's working well for me" or "it hasn't hurt me".

[WillyT]

55. Last Kick From Me...