What Joe Scum won't acknowledge

[malaise]

That every one of those conservative Reagan ideas that he believed in and still spews failed the American middle class and working class - urban and rural.

So please JoeScum - shut the fuck up about when ReTHUGs were the party of ideas.

[brooklynite]

1. Keep watching to find out if he does!

[TraceNC]

2. That "nickname" sounds like something Trump would call him.

[StarfishSaver]

37. Thank you

These nicknames just sound childish to me.

[grantcart]

61. Thank you.

[doc03]

3. Well he is right they were the party of ideas. Their policuies decimated unions and the

middle class that was their idea and it worked great for the top 10%.

[DownriverDem]

30. Remember when

repubs stood for less spending? They used to support the environment and women's rights including abortion. They were into compromise too. Then they went racist and sold their souls to the religious right for votes.

[doc03]

43. There was a bridge over I-70 near here that for decades had

"Vote White Vote Republican" on it. I think someone did it back when Nixon was president they replaced the bridge a few years ago.
They went full racist after the civil rights act and many Democrats switched Republican.

[Raster]

4. Thanks for bringing this up.... Raygun* was the beginning of the reactionary, rethuglican* party...

...there were no fresh ideas or innovations. There was fear, suspicion and elevation of passive/aggressive racism to an art form in American politics.

[wolfie001]

21. Reagan picked Philadelphia, Miss. to .....

....announce his 1980 run for the White House. Hot bed of KKK history past and present. That right their is a legacy/indictment on his character. He lied/misled the American people most of the time (made up the "Cadillac Queen" out of mere cloth/racism) and set the tone for the Repuke party since. Lie and obfuscate.

[KS Toronado]

59. Had a MAGAer mention all the Cadillac Queens recently

So I asked " You are aware the year Reagan brought up Cadillac Queens, our government gave more money
to Exxon Mobil than to everyone on unemployment? And here's a $100 bet if you'd like to prove me wrong!
Warm up that smart phone and get some smarts." To be honest, I don't know if that's true or not, but
republicans are afraid to look for truths. He didn't take the bet and he got real quiet.

[certainot]

25. raygun was remade and deified by limbaugh. without those 1500 radio stations excusing

him and bush and the rest of that criminal operation, attacking media and dem critics, and praising the old fart for 30 years we would have moved on long ago.

without limbaugh and spawn to worship that old dumbshit he would have been just a senile dumbshit who became president due to treasonous sabotage and interference in the election - paying the iranians to hold the hostages until after (i think it was the day after?) the election. and the dumbshit may never even have known what bush/cheney etc did.

reagan gets way too much credit for what has happened to the republican party and the US. even though he did kill the fairness doctrine in 87, paving the way for the monopoly that protected idiot rw radio liars like limbaugh and hannity and successive racist morans and 10 years later Fox, it was and is the victims of that incredibly successful fascist sex on the wrong brain propaganda operation that continue to ignore it that should now feel responsible.

[BobTheSubgenius]

57. The damnable thing is...they probably DO feel responsible, and are revelling in it.

I once saw a reporter ask Rupert Murdoch a question about his influence on the RW in general, and the GOP and their voters in particular, and he said "I only wish I could influence it more."

[Ligyron]

63. They announced the hostages were on a plane

Well do I remember...

Announced it right as he was being sworn in too.

I and others thought his cowboy tough talk had scared them into compliance when it turns out it was just money.

Learned a thing or two since then I have.

[2Gingersnaps]

38. He was also the first entertainment celebrity "President."

He had spent years reading the "conservative" script for General Electric, that military/industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about. He married that to the evangelical Christian movement that scared the living hell out of Barry Goldwater, and here we are. Trump was inevitable.

[dianaredwing]

41. Yup

He just picked up where McCarthy left off with a different vocabulary

[madaboutharry]

5. malaise, Why do you punish yourself?

It was interesting listening to his rants about the former guy. But now that the former guy isn’t president anymore, it’s just the same old conservative Joe.

Brianna Keilar is now on in the morning on CNN. So much better!

[FoxNewsSucks]

29. It is better

I used to switch between them and CNN, now it stays on CNN...

That was a good move on their part

[Vinca]

6. Well, they were the party of ideas. BAD ideas.

[czarjak]

7. They're acing just say no though?

[mopinko]

8. the ideas of the chicago boys.

they destroyed a lot of the rest of the world w those 'ideas'.

[malaise]

13. Tell me about it

We are victims

[mopinko]

20. everything they touched.

and they did a lot of grabbing.

[malaise]

14. Tell me about it

We are victims

[2naSalit]

22. +1

[ShazzieB]

36. Chicago boys?

Who are you talking about? Chicago is about as blue as it gets.

[mopinko]

40. milton freidman and the economists who came out of the university of chicago.

u of c isnt blue, it's maroon.

[ProfessorGAC]

46. 90% Of Their Economics Community...

...is so far into that end of the spectrum, they're infrared.
About 1 in 10 are demand side, power middle class types. They get drowned out by the Freidmanites!
I know around 20. 18 are run from Latter and to the right.
Two thinks Keynes was right about everything.
2 out of 20.
They all publish. Guess which published works get media attention.

[mopinko]

50. the perpetrators of the trickle down lie.

yup, yup, yup.

[Botany]

9. Joe Scar is not a good person

He made his bones helping to install w bush in bush v Gore post Florida 2000 election.

[malaise]

15. Too many have forgotten that

including the Australian journalist

[Lovie777]

10. He is a republican threw and threw .....

although he claims he switched to Indie. He thinks Ronald Reagan is the total greatest hero of all time.

Therefore, I will not watch his show.

[Maraya1969]

11. He would have to acknowledge that he never had any good ideas for the country.

There are plenty of X-GOP around. They just keep their mouths shut about what they once believed.

[katmondoo]

12. I turned him off, and just shut the TV down after a few minutes of his crappy nonsense

about what the Republicans should be like, Sara Palin, Newt Gingrich. Good God these Republicans are never going to change. They will drive this country to third world status if they have their way. Women will become chattels again.

[calimary]

16. "The party of ideas." LOL!!!

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Yeah. Right. Let’s consider some of those “ideas,” shall we?

Selfishness.
Deceit.
Hypocrisy.
Machiavellianism.
Greed.
Resentment.
Prejudice.
Intolerance.
Domination.
Short-sightedness.
Exclusion.
Hatred.
Segregation.
Cheating to win.
Willful ignorance.
Shameless pride in all of the above.

Just off the top of my head.

[malaise]

18. Nailed it

[PatSeg]

17. Scarborough and other mainstream republicans

still believe the myth of Reagan, a myth that barely resembles the real man, but was created to help sell their small government, low taxes ideas. Some of the smarter ones are beginning to realize that it was a sham all along, that the party increasingly made compromises to get back into power, until we ended up with Trump and his rabid base.

Scarborough spent so many years spewing the right-wing crap, he just can't let go of it entirely.

[malaise]

19. It was a sham all along

THIS

[ProfessorGAC]

47. And, The Government Never Got Smaller

It got larger, just in different spots.

[PatSeg]

67. Exactly

It was all a ruse all along, though there were some who believed the hype. Republicans care about winning first and foremost, by any means necessary.

[BradAllison]

23. Why does anyone watch that show?

Boomer couple quibbling at the breakfast table over who drives the Escalade this morning.

[Sherman A1]

24. A very valid question

one I have asked several times, but it seems to entertain some here, so to each their own I suppose.

[underpants]

31. On Mondays they have the funny English guy

from Men in Blazers (soccer show).

I think the appeal of Joe’s show is that it is sort of sitting around a coffee shop and talking. CNN is a much more formal traditional news cast. Fox ....eh.

I love your summary of it though. 😆

[brooklynite]

35. Why do people watch it? How else could you complain about it?

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[BradAllison]

45. Oh, I'd expect it's exactly the kind of show you'd love. n/m

[brooklynite]

48. I DO like the political coverage and the range of commentators they have...

...but if I didn't like it, I wouldn't watch it, so I wouldn't be able to complain about it.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

39. How do I

then come up with cute nicknames ?

[NewHendoLib]

26. the party of bad ideas

[Ferrets are Cool]

27. Thank you malaise. I have been fed up with the hero status given to Raygun for a LONG time

[ChrisF1961]

28. A party of bad ideas!

[Fla Dem]

32. +10,000

[Mike Nelson]

33. Well...

... Reagan didn't believe in those ideas, either! While I'm happy Joe & Mika rank on Trump mercilessly, now, I can't forget their 15 minute opening rants about Hillary's "missing emails".

[malaise]

65. They also gave Trump lots of air time

until he threatened to expose their affair

[moreland01]

34. Trickle Down

Even when trickle down economics are played out, if it's by a Dem they find all kinds of problems with it. This article in WAPO yesterday is the perfect example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/21/bidens-ev-tax-credits-redistribute-wealth-upward/

"Subsidies, including tax credits for purchasers, will fiddle the market by lowering EV (electric vehicle) prices enough to manufacture a demand sufficient to justify manufacturing the vehicles in quantities (such that middle-class people can buy them)"

A tax cut for the rich that ACTUALLY (eventually) trickles down a benefit for the middle-class is the basis for all of the right's trickle down policies. But they usually never trickle down any benefit on anyone but the already uber-rich.

George Will pummeling Biden for trickling down some benefit from the rich to the not-so-rich is so very rich.

[malaise]

42. Great post

[Dream Girl]

44. Why are you such a loyal viewer? You can't stand the guy. You don't have to watch it. Really.

Maybe read the newspaper or switch channels. Maybe “Fox & Friends”? I actually like the show. I know who and what Joe Scarborough. I enjoy the analysis and find the banter amusing. I don’t agree with Joe S. and I don’t expect him to change.

[malaise]

49. Someone needs to ask JoeScum to invite folks on his program

to critically review policies that he spewed and continues to spew.
He cannot be allowed to tell everyone what is wrong with their policies while failing to acknowledge the disaster that has been and is trickle down economics.

I don't have to explain to anyone why I watch or don't watch programs whether I love or hate the persons who anchor them. That said JoeScum is a two faced hypocrite and empirical evidence shows that trickle down economics is an abysmal failure - a scam to steal from everyone and give it to the rich; a scam to deny citizens the social good. Indeed it destroys society and turns everything into a for profit market place.

[Dream Girl]

51. He is a self describe "Reagan Conservative". I don't expect any better from him. Maybe lower your

expectations? Or reach out to him?

[malaise]

53. Reagan conservatism has failed

It's time to acknowledge it.

[XanaDUer2]

52. He was passing me off this morning

trying to make it sound that Democratic leadership on the vaccinations wasn't important. He's so full of shit

[malaise]

56. I saw your thread after I posted or I would have posted this there

I usually watch the opening and head for my walk but we're on complete lock down today - it's a public holiday and the idiots decided to deprive us of simple exercise.
He's a dishonest moron.

[BigDemVoter]

55. EXACTLY

I heard him lie through his pie hole not too long ago. He actually had the fucking nerve to claim that the repigs were just "trying to count all the votes in FL" when Bush stole the election.

[malaise]

60. Yep - don't plan to forget that

[bucolic_frolic]

58. I think him a weak deer-in-headlights cult worshipper who hasn't a clue about the truth of very much

His monologues wander, he can't speak fast enough to remain interesting much of the time.

Reagan was a cult too, created by Fundamentalism and leftover goons from the 1940s.

Am I better off than in 1980? No. A little Reagan was fine, like 2 years. That would have been enough. He wasn't up to it mentally, not the USSR, not the war on terrorists, not domestic policy, not aids and women and lgbtq's or whatever they were called back then.

Reagan was pushed on us by money and power. Dems were asleep by 1980. Parties in power a long time are like that.

[Evolve Dammit]

62. Agreed. Sanctimonious and a tad delusional.

[pansypoo53219]

64. hope trump killed zombie-reagan.

[Faux pas]

66. I

NEVER watch the effer, he's just a holier-than-thou pontificating egomaniac asshat.